1 00:00:04,798 --> 00:00:06,300 Hello, this is Peter Gould. 2 00:00:06,466 --> 00:00:10,053 This is episode 303, "Sunk Costs." 3 00:00:10,220 --> 00:00:12,347 Melissa Bernstein, executive producer. 4 00:00:12,514 --> 00:00:15,392 Hi, Gennifer Hutchison, writer and executive producer. 5 00:00:15,559 --> 00:00:17,144 John Shiban, director. 6 00:00:17,311 --> 00:00:18,729 Nina Jack, producer. 7 00:00:18,896 --> 00:00:20,814 Mark Johnson, executive producer. 8 00:00:21,565 --> 00:00:26,570 And this is this wonderful shoe teaser. 9 00:00:27,237 --> 00:00:29,865 Genny, what made you think of doing a...? 10 00:00:30,032 --> 00:00:33,493 Why are we doing a teaser with no dialogue with a bunch of trucks? 11 00:00:34,036 --> 00:00:36,538 We always really liked the idea of doing these more... 12 00:00:36,705 --> 00:00:39,166 imagistic, you know, mysterious teasers. 13 00:00:39,333 --> 00:00:41,627 We're always looking for opportunities to do that. 14 00:00:41,793 --> 00:00:45,881 And this just seemed like a really great one to kind of have this... 15 00:00:46,048 --> 00:00:50,010 flash-forward-y, you know, mysterious teaser. 16 00:00:50,177 --> 00:00:52,888 And we started talking about the shoe gag... 17 00:00:53,055 --> 00:00:55,891 and fell more and more in love with it as we went. 18 00:00:56,058 --> 00:00:57,517 I love this shot. 19 00:00:57,684 --> 00:01:00,395 Whose idea was it to put the camera up there? 20 00:01:00,562 --> 00:01:03,565 I'll take credit for that, thank you. 21 00:01:03,732 --> 00:01:06,109 You know, this location was... 22 00:01:06,276 --> 00:01:09,279 I was worried when I read the script. It's a specific location... 23 00:01:09,446 --> 00:01:14,076 with a T intersection and a hill where Mike could be. 24 00:01:14,243 --> 00:01:17,621 And when I got there, they said, "We found something that might work." 25 00:01:17,788 --> 00:01:20,999 And it was just around the corner from the studio, and it was perfect. 26 00:01:21,166 --> 00:01:23,877 It ended up being the easiest location for the episode. 27 00:01:24,044 --> 00:01:26,505 We were tearing our hair out when we were conceptualizing it. 28 00:01:26,672 --> 00:01:30,217 Like, "They're never gonna find this." And then they did, immediately. 29 00:01:30,384 --> 00:01:34,638 Robin Sweet, our producer, has developed a technique with me... 30 00:01:34,805 --> 00:01:37,891 where she shows me the location and I fall in love with it. 31 00:01:38,058 --> 00:01:40,811 I'm always worried, "Is this a long drive from the studio?" 32 00:01:40,978 --> 00:01:43,647 There's always laughter from Albuquerque. 33 00:01:45,983 --> 00:01:47,985 Because it's very close. 34 00:01:56,868 --> 00:02:00,163 And, of course, the titles each season change a little bit. 35 00:02:00,330 --> 00:02:03,333 See if you can figure out what's changed. 36 00:02:07,462 --> 00:02:09,464 And here we pick up... 37 00:02:09,631 --> 00:02:13,260 basically where Vince left off... 38 00:02:13,427 --> 00:02:15,971 in episode two. 39 00:02:16,138 --> 00:02:19,141 What was that like, that handoff between you guys? 40 00:02:19,308 --> 00:02:21,560 Well, luckily Vince was still shooting. 41 00:02:21,727 --> 00:02:24,563 So he invited me over to see how he set up this scene... 42 00:02:24,730 --> 00:02:27,024 because this is the continuation... 43 00:02:27,190 --> 00:02:30,777 of the very last moment, I believe, of the previous. 44 00:02:30,944 --> 00:02:34,239 And so there was a lot of debate on where the gas cap is... 45 00:02:34,406 --> 00:02:37,242 and the phone, and positioning, and.... 46 00:02:37,409 --> 00:02:38,785 We actually ended up moving... 47 00:02:38,952 --> 00:02:41,955 a little further down the road from where he shot it. 48 00:02:42,122 --> 00:02:44,291 Now here we are at... 49 00:02:44,458 --> 00:02:48,670 Back at that same location where we ended 302. 50 00:02:48,837 --> 00:02:52,466 And what was that like, the handoff between you and Vince? 51 00:02:52,632 --> 00:02:55,177 It was fairly smooth. He was still shooting this. 52 00:02:55,344 --> 00:02:57,071 He hadn't shot this scene when I started prep. 53 00:02:57,095 --> 00:02:59,848 And so he invited me over to see how he was gonna set it up. 54 00:03:00,015 --> 00:03:03,560 We talked about the best place for the phone, the best place for the gas cap. 55 00:03:03,727 --> 00:03:09,649 And then, actually, the day when we shot there, which was a different day... 56 00:03:09,816 --> 00:03:12,861 we did have to worry a little about matching the sky... 57 00:03:13,028 --> 00:03:15,739 and the amount of clouds, and that debate that goes on. 58 00:03:15,906 --> 00:03:17,532 But I think it worked really well. 59 00:03:17,699 --> 00:03:20,535 It's a terrific scene. 60 00:03:22,621 --> 00:03:27,542 Genny, what was it like writing Gus after all these years? 61 00:03:27,709 --> 00:03:30,128 It was really interesting, because this is sort of... 62 00:03:30,295 --> 00:03:34,424 the first "Gus" Gus scene, where he's fully-formed Gus Fring. 63 00:03:34,591 --> 00:03:36,510 But he's not quite fully-formed Gus Fring. 64 00:03:36,676 --> 00:03:38,136 This is several years previous. 65 00:03:38,303 --> 00:03:42,974 So this is definitely a thing of making him Gus, but not, you know... 66 00:03:43,141 --> 00:03:45,685 overplaying who he is in Breaking Bad. 67 00:03:45,852 --> 00:03:50,524 Like, "Is he proto-Gus? Is he quite as intimidating as he once was?" 68 00:03:50,690 --> 00:03:52,484 That was really fun. Also, they had a... 69 00:03:52,651 --> 00:03:55,445 Mike and Gus had such an established relationship in Breaking Bad. 70 00:03:55,612 --> 00:03:59,074 This is the first time they're meeting, so that was especially challenging. 71 00:03:59,241 --> 00:04:01,326 You wanna fall into the way they used to talk. 72 00:04:01,493 --> 00:04:04,996 And that isn't really gonna work for this scene, you know. 73 00:04:05,163 --> 00:04:08,291 Yeah, it's so interesting because here we have two characters... 74 00:04:08,458 --> 00:04:11,211 who are so laconic... 75 00:04:11,378 --> 00:04:13,338 and choose their words so carefully. 76 00:04:13,505 --> 00:04:18,176 And it's almost like... Reading the dialogue is almost like haiku. 77 00:04:18,343 --> 00:04:20,345 And, of course, here we get... 78 00:04:20,512 --> 00:04:23,140 Jeremiah Bitsui, who we saw in the previous episode... 79 00:04:23,306 --> 00:04:25,517 but also, hey, it's Tyrus. 80 00:04:25,684 --> 00:04:27,853 - Ray Campbell. - Ray Campbell. 81 00:04:28,019 --> 00:04:31,064 - It's a whole family reunion. - It really is. 82 00:04:31,231 --> 00:04:32,751 Being in Albuquerque with these guys... 83 00:04:32,941 --> 00:04:35,152 is the world's greatest high-school reunion. 84 00:04:35,318 --> 00:04:37,863 I've said it before, I'll say it again. 85 00:04:38,029 --> 00:04:40,991 And that coat is just fantas... 86 00:04:41,158 --> 00:04:43,660 I wanna dress like Gus Fring. 87 00:04:43,827 --> 00:04:45,036 Don't we all? 88 00:04:45,203 --> 00:04:47,164 He really is... He really is the man. 89 00:04:47,330 --> 00:04:51,293 But criminal Gus Fring, not Pollos Hermanos owner Gus, right? 90 00:04:51,460 --> 00:04:55,338 I'm actually... In real life, I'm closer to Pollos Hermanos Gus Fring. 91 00:04:55,505 --> 00:04:59,718 And his hair is a little longer. It's got a little curl to it. 92 00:04:59,885 --> 00:05:02,220 A little early Gus. 93 00:05:02,804 --> 00:05:04,347 That's right. Giancarlo really... 94 00:05:04,514 --> 00:05:09,936 He was very focused on what's the same and what's different, wasn't he? 95 00:05:10,103 --> 00:05:11,897 How many years earlier is this? 96 00:05:13,106 --> 00:05:15,108 Should he be...? How much younger is he? 97 00:05:15,275 --> 00:05:19,196 Well, you're an executive producer. You should know that, right? 98 00:05:19,362 --> 00:05:21,865 I'm just asking for the audience. 99 00:05:22,032 --> 00:05:23,492 It's about five... 100 00:05:23,658 --> 00:05:25,619 Around five or six years earlier. 101 00:05:25,785 --> 00:05:28,497 - I'm not good with numbers. - Yeah. 102 00:05:28,663 --> 00:05:30,874 Many moons ago. 103 00:05:31,249 --> 00:05:35,045 It was so much fun on set, just having these guys back together again. 104 00:05:35,212 --> 00:05:36,713 You know, just... 105 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,924 It was almost like we never left. 106 00:05:39,090 --> 00:05:40,425 - Right. - Yes. 107 00:05:40,592 --> 00:05:43,136 There's your credit. "Nina." Yay! 108 00:05:45,972 --> 00:05:48,725 I remember it when Giancarlo arrived, he pulled me aside. 109 00:05:48,892 --> 00:05:52,229 He said, "I'm gonna need a few takes to get back into Gus' head." 110 00:05:52,395 --> 00:05:55,023 But the first take, he was there. 111 00:05:55,190 --> 00:05:56,775 No doubt. 112 00:05:56,942 --> 00:05:59,653 And by the way, the way you shot this... 113 00:05:59,819 --> 00:06:03,657 This especially is such an epic, epic shot... 114 00:06:03,823 --> 00:06:06,451 when we go low on these guys in profile. 115 00:06:06,618 --> 00:06:08,662 It's just wonderful. 116 00:06:11,873 --> 00:06:15,085 And in editing, you know, one of the things I'm really proud of is that... 117 00:06:15,252 --> 00:06:16,795 we give these guys their due. 118 00:06:16,962 --> 00:06:21,258 We let their performances dictate the rhythm of the editing. 119 00:06:21,424 --> 00:06:26,638 And we're not trying to force things to go faster, because it's... 120 00:06:26,805 --> 00:06:27,847 There's a lot. 121 00:06:28,014 --> 00:06:31,476 There's a version of this scene that is about a quarter of the length... 122 00:06:31,643 --> 00:06:33,728 that doesn't have any of the thought to it. 123 00:06:33,895 --> 00:06:35,855 And I think this just has a lot more impact... 124 00:06:36,022 --> 00:06:37,941 because of the way you directed it, John. 125 00:06:38,108 --> 00:06:39,484 And the way... 126 00:06:39,651 --> 00:06:41,695 I think this was Kelley who edited this one. 127 00:06:41,861 --> 00:06:45,490 A combination of these big vistas, thanks to New Mexico. 128 00:06:45,657 --> 00:06:48,159 And then these tight, tight shots on the faces. 129 00:06:48,326 --> 00:06:49,369 Yeah. 130 00:06:49,536 --> 00:06:52,747 And just the whole idea of out-Mike-ing Mike needs a lot of room. 131 00:06:52,914 --> 00:06:54,291 Yeah, that's true. 132 00:06:54,457 --> 00:06:57,210 Yay, Tina Parker. Francesca. 133 00:06:59,713 --> 00:07:01,464 Tina is... 134 00:07:01,631 --> 00:07:04,050 She was very patient about coming back to the show. 135 00:07:04,217 --> 00:07:06,011 I'm sure she read... 136 00:07:06,177 --> 00:07:08,263 Of course, she's a working actress in Texas. 137 00:07:08,430 --> 00:07:10,348 She has her own theatre company. 138 00:07:10,515 --> 00:07:11,766 And she was very... 139 00:07:11,933 --> 00:07:15,353 I'm sure she read that Saul Goodman was coming back. 140 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,565 And here it took us until season three to bring her back. 141 00:07:18,732 --> 00:07:19,983 But, man, is she good. 142 00:07:20,150 --> 00:07:23,445 And so much fun to really see her.... 143 00:07:23,612 --> 00:07:25,780 - But a completely different Francesca. - Yeah. 144 00:07:25,947 --> 00:07:28,074 So many of the characters we bring back... 145 00:07:28,241 --> 00:07:30,201 are similar to how they were in Breaking Bad. 146 00:07:30,368 --> 00:07:33,330 But there's gonna be an evolution of Francesca. 147 00:07:33,496 --> 00:07:36,750 Yeah, before she's been beaten down by life, yeah. 148 00:07:36,916 --> 00:07:39,586 And you can see it in costume and hair. 149 00:07:39,753 --> 00:07:41,755 And she's trying to do her job. 150 00:07:41,921 --> 00:07:44,674 - And she's upbeat. - She is very upbeat. 151 00:07:44,841 --> 00:07:48,762 But also awkward. I like that she's added that awkwardness, you know? 152 00:07:49,512 --> 00:07:52,223 I think she plays it like... 153 00:07:52,390 --> 00:07:54,684 And you see more of this in subsequent episodes. 154 00:07:54,851 --> 00:07:57,187 She's a little bit leery of Kim. 155 00:07:57,354 --> 00:08:01,524 Kim is... You can tell, Kim is a great person and very kind... 156 00:08:01,691 --> 00:08:04,027 but not necessarily the world's easiest boss... 157 00:08:04,194 --> 00:08:06,446 because she is so detail-oriented. 158 00:08:06,613 --> 00:08:08,448 And, of course... 159 00:08:08,615 --> 00:08:14,329 this is another great scene between these two actors. 160 00:08:17,207 --> 00:08:18,917 This is... 161 00:08:20,752 --> 00:08:23,797 McKean, just... McKean and Odenkirk together... 162 00:08:23,963 --> 00:08:26,591 always hit it out of the park. 163 00:08:26,758 --> 00:08:29,135 They're just magic together. 164 00:08:29,302 --> 00:08:31,846 What I love is that, you know, Chuck is always... 165 00:08:32,013 --> 00:08:35,308 When Chuck says this stuff which is obviously very insulting... 166 00:08:35,475 --> 00:08:38,103 and rubs Jimmy the wrong way... 167 00:08:38,269 --> 00:08:41,022 he really does think he's coming from the right place. 168 00:08:41,189 --> 00:08:43,608 - Yes. - Chuck really thinks he's trying to help. 169 00:08:43,775 --> 00:08:46,444 And Michael really rides that line of the condescension... 170 00:08:46,611 --> 00:08:49,364 but also you can see that he believes it. 171 00:08:49,531 --> 00:08:52,951 We're so with Jimmy, that obviously we pretty much identify with him. 172 00:08:53,118 --> 00:08:55,036 But, you know, Chuck isn't always wrong... 173 00:08:55,203 --> 00:08:57,455 in these scenes either, you know? 174 00:08:58,123 --> 00:09:02,085 Yeah, and I love the way you write that and the way you said that... 175 00:09:02,252 --> 00:09:07,424 because these characters are all the heroes of their own story... 176 00:09:07,590 --> 00:09:09,676 and especially, especially Chuck. 177 00:09:09,843 --> 00:09:14,222 And so much of this season is about Chuck's story. 178 00:09:14,389 --> 00:09:17,100 And, boy, I hope those of you who are listening... 179 00:09:17,267 --> 00:09:19,144 have watched the whole season... 180 00:09:19,728 --> 00:09:22,355 before you listen to the commentary track. 181 00:09:22,522 --> 00:09:25,108 - Spoiler alert. - Because there's gonna be spoilers. 182 00:09:25,275 --> 00:09:27,777 Curled up in that space-blanket. 183 00:09:27,944 --> 00:09:30,822 Take you to the hospital. Hook you up to those.... 184 00:09:30,989 --> 00:09:33,950 And even at this point in the season, in the writers' room... 185 00:09:34,117 --> 00:09:39,247 we didn't know for sure what was gonna happen between these two guys. 186 00:09:39,414 --> 00:09:41,958 But I think, intuitively... 187 00:09:43,126 --> 00:09:45,170 there are all these little clues... 188 00:09:45,336 --> 00:09:48,047 and things that could be read as foreshadowing... 189 00:09:48,214 --> 00:09:52,385 about where Chuck's going. 190 00:09:52,886 --> 00:09:54,721 There's my ride. 191 00:09:59,184 --> 00:10:02,520 And this is a Thomas Golubic discovery... 192 00:10:02,687 --> 00:10:07,233 this Little Richard song, which I just love, and I... 193 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,360 - It's fantastic. - This is a scene... 194 00:10:09,527 --> 00:10:13,782 that I would be happy to watch at three times the length. 195 00:10:13,948 --> 00:10:16,951 It's just... It's so terrific. 196 00:10:17,118 --> 00:10:19,996 It's such a soulful music choice. 197 00:10:20,413 --> 00:10:23,208 And Simon gets a cameo, gets more than a cameo. 198 00:10:23,374 --> 00:10:27,837 Simon, our A.P.D. technical advisor, is also... 199 00:10:28,004 --> 00:10:29,923 working as one of our officers here... 200 00:10:30,089 --> 00:10:32,258 and helped us so much throughout the season. 201 00:10:32,425 --> 00:10:34,052 What is this location? 202 00:10:34,219 --> 00:10:37,972 It's actually a former detention centre outside of Albuquerque... 203 00:10:38,139 --> 00:10:41,976 which now is used as a Girl Scout camp. 204 00:10:42,143 --> 00:10:46,022 We had to cover murals of rainbows and flowers that were all over the walls. 205 00:10:46,189 --> 00:10:48,525 Art Department had to cover it. 206 00:10:48,983 --> 00:10:50,777 I love it. 207 00:10:51,402 --> 00:10:54,739 And isn't this gentleman doing the photography... 208 00:10:54,906 --> 00:10:56,533 he's a real police officer? 209 00:10:56,699 --> 00:10:58,827 He's a real police officer, correct. 210 00:10:58,993 --> 00:11:02,038 - He's just great. - Yeah, Francisco. 211 00:11:05,750 --> 00:11:08,419 A return of Peter Diseth. 212 00:11:10,129 --> 00:11:11,923 Classic. 213 00:11:12,549 --> 00:11:15,844 Peter Diseth, who we just love... 214 00:11:16,010 --> 00:11:18,471 and, of course, who showed up originally... 215 00:11:18,638 --> 00:11:21,391 in the second episode of Better Call Saul... 216 00:11:21,558 --> 00:11:26,437 just saying almost nothing except the phrase, "Petty with a prior." 217 00:11:26,604 --> 00:11:29,107 And we just... We just loved him so much. 218 00:11:29,274 --> 00:11:31,776 And Bob actually said, after that first sequence: 219 00:11:31,943 --> 00:11:33,403 "This guy's really good." 220 00:11:33,570 --> 00:11:35,780 And he is a local Albuquerque actor... 221 00:11:35,947 --> 00:11:40,034 and he has just crushed every single scene that he's done. 222 00:11:40,201 --> 00:11:42,161 And he was in one of John's prior episodes. 223 00:11:42,328 --> 00:11:45,081 I had the pleasure of doing the bathroom scene... 224 00:11:45,248 --> 00:11:47,500 as we'll call it forever... 225 00:11:47,667 --> 00:11:51,170 in season two, between these two. 226 00:11:51,337 --> 00:11:55,925 Which of course was when the name Omar was first broached between them. 227 00:11:56,092 --> 00:11:57,677 Yes, Omar. 228 00:11:57,844 --> 00:12:02,307 It's pretty great because, you know, Bob is such a titan of comedy... 229 00:12:02,473 --> 00:12:06,102 and to have someone be able to have these scenes... 230 00:12:06,269 --> 00:12:08,730 these comedic scenes and really hold their own... 231 00:12:08,897 --> 00:12:11,399 and improve the scene with their performance.... 232 00:12:11,566 --> 00:12:14,110 And how these two guys play off each other is so great. 233 00:12:14,277 --> 00:12:16,487 You don't always know if that's gonna happen... 234 00:12:16,654 --> 00:12:18,239 when you cast people, you know. 235 00:12:18,406 --> 00:12:22,076 You cast someone great in an audition, but there's chemistry that comes out... 236 00:12:22,243 --> 00:12:24,746 when you actually get down to shooting the scene. 237 00:12:24,913 --> 00:12:28,458 It's just so wonderful that they have this amazing chemistry. 238 00:12:28,625 --> 00:12:32,003 And it feels like you're writing for him now, which is great. 239 00:12:32,170 --> 00:12:34,422 - Yeah. - One thing I pride... 240 00:12:34,589 --> 00:12:35,924 I feel... 241 00:12:36,090 --> 00:12:39,260 We pride ourselves on is knowing when we've got a good thing going... 242 00:12:39,427 --> 00:12:41,971 and trying to make as much of it as we can. 243 00:12:42,138 --> 00:12:45,850 And the chemistry between these two guys is definitely... 244 00:12:46,017 --> 00:12:48,061 Falls into that category. 245 00:12:49,228 --> 00:12:52,565 Pick the biggest guy, punch him as hard as you can. 246 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,611 He's gonna punch you, man. 247 00:12:58,780 --> 00:13:00,865 Yeah, all right. Goodbye. 248 00:13:01,658 --> 00:13:04,118 Genny just wrote the hell out of these scenes. 249 00:13:04,285 --> 00:13:07,914 I like how sad all the hair is in this scene too. 250 00:13:11,709 --> 00:13:14,212 And, of course, this is fluorescent... 251 00:13:14,379 --> 00:13:16,631 ugly, industrial... 252 00:13:17,090 --> 00:13:19,133 lived-in space. 253 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:21,552 It tells so much of the story. 254 00:13:21,719 --> 00:13:25,390 Meanwhile, elsewhere in Albuquerque.... 255 00:13:25,556 --> 00:13:29,477 Is this our first Kim montage that we've ever done? 256 00:13:29,644 --> 00:13:32,480 - No, John had a major... - No, the Post-it montage. 257 00:13:32,647 --> 00:13:36,234 Oh, the Post-it montage. So you are the Kim-montage pro. 258 00:13:36,401 --> 00:13:38,111 Yes, indeed. I'm very proud of that. 259 00:13:38,277 --> 00:13:41,447 We know if John's coming that we're gonna do some Kim montages... 260 00:13:41,614 --> 00:13:44,909 and get Peter Diseth into the show. 261 00:13:51,082 --> 00:13:55,086 It's interesting what happens to Kim in the course of the season. 262 00:13:55,253 --> 00:13:57,880 I really admire Kim's... 263 00:13:58,881 --> 00:14:02,885 go-getting spirit, that she is the hardest worker around. 264 00:14:03,052 --> 00:14:05,471 That's something I find very endearing. 265 00:14:05,638 --> 00:14:09,392 But as this season goes on, that hard work goes to a new place. 266 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,605 And I think this montage is just the kind of start of that. 267 00:14:15,898 --> 00:14:17,942 The woman that goes to the gym purely to... 268 00:14:18,109 --> 00:14:20,486 get dressed and shower for work the next day. 269 00:14:20,653 --> 00:14:22,363 - Right. - That's right. 270 00:14:22,530 --> 00:14:27,910 And, again, another wonderful piece of music that Thomas found for us. 271 00:14:28,077 --> 00:14:29,954 This is actually... It's... 272 00:14:30,121 --> 00:14:32,957 I know he's a northern European artist. 273 00:14:33,124 --> 00:14:37,628 That's what I know about... That's what I know about Todd Terje? 274 00:14:37,795 --> 00:14:41,507 Like, I don't... That's all I know. 275 00:14:41,674 --> 00:14:45,178 Thomas has some magic way of finding these pieces of music. 276 00:14:45,344 --> 00:14:47,263 Thank goodness. 277 00:14:49,515 --> 00:14:51,350 Whose car is that? 278 00:14:52,435 --> 00:14:55,438 - Oh, Ernie. - Poor Ernie. 279 00:14:57,190 --> 00:14:58,858 Hey, Kim. 280 00:14:59,525 --> 00:15:01,819 You know, speaking of keeping a good thing going. 281 00:15:01,986 --> 00:15:05,948 Of course, Brandon originally had... 282 00:15:06,115 --> 00:15:09,243 I think, one line in the first season... 283 00:15:09,410 --> 00:15:14,165 when he was in a flashback in the HHM Xerox room. 284 00:15:14,332 --> 00:15:16,000 Right. Big celebration. 285 00:15:16,167 --> 00:15:17,460 We've just... 286 00:15:17,627 --> 00:15:19,837 He's just wonderful. He's a great guy. 287 00:15:20,004 --> 00:15:21,839 And he brings... 288 00:15:22,006 --> 00:15:25,927 this simple straightforwardness... 289 00:15:26,094 --> 00:15:29,013 to this character that's just so endearing. 290 00:15:29,180 --> 00:15:31,182 And an interesting sense of fashion to boot. 291 00:15:31,349 --> 00:15:35,478 - Yeah. Oh, man. He's trying. - Isn't that the truth? And transportation. 292 00:15:39,273 --> 00:15:42,360 This is such a wonderful shot, John. 293 00:15:44,028 --> 00:15:46,614 You've said to me many times in the tone meeting... 294 00:15:46,781 --> 00:15:48,199 you love those slow pull-outs. 295 00:15:48,366 --> 00:15:50,576 The Kubrick... Kubrickian... 296 00:15:50,743 --> 00:15:52,453 Now I find one every time I can. 297 00:15:52,620 --> 00:15:54,413 Excellent. Well, they're... 298 00:15:54,580 --> 00:15:55,915 It's great. 299 00:15:56,415 --> 00:15:58,876 And I just also love the colour. 300 00:15:59,043 --> 00:16:00,294 Everything about this. 301 00:16:00,461 --> 00:16:03,256 BCDC, what does that mean? 302 00:16:03,422 --> 00:16:05,633 - Do we know that? - That's the actual name of... 303 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,970 the Bernalillo County Detention Center, I think. 304 00:16:09,137 --> 00:16:10,721 Department of Corrections. 305 00:16:10,888 --> 00:16:14,016 - Yeah, it is a little bit of a snafu... - Yeah. 306 00:16:14,183 --> 00:16:18,896 In our MDC, Metropolitan Detention Center. 307 00:16:19,063 --> 00:16:21,774 That's Molly Hagan who's playing Judge Ash... 308 00:16:21,941 --> 00:16:25,820 which is a shout-out to some of my in-laws, the Ashes. 309 00:16:25,987 --> 00:16:27,321 - Excellent. - Nice. 310 00:16:28,364 --> 00:16:32,827 She's so great. I'm really happy that we managed to get her. 311 00:16:33,578 --> 00:16:35,163 Molly is... Molly's wonderful. 312 00:16:35,329 --> 00:16:40,835 And Kelley Dixon immediately realised that she's in... 313 00:16:41,002 --> 00:16:42,962 - Some Kind of Wonderful, right? - Yeah. 314 00:16:43,129 --> 00:16:45,381 She also played a small role in Rectify. 315 00:16:45,548 --> 00:16:47,133 - Really? - She was also in Election. 316 00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:49,510 I mean, you know, she's been in some fun stuff. 317 00:16:49,677 --> 00:16:54,056 Also misdemeanour with a maximum six months and a $500 fine. 318 00:16:54,223 --> 00:16:55,433 Victim is.... 319 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,477 And we've seen this little couple in the back before. 320 00:16:58,644 --> 00:16:59,854 They visited us in "Bingo." 321 00:17:00,313 --> 00:17:01,814 - Is that true? Is that so? - Yeah. 322 00:17:01,981 --> 00:17:04,525 I assume you're prepared to enter a plea at this time. 323 00:17:04,692 --> 00:17:09,363 Yes, Your Honour. I wish to enter a plea of not guilty. 324 00:17:09,947 --> 00:17:12,491 The court accepts and enters the defendant's plea of not guilty. 325 00:17:12,658 --> 00:17:13,910 I love her. 326 00:17:14,076 --> 00:17:16,787 This court reporter is awesome, isn't she? 327 00:17:16,954 --> 00:17:18,748 She's a real court reporter. 328 00:17:18,915 --> 00:17:20,708 She inspired us because at one point... 329 00:17:20,875 --> 00:17:23,395 she was trying to hear what the actors were saying and leaned forward. 330 00:17:23,419 --> 00:17:27,131 I said, "We've gotta get a camera on her and get that because it's so perfect." 331 00:17:27,965 --> 00:17:31,677 You know, oftentimes when you hear about filmmaking... 332 00:17:31,844 --> 00:17:34,805 it sounds like everyone figures everything out ahead of time. 333 00:17:34,972 --> 00:17:37,808 And that there's always this master plan... 334 00:17:37,975 --> 00:17:41,312 and it's all about chess playing, but so much of it is... 335 00:17:41,896 --> 00:17:44,398 recognising when there's something worthwhile. 336 00:17:44,565 --> 00:17:46,859 - Absolutely. - And making sure that you get it. 337 00:17:47,026 --> 00:17:49,403 And she's terrific. 338 00:17:49,570 --> 00:17:51,280 And, of course, Jimmy's doing something... 339 00:17:51,447 --> 00:17:53,324 which you should not do in a courtroom... 340 00:17:53,491 --> 00:17:56,911 which is to try to have a private conversation in front of a judge. 341 00:17:57,078 --> 00:18:02,667 And the fact that she's leaning forward just makes that very, very clear. 342 00:18:03,376 --> 00:18:04,919 Kim's like, "What the...?" 343 00:18:05,086 --> 00:18:07,546 "Why the hell are you talking to me?" says Kim. 344 00:18:08,673 --> 00:18:12,260 - This is Jimmy's nightmare scenario. - Oh, God. 345 00:18:12,426 --> 00:18:15,888 No outstanding warrants. And where are you currently practising law? 346 00:18:16,055 --> 00:18:18,224 I haven't seen you in my court in a while. 347 00:18:18,975 --> 00:18:20,518 It's a hard moment for Kim too... 348 00:18:20,685 --> 00:18:23,312 because she's been rejected in a professional setting. 349 00:18:23,479 --> 00:18:26,148 And she probably wants to have that argument right now... 350 00:18:26,315 --> 00:18:30,653 but she has to, you know, keep that dignity and get out of there. 351 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:33,698 Yeah, also, Jimmy doesn't want her help, you know. 352 00:18:33,864 --> 00:18:35,908 - Yeah. - She's not gonna force him... 353 00:18:36,075 --> 00:18:38,577 which is so much of what the story line is... 354 00:18:38,744 --> 00:18:41,580 between these two in this episode. 355 00:18:42,415 --> 00:18:44,375 Both of them have so much pride. 356 00:18:45,835 --> 00:18:47,962 There's a lack of understanding sometimes... 357 00:18:48,129 --> 00:18:51,966 on Jimmy's part of he wants to shelter her from certain aspects of himself. 358 00:18:52,133 --> 00:18:56,721 And, you know, Kim's always like, "But I accept those aspects of you." 359 00:18:56,887 --> 00:19:00,766 And it always leads to these sort of miscommunications. 360 00:19:02,852 --> 00:19:06,731 I'm not the first one to say this, but Bob is a really good actor. 361 00:19:06,897 --> 00:19:08,899 I love this... 362 00:19:09,066 --> 00:19:12,611 monologue that he did in one take. It's just awesome. He's amazing. 363 00:19:12,778 --> 00:19:14,864 It's... It's terrific. 364 00:19:15,031 --> 00:19:17,491 And I love the fact, you know, he saved up... 365 00:19:17,658 --> 00:19:19,785 - everything he wanted to say to her. - Yes. 366 00:19:19,952 --> 00:19:21,537 And now it comes out. 367 00:19:21,704 --> 00:19:26,167 And the two of them are... These two are just magic together. 368 00:19:26,334 --> 00:19:28,127 And I think they've only got... 369 00:19:28,294 --> 00:19:32,173 They just play better with each other every episode... 370 00:19:32,340 --> 00:19:34,508 in every season. 371 00:19:34,967 --> 00:19:37,136 Then I didn't call you, which is stupid... 372 00:19:37,303 --> 00:19:39,472 Now, did you say, "I wanna do this in one take." 373 00:19:39,638 --> 00:19:42,099 Or was that something you and Bob had discussed? 374 00:19:42,266 --> 00:19:43,684 I can't remember. 375 00:19:43,851 --> 00:19:46,604 He came up and said, "I'd like to try it in one." 376 00:19:46,771 --> 00:19:50,733 And I said, "Of course. Go for it." And he was great. 377 00:19:51,776 --> 00:19:54,570 You know, in post, we tried... 378 00:19:54,737 --> 00:19:55,946 Tried seeing... 379 00:19:56,113 --> 00:19:59,325 Coming around to her during all this. 380 00:19:59,492 --> 00:20:00,993 And it just... 381 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,081 This is the way you cut it, and it works great. 382 00:20:05,247 --> 00:20:07,416 It's the right way to do it... 383 00:20:08,334 --> 00:20:10,628 because the suspense here is: 384 00:20:10,795 --> 00:20:14,673 "What is Kim's reaction gonna be to this avalanche of words?" 385 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,176 And she's in slight soft focus. 386 00:20:17,343 --> 00:20:18,511 And yet you can... 387 00:20:18,677 --> 00:20:21,347 - This is the first time we've cut to her. - Yeah. 388 00:20:21,889 --> 00:20:25,184 And her reaction, she's just so... 389 00:20:25,351 --> 00:20:28,270 - It's perfect. - Underplays it. 390 00:20:28,437 --> 00:20:30,022 Thank you. 391 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:34,944 He'd expect her to go nuts, but not Kim. 392 00:20:35,111 --> 00:20:37,196 - Yeah. - Yeah. 393 00:20:38,239 --> 00:20:40,825 And all the time that went into what was on her monitor. 394 00:20:40,991 --> 00:20:44,412 - Oh, my gosh, yeah. - From Ariel Levine, no doubt. 395 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:51,001 We have Ariel, and Desa, and Jenn, and Jonny in our office. 396 00:20:51,168 --> 00:20:53,754 And they do an incredible job. 397 00:20:53,921 --> 00:20:57,299 And they often end up writing things like... 398 00:20:57,466 --> 00:20:59,802 Kim's letter that you can see on the screen. 399 00:20:59,969 --> 00:21:02,471 If you were able to freeze-frame it and blow that up... 400 00:21:02,638 --> 00:21:05,599 - it would be a really good... - Informative. 401 00:21:05,766 --> 00:21:07,685 You would learn something about the law. 402 00:21:07,852 --> 00:21:09,937 - That's true. - You could have a side class. 403 00:21:10,104 --> 00:21:12,523 You mind driving me to my car? 404 00:21:12,690 --> 00:21:15,025 Sure, no problem. 405 00:21:18,696 --> 00:21:20,197 Just so you know... 406 00:21:20,364 --> 00:21:23,742 this isn't a typical week around here. 407 00:21:24,493 --> 00:21:25,870 Yeah, totally. 408 00:21:26,036 --> 00:21:29,039 Tina... Tina's just great. 409 00:21:29,707 --> 00:21:33,252 The picture that's on her desk is actually of her with her father. 410 00:21:33,419 --> 00:21:35,504 Oh, that's lovely. 411 00:21:36,297 --> 00:21:37,423 By the way... 412 00:21:37,882 --> 00:21:40,468 - any of you who happen to be in... - Nice transition. 413 00:21:40,634 --> 00:21:43,137 I think it's either Houston or Austin... 414 00:21:43,304 --> 00:21:46,265 she runs the Kitchen Dog Theater company. 415 00:21:46,432 --> 00:21:51,312 I highly recommend going to catch a show or even make a contribution. 416 00:21:51,896 --> 00:21:53,355 JB. 417 00:21:53,522 --> 00:21:54,982 Yeah. 418 00:21:55,149 --> 00:21:56,901 It's JB Blanc, who we... 419 00:21:57,067 --> 00:21:59,069 When did we see him last? 420 00:21:59,236 --> 00:22:01,030 - In Breaking Bad. - Breaking Bad, yeah. 421 00:22:01,197 --> 00:22:02,239 Yeah. 422 00:22:02,406 --> 00:22:07,453 At the temporary medical centre just south of the border... 423 00:22:07,620 --> 00:22:10,206 when Gus was recovering. 424 00:22:10,372 --> 00:22:14,752 Recovering from poisoning the cartel. 425 00:22:15,127 --> 00:22:17,713 Well, and also healing Mike with his injury. 426 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,967 Feeding his chickens inside that same joint. 427 00:22:23,427 --> 00:22:24,470 Look. 428 00:22:24,637 --> 00:22:26,931 He seems to be a good doctor. I like that. 429 00:22:27,097 --> 00:22:30,976 He's nice to kids, which is a good baseline, you know? 430 00:22:32,937 --> 00:22:36,023 Now, John, did you actually go to Mexico to shoot this sequence? 431 00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:41,529 You know, we went to scout this location, which is a veterinary hospital. 432 00:22:41,695 --> 00:22:47,409 And it's a half a block from Los Pollos Hermanos location. 433 00:22:47,576 --> 00:22:49,161 And the ostrich was there. 434 00:22:49,328 --> 00:22:52,623 It was always outside in a pen next door. 435 00:22:52,790 --> 00:22:54,792 So it was like coming home. It was... 436 00:22:54,959 --> 00:23:00,297 There is an ostrich that lives outside Pollos Hermanos. 437 00:23:00,464 --> 00:23:02,466 All I can think of is Napoleon Dynamite. 438 00:23:02,633 --> 00:23:05,219 He's just always getting into trouble, yeah. 439 00:23:05,386 --> 00:23:07,137 Mr. Clark. 440 00:23:07,304 --> 00:23:09,473 The doctor's ready. 441 00:23:10,766 --> 00:23:12,935 And this... Jonathan walks here. 442 00:23:13,102 --> 00:23:16,522 He asked for one more take... 443 00:23:16,689 --> 00:23:19,149 and bumped into the poor girl who... On purpose. 444 00:23:19,316 --> 00:23:21,902 Whose foot was in frame. He said, "I have to do this." 445 00:23:22,069 --> 00:23:24,738 And he ran into her. "Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry." 446 00:23:24,905 --> 00:23:28,075 And he couldn't help himself. 447 00:23:29,159 --> 00:23:31,912 That should be in the gag reel. I don't think it is, though. 448 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:33,914 - He's such a joker. - That's so Jonathan. 449 00:23:34,081 --> 00:23:35,124 Yeah. 450 00:23:40,838 --> 00:23:43,799 I believe the nurse in the scene that we just saw... 451 00:23:43,966 --> 00:23:48,345 also appears in the Pollos Hermanos commercial... 452 00:23:48,512 --> 00:23:49,555 Chickens. 453 00:23:49,722 --> 00:23:51,515 That was run on local TV in Albuquerque. 454 00:23:51,682 --> 00:23:53,142 Callback, chicken callback. 455 00:23:53,309 --> 00:23:55,519 Well, Mike likes chickens. 456 00:23:55,686 --> 00:23:57,605 Isn't that beautiful? 457 00:23:57,771 --> 00:24:00,357 The paint job that the Art Department did here. 458 00:24:00,524 --> 00:24:04,403 Michael Novotny, leading the best Art Department anywhere. 459 00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:08,324 It just tells so much of the story right there. 460 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,787 I think it's fine. 461 00:24:13,954 --> 00:24:15,372 Nothing bad can come of this. 462 00:24:17,666 --> 00:24:20,544 - Why is Mike driving? - We all have one of those in our trunk. 463 00:24:20,711 --> 00:24:24,048 - Mexico, you know? - It was just Band-Aids. 464 00:24:25,341 --> 00:24:27,343 We never get tired of callbacks, do we? 465 00:24:27,509 --> 00:24:31,930 Of course, this is a callback to season one... 466 00:24:32,097 --> 00:24:36,602 when Jimmy was the one pulling the coffee out of this machine. 467 00:24:37,978 --> 00:24:40,939 This scene too, Bob came up and said... 468 00:24:41,106 --> 00:24:44,902 he'd like to try it as sketch comedy, really, with just the two of them. 469 00:24:45,069 --> 00:24:48,989 And so this shot... We did this until... 470 00:24:49,156 --> 00:24:50,866 We have this one shot for the whole scene. 471 00:24:51,033 --> 00:24:54,328 It just plays as a two-man bit, and it's amazing. 472 00:24:54,495 --> 00:24:57,998 And all those takes were... There are so many great takes of that. 473 00:24:58,165 --> 00:25:01,710 And I think we managed to keep as much as humanly possible... 474 00:25:01,877 --> 00:25:03,587 before we went into the coverage. 475 00:25:03,754 --> 00:25:05,839 We talked about that. There was an early cut. 476 00:25:06,006 --> 00:25:08,634 - "Let's just play it on the wide." - Yes, yes. 477 00:25:08,801 --> 00:25:12,054 But then when the emotion shifts, "Okay, we can take it in." 478 00:25:12,221 --> 00:25:15,724 My favourite thing about this is, when I was writing this scene, I was like: 479 00:25:15,891 --> 00:25:17,393 "Oakley is so pathetic and sad." 480 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:20,896 But the way Peter played it, he played it with a little bit of relish... 481 00:25:21,063 --> 00:25:24,525 which makes it less sad, but more sad, you know? 482 00:25:24,692 --> 00:25:27,528 He has a certain dignity about his two-chip process. 483 00:25:27,695 --> 00:25:30,489 - Two-chip-bag process. His thing. - He does this every day. 484 00:25:30,656 --> 00:25:33,742 Did he come up with all that with the bags? This physical business? 485 00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:35,536 That was him, and he did it... 486 00:25:35,703 --> 00:25:39,373 He did it slightly different in one take, and then he started doing two bags. 487 00:25:39,540 --> 00:25:42,626 And he stuck with it, and it worked so well. 488 00:25:43,502 --> 00:25:48,173 And Mark Hansen and the prop team put these burgers together. 489 00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:52,052 They were assembling them like it was a commercial, you know? 490 00:25:52,219 --> 00:25:56,807 We had to make sure it'd be the most appealing, juicy, delicious burger that... 491 00:25:56,974 --> 00:26:00,936 Yes, there were many, many... There were a lot of burger approvals. 492 00:26:01,103 --> 00:26:03,105 Yeah, I remember being very worried about... 493 00:26:03,272 --> 00:26:06,024 having an appetizing enough burger. 494 00:26:06,191 --> 00:26:08,694 And Diane Mercer, our post producer... 495 00:26:08,861 --> 00:26:11,613 had to talk me out of putting little waves... 496 00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:16,160 smell waves coming out of the burger for him to sniff. 497 00:26:16,326 --> 00:26:20,414 I still regret that. No, not really, but there you go. 498 00:26:20,581 --> 00:26:24,168 Their prop acting and their food acting is so important. 499 00:26:24,334 --> 00:26:26,795 And they're so good at it. They did it the same way. 500 00:26:26,962 --> 00:26:28,422 They worked it in. 501 00:26:28,589 --> 00:26:32,259 It didn't get in the way of the scene. It helped the scene. It's pretty amazing. 502 00:26:32,426 --> 00:26:36,430 You know, it's one of the things I enjoy about this show... 503 00:26:36,597 --> 00:26:41,185 is that we can go from very, very serious life-and-death situations... 504 00:26:41,351 --> 00:26:44,438 and yet have this kind of comedy... 505 00:26:44,605 --> 00:26:49,067 this very character comedy, that it's such an interesting combination. 506 00:26:49,234 --> 00:26:51,069 A lucky break, do you? 507 00:26:51,236 --> 00:26:54,990 And Bob is so great in this scene. He's great in every scene. 508 00:26:55,157 --> 00:26:58,327 I just love this episode, and I love this scene. 509 00:26:58,494 --> 00:27:00,412 Wheeled and dealed together too many times. 510 00:27:00,579 --> 00:27:02,515 There's no way the boss was letting me run that one. 511 00:27:02,539 --> 00:27:06,710 I think this episode may very much be about bad ties. 512 00:27:08,086 --> 00:27:10,088 Every one that we've seen so far. 513 00:27:10,255 --> 00:27:12,049 Also, his suit's a little too big. 514 00:27:12,216 --> 00:27:14,468 Jennifer Bryan always does those great details... 515 00:27:14,635 --> 00:27:17,429 with the wardrobe that tell a story... 516 00:27:17,596 --> 00:27:20,224 which is just so valuable with all these characters. 517 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:24,520 It's a funny thing, Mark, because all of Jimmy's clothes... 518 00:27:24,686 --> 00:27:29,024 and Saul's clothes look terrible and loud and clashy... 519 00:27:29,191 --> 00:27:30,567 when I first see them. 520 00:27:30,734 --> 00:27:33,862 And as the years go by, it's all starting to look better and better. 521 00:27:34,029 --> 00:27:38,617 So I think he may be just a fashion leader more than anything else. 522 00:27:38,784 --> 00:27:41,328 - This is one of his good suits. - One of his good looks. 523 00:27:41,495 --> 00:27:43,747 - This is. - This is a Davis & Main Grey suit. 524 00:27:43,914 --> 00:27:46,917 Whatever this crime is that Oakley's wearing is another story. 525 00:27:47,084 --> 00:27:48,627 - I love that blue suit. - Yeah. 526 00:27:48,794 --> 00:27:50,462 Oh, my God. 527 00:27:50,629 --> 00:27:54,132 And, of course, Oakley, he is a type. 528 00:27:54,299 --> 00:27:56,426 If you go to any courthouse in America... 529 00:27:56,593 --> 00:28:01,306 you will see a lot of people working in the prosecutor's office... 530 00:28:01,473 --> 00:28:05,936 who are very much in the mould of ADA Oakley. 531 00:28:06,103 --> 00:28:10,357 It's really, more or less, a thankless job. 532 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,241 And one of the things that we did in post... 533 00:28:19,408 --> 00:28:21,577 under Marshall's guidance... 534 00:28:21,743 --> 00:28:25,706 was to alter the colour slightly... 535 00:28:25,873 --> 00:28:29,209 to help suggest when we're south of the border. 536 00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:32,880 We have so many colour codes on this show and on Breaking Bad... 537 00:28:33,046 --> 00:28:36,717 that sometimes we run the risk of tripping ourselves up... 538 00:28:36,884 --> 00:28:41,430 because, of course, we have a colour treatment that we do for flashbacks... 539 00:28:41,597 --> 00:28:43,807 and a colour treatment that we do for Mexico. 540 00:28:43,974 --> 00:28:46,935 So, what do you do if you have a flashback in Mexico? 541 00:28:47,102 --> 00:28:48,604 So those are all... 542 00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:52,441 Believe it or not, those are things that we spend a lot of time thinking about. 543 00:28:52,608 --> 00:28:55,235 And so you can see, it's just a little bit... 544 00:28:55,402 --> 00:28:58,363 It's a little bit warm, and this is really picked up. 545 00:28:58,530 --> 00:29:00,866 It's a modification of a look that... 546 00:29:01,033 --> 00:29:04,036 Michael Slovis came up with on Breaking Bad... 547 00:29:04,202 --> 00:29:08,123 to help distinguish the two worlds. 548 00:29:08,290 --> 00:29:09,583 Those shoes again. 549 00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:13,921 Oh, these shoes, of course, Jennifer Bryan.... 550 00:29:14,087 --> 00:29:17,215 These were manufactured specifically for our show. 551 00:29:17,382 --> 00:29:18,508 Custom designed. 552 00:29:19,051 --> 00:29:20,969 And in our criminal signature red. 553 00:29:21,136 --> 00:29:25,015 Let me say this. It's not a recognisable logo. 554 00:29:25,182 --> 00:29:28,310 It's going to be recognisable, Mark, because we're marketing these. 555 00:29:28,477 --> 00:29:30,729 We're going to do a whole line of these shoes. 556 00:29:30,896 --> 00:29:32,481 That and the ties too. 557 00:29:32,648 --> 00:29:34,942 - Good. Oh, good. - Jimmy's ties. 558 00:29:35,108 --> 00:29:37,361 You might think I'm joking, but... 559 00:29:37,527 --> 00:29:39,696 - And ties with shoes on them. - Yeah. 560 00:29:39,863 --> 00:29:43,992 But we all will stop laughing when we cash the cheques. 561 00:29:45,118 --> 00:29:48,121 - All right, John, how'd you pull this off? - Yeah. 562 00:29:48,288 --> 00:29:51,249 We were very worried about it, but it's easier than I thought. 563 00:29:51,416 --> 00:29:55,128 This is Jonathan doing the practise throws. 564 00:29:55,295 --> 00:29:57,547 And then the... 565 00:29:57,714 --> 00:29:59,091 How many takes? 566 00:29:59,257 --> 00:30:01,468 Only about three. 567 00:30:02,469 --> 00:30:05,889 And he was not supposed to make it, so... 568 00:30:06,264 --> 00:30:07,933 - That worked out well. - That worked out. 569 00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:11,478 You don't wanna make Mike too Superman-y, landing it on the first try. 570 00:30:11,645 --> 00:30:15,565 Exactly. And we gave him a second. 571 00:30:15,732 --> 00:30:19,069 And then you'll see a high shot from the crane looking down... 572 00:30:19,236 --> 00:30:20,320 which is the double. 573 00:30:20,487 --> 00:30:23,949 And the double nailed it on the second take. 574 00:30:24,449 --> 00:30:25,951 That. 575 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,579 - That's not actually Jonathan. - That's not Jonathan. 576 00:30:29,746 --> 00:30:31,164 - It's amazing. - That guy. 577 00:30:31,331 --> 00:30:33,333 The guy we're looking at is not Jonathan? 578 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:34,543 No. 579 00:30:35,419 --> 00:30:37,295 That double's very close. 580 00:30:37,462 --> 00:30:41,341 I'll also mention that we only had, I think... 581 00:30:41,508 --> 00:30:43,593 how many actual electrical poles? 582 00:30:44,553 --> 00:30:45,762 - Two. - Two. 583 00:30:45,929 --> 00:30:48,640 Two, so when you watch the scenes out in the desert... 584 00:30:48,807 --> 00:30:51,810 a lot of those electrical poles are digital... 585 00:30:51,977 --> 00:30:54,646 but let's not skip past the entrance... 586 00:30:54,813 --> 00:30:58,900 of the marvellous Kimberly Hebert Gregory. 587 00:30:59,860 --> 00:31:00,902 This is... 588 00:31:01,069 --> 00:31:02,446 I haven't got to meet her. 589 00:31:02,612 --> 00:31:05,490 - But she's just tremendous. - She's lovely. 590 00:31:05,657 --> 00:31:09,703 She's sweet and very enthusiastic and.... 591 00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:11,580 Such a great energy. 592 00:31:11,747 --> 00:31:13,248 Yes. 593 00:31:13,415 --> 00:31:16,460 - Great work on Vice Principals. - Is she from Albuquerque? 594 00:31:16,626 --> 00:31:21,882 No, far from it. She is a wonderful actress who's probably... 595 00:31:22,049 --> 00:31:26,303 She was first known to me on the show Vice Principals... 596 00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:31,183 where she's essentially one of the three leads on Vice Principals. 597 00:31:31,349 --> 00:31:34,519 I was just blown away by her performance on Vice Principals. 598 00:31:34,686 --> 00:31:37,773 And then our brilliant casting folks... 599 00:31:37,939 --> 00:31:43,403 Bialy/Thomas, brought her name up when we started talking about... 600 00:31:43,570 --> 00:31:45,072 Talking about the whole season. 601 00:31:45,238 --> 00:31:47,324 They said, "Wouldn't it be great to see her?" 602 00:31:47,491 --> 00:31:50,285 So this was just magical that she was available... 603 00:31:50,452 --> 00:31:52,370 and she was willing to do this role. 604 00:31:52,537 --> 00:31:53,830 I'd love to see more of her. 605 00:31:53,997 --> 00:31:58,293 Yeah, me too. Another actor who, you know, has done a lot of comedy. 606 00:31:58,460 --> 00:32:01,338 And, you know, we don't really let her be funny here. 607 00:32:01,505 --> 00:32:04,424 But she's so great, and I think that she brings kind of... 608 00:32:04,591 --> 00:32:06,510 a warmth to the character too... 609 00:32:06,676 --> 00:32:09,054 that maybe comes from that background as well. 610 00:32:09,221 --> 00:32:11,389 But, yeah, she's.... 611 00:32:11,556 --> 00:32:14,726 I love this scene because it's very delicate what she's doing. 612 00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:16,812 She's trying to be respectful of him. 613 00:32:16,978 --> 00:32:19,397 But has to be able to do her job at the same time. 614 00:32:19,564 --> 00:32:22,359 And he's in prime Chuck mode, I think. 615 00:32:22,526 --> 00:32:24,319 Yes, and I actually love... 616 00:32:24,486 --> 00:32:26,196 I was very impressed with the way... 617 00:32:26,363 --> 00:32:29,616 he shows Chuck's cards to the audience but not to her. 618 00:32:29,783 --> 00:32:32,577 And it's very interesting. It's very nuanced. 619 00:32:32,744 --> 00:32:36,414 It's so interesting to me because both these brothers... 620 00:32:36,581 --> 00:32:41,378 through the season, use honest emotion in dishonest ways. 621 00:32:41,545 --> 00:32:42,963 - And this is... - Absolutely. 622 00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:47,384 I think there's some real emotion here. I don't think it's just play-acting. 623 00:32:47,551 --> 00:32:49,970 But he is definitely doing it on purpose. 624 00:32:50,595 --> 00:32:53,640 And, also, she really seems to be great at her job. 625 00:32:53,807 --> 00:32:55,767 I think Jimmy's in a hell of a lot of trouble. 626 00:32:55,934 --> 00:32:57,102 Yeah. 627 00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:59,896 And I believe Julia Downs weighed in. 628 00:33:00,063 --> 00:33:03,316 My friend, who's an ADA... 629 00:33:03,483 --> 00:33:06,653 - in Belen, weighed in on this scene. - Yes. 630 00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:08,321 So props to her. 631 00:33:08,488 --> 00:33:11,992 Yeah, she helped us a lot with what kind of options... 632 00:33:12,659 --> 00:33:15,662 would the DA's office go for with Jimmy... 633 00:33:15,829 --> 00:33:18,415 what might he be presented with, and gave us a lot... 634 00:33:18,582 --> 00:33:21,418 of really great, sort of real-life scenarios. 635 00:33:21,585 --> 00:33:24,129 And because she's based in Belen... 636 00:33:24,296 --> 00:33:28,049 she's familiar with what the local... You know, what the state laws are. 637 00:33:28,216 --> 00:33:30,802 So you could get really specific. 638 00:33:31,428 --> 00:33:34,890 Yes, of course. All these laws vary, state to state. 639 00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:37,809 And so having Julia... She's been wonderful. 640 00:33:37,976 --> 00:33:40,145 And I've never met her face-to-face. 641 00:33:40,312 --> 00:33:42,898 But we've talked on the phone quite a few times. 642 00:33:43,064 --> 00:33:46,151 She's been just so, so helpful. 643 00:33:46,318 --> 00:33:48,403 Especially at this part of the season... 644 00:33:48,570 --> 00:33:52,824 which hinges on so many legal nuances. 645 00:33:52,991 --> 00:33:55,368 We're very reliant on having folks... 646 00:33:55,535 --> 00:34:00,540 who donate their time, like her especially. 647 00:34:06,379 --> 00:34:09,049 Oh, Chuck, what are you up to? 648 00:34:11,176 --> 00:34:14,804 And here comes this big showcase scene. 649 00:34:14,971 --> 00:34:18,850 How long did it take you to shoot all this stuff out in the desert, John? 650 00:34:19,517 --> 00:34:22,103 I think we spread it out over three days. 651 00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:25,315 So there was one full day and a couple of half days. 652 00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:27,901 You've got that little flash up there indicating... 653 00:34:28,068 --> 00:34:29,861 - That was a trick, right? - That's true. 654 00:34:30,028 --> 00:34:33,490 Deciding how we were going to give it away, but not be too... 655 00:34:33,657 --> 00:34:35,116 Just a little digital flash. 656 00:34:35,283 --> 00:34:37,452 Some people are gonna see it. Some people won't. 657 00:34:38,453 --> 00:34:41,623 But, again, you're looking at... 658 00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:46,253 You're looking at a real landscape that's had a lot of digital help... 659 00:34:46,419 --> 00:34:49,339 with these poles. 660 00:34:49,506 --> 00:34:52,926 And, also, there were things in the desert that didn't look quite right... 661 00:34:53,093 --> 00:34:56,137 like tracks from off-road vehicles. 662 00:34:56,304 --> 00:34:59,557 - And all that was erased by... - Buildings and... Yeah. 663 00:35:00,642 --> 00:35:03,520 Well, Diane Mercer. Super Diane Mercer. 664 00:35:03,687 --> 00:35:05,480 And.... 665 00:35:06,856 --> 00:35:08,525 I think this sequence... 666 00:35:08,692 --> 00:35:11,194 a lot of the artists at Keep Me Posted... 667 00:35:11,361 --> 00:35:13,029 contributed to it quite a bit. 668 00:35:13,196 --> 00:35:15,490 And where Mike is.... 669 00:35:15,949 --> 00:35:19,494 There's the shot that we just saw that's above him. 670 00:35:19,661 --> 00:35:22,956 And you see the whole landscape, which that was actually his double. 671 00:35:23,123 --> 00:35:26,751 But these tighter shots, we were in a different location... 672 00:35:26,918 --> 00:35:29,087 than where you think it's being established. 673 00:35:29,254 --> 00:35:31,589 Because in order to make sure John and the crew... 674 00:35:31,756 --> 00:35:35,051 could have the space to work and put the camera where they want... 675 00:35:35,218 --> 00:35:38,888 and we could easily access it for Jonathan to get there. 676 00:35:39,055 --> 00:35:41,891 So it's on a much lower section of the hill. 677 00:35:42,058 --> 00:35:43,184 Movie magic. 678 00:35:43,351 --> 00:35:45,228 There's a lot of movie magic here. 679 00:35:45,395 --> 00:35:50,150 And one of the great pieces of movie magic for me is Dave Porter's score. 680 00:35:50,317 --> 00:35:51,359 Yes. 681 00:35:51,526 --> 00:35:55,280 I am always happy when we have a sequence... 682 00:35:55,447 --> 00:35:58,783 that I feel in my gut is going to be something... 683 00:35:58,950 --> 00:36:01,619 that Dave really gets to sink his teeth into. 684 00:36:01,786 --> 00:36:05,040 And this is definitely one of them. 685 00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:08,043 Again, those are digital, those... 686 00:36:08,209 --> 00:36:09,753 - The power lines. - Power lines. 687 00:36:09,919 --> 00:36:12,047 - Which I think is... - Not the actors. 688 00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:14,674 - No, no digital actors yet. - Not this time. 689 00:36:14,841 --> 00:36:16,843 Not this episode. 690 00:36:20,055 --> 00:36:25,477 And this little contraption took some thought and engineering as well. 691 00:36:36,821 --> 00:36:39,157 It's so suspenseful. We're just watching now. 692 00:36:39,324 --> 00:36:41,618 - I know. - Well, I would just... 693 00:36:41,785 --> 00:36:44,913 I haven't watched this in a little bit, and it's reminding me... 694 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,832 I'm sitting here with John. I keep looking over at him... 695 00:36:47,999 --> 00:36:52,253 because there's so many damn pieces in this sequence. 696 00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:53,880 And it's... 697 00:36:54,047 --> 00:36:56,216 We had every piece we needed. 698 00:36:56,383 --> 00:36:59,135 And it all goes together like butter. 699 00:36:59,302 --> 00:37:03,098 And I'm really admiring how well shot it is... 700 00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:06,393 and how well thought out it is, really, more than anything else. 701 00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,895 - Was it storyboarded? - It was not storyboarded. 702 00:37:09,062 --> 00:37:12,565 But we had to keep track of all the points of view. 703 00:37:12,732 --> 00:37:15,527 There's a scope point of view, a clean point of view... 704 00:37:15,693 --> 00:37:18,029 there's a binocular point of view. 705 00:37:18,196 --> 00:37:22,867 And it had to be basically shot from here, where the gun box is... 706 00:37:23,034 --> 00:37:24,869 and then from up above. 707 00:37:25,036 --> 00:37:28,081 - And it was very complicated. - It's really intricate. 708 00:37:28,248 --> 00:37:30,458 We shot-listed it, definitely, but... 709 00:37:31,167 --> 00:37:35,588 And when I read it, you know, I love that challenge of... 710 00:37:36,005 --> 00:37:40,427 what is basically a visual... Entirely visual sequence. 711 00:37:41,761 --> 00:37:44,889 Yeah, if the folks at home are making a sandwich... 712 00:37:45,056 --> 00:37:47,308 they really have no idea what's happening here. 713 00:37:47,475 --> 00:37:48,518 Exactly. 714 00:37:48,685 --> 00:37:51,896 So don't make a sandwich while you're watching the show, please. 715 00:37:52,814 --> 00:37:54,983 You can eat the sandwich while you're watching. 716 00:37:55,150 --> 00:37:58,695 Just pause it before you make the sandwich. 717 00:38:02,907 --> 00:38:04,075 And talk about this. 718 00:38:05,743 --> 00:38:07,203 Oh, yeah. 719 00:38:08,121 --> 00:38:10,039 Yes, getting that shoe gag. 720 00:38:10,206 --> 00:38:15,712 We had about six shoes that were wired in various stages... 721 00:38:15,879 --> 00:38:19,674 and had squibs in them that would automatically go off. 722 00:38:20,216 --> 00:38:23,678 And we had a separate wire that we put up at the T junction... 723 00:38:23,845 --> 00:38:26,973 so that another camera could be shooting just the shoes. 724 00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:28,558 It's a very complicated piece. 725 00:38:28,725 --> 00:38:34,147 And I believe that we actually shot a real pair of shoes with a real rifle. 726 00:38:34,564 --> 00:38:38,109 I think we were all worried that it wasn't gonna look real. 727 00:38:38,276 --> 00:38:41,404 So we did it for real, just to see what it would look like. 728 00:38:41,571 --> 00:38:42,614 And here we are back... 729 00:38:42,780 --> 00:38:46,951 where we were in episode 208, at the border crossing. 730 00:38:48,369 --> 00:38:50,246 This is just.... 731 00:38:51,164 --> 00:38:53,166 And, of course... 732 00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:54,918 that was... 733 00:38:55,084 --> 00:38:58,213 This border crossing was an epic back in 208... 734 00:38:58,379 --> 00:39:02,217 with that amazing single shot that went over the border. 735 00:39:02,383 --> 00:39:06,137 And here we are, back with a different point of view. 736 00:39:06,304 --> 00:39:09,432 And these poor unsuspecting criminals have no idea... 737 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,684 - that they've been made. - That's right. 738 00:39:11,851 --> 00:39:13,686 Because there's a hero present. 739 00:39:13,853 --> 00:39:16,022 We're about to have the hero show up. 740 00:39:16,189 --> 00:39:19,108 I think the hero of the sequence is about to show up. 741 00:39:19,275 --> 00:39:22,111 I mean, he litters. He's kind of asking for it, you know? 742 00:39:22,278 --> 00:39:24,364 - Wasn't that the Juicy Fruit? - This is the hero. 743 00:39:24,531 --> 00:39:27,116 This dog is so great. 744 00:39:28,326 --> 00:39:31,621 This is a real drug-sniffing dog. 745 00:39:31,788 --> 00:39:34,249 Did you have to use real drugs to get him to stop? 746 00:39:34,415 --> 00:39:38,586 Well, actually, under that step right there is... 747 00:39:38,753 --> 00:39:41,673 a bit of the essence of heroin, they told me, the pheromone. 748 00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:44,425 It's not heroin, but Robin Sweet was like: 749 00:39:44,592 --> 00:39:46,427 "What? You brought heroin onto the set?" 750 00:39:46,594 --> 00:39:51,057 "No, no, no. It's just a pheromone or something that they use to train them." 751 00:39:51,224 --> 00:39:54,060 - That's remarkable. - That's great. 752 00:39:55,353 --> 00:39:57,605 - What? - Just to make your job... 753 00:39:57,772 --> 00:39:59,566 even more difficult... 754 00:39:59,732 --> 00:40:02,986 we found out in research that the dogs are trained to sit... 755 00:40:03,152 --> 00:40:04,696 when they smell something. 756 00:40:04,862 --> 00:40:07,282 When we were originally conceiving of the sequence... 757 00:40:07,448 --> 00:40:09,450 we assumed the dog would bark like crazy. 758 00:40:09,617 --> 00:40:12,370 But, of course, if you think about it... 759 00:40:12,537 --> 00:40:15,373 if you're a border cop, you don't want everyone to know... 760 00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:17,500 that the dog has sniffed something. 761 00:40:17,667 --> 00:40:22,964 So, again, we were being sort of accurate.... 762 00:40:23,131 --> 00:40:24,799 Not "sort of." Actually accurate. 763 00:40:24,966 --> 00:40:29,846 But it makes it harder to communicate what's going on in the scene. 764 00:40:30,013 --> 00:40:33,808 Absolutely. Seeing a dog sit does not always mean it's found drugs. 765 00:40:33,975 --> 00:40:35,018 That's right. 766 00:40:35,184 --> 00:40:38,730 - And this is not really outside. - What? 767 00:40:38,896 --> 00:40:41,691 - Where is this? - I know. It's shocking. 768 00:40:41,858 --> 00:40:44,652 - On our stages. - It's so beautiful. 769 00:40:44,819 --> 00:40:47,363 This... I love this lighting. 770 00:40:47,530 --> 00:40:49,866 It's something that I don't think we mentioned. 771 00:40:50,033 --> 00:40:53,786 In episode one, in season two... 772 00:40:53,953 --> 00:40:56,080 Wexler McGill was a real location. 773 00:40:56,247 --> 00:40:58,499 And we shot inside the actual location. 774 00:40:58,666 --> 00:41:03,546 But when it came time to shoot season three... 775 00:41:03,713 --> 00:41:05,214 that location was rented out. 776 00:41:05,381 --> 00:41:07,675 There was a company occupying that space. 777 00:41:07,842 --> 00:41:12,472 So we built this entire office on stage... 778 00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,475 including this piece, which we've never seen before. 779 00:41:15,642 --> 00:41:20,313 Which is the little back patio, which is actually in the real location. 780 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,192 But Michael Novotny and Steve Brown... 781 00:41:24,359 --> 00:41:28,738 and, really, I can't say enough about our Art Department. 782 00:41:28,905 --> 00:41:32,325 Paula Dal Santo, it's just an incredible group of people. 783 00:41:32,492 --> 00:41:35,286 They built this... They built this set. 784 00:41:35,453 --> 00:41:39,040 And it's actually much more fun to shoot on than the location was. 785 00:41:39,207 --> 00:41:40,708 There's a lot of flexibility. 786 00:41:40,875 --> 00:41:45,213 It's given us some of the most iconic images, like this one, for our season. 787 00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:46,673 I mean, it's just stunning. 788 00:41:46,839 --> 00:41:49,842 I love the tradition of these two characters sharing a cigarette. 789 00:41:50,009 --> 00:41:51,469 That's right. 790 00:41:51,636 --> 00:41:53,846 We're trying to bring back smoking, Mark. 791 00:41:54,931 --> 00:41:57,225 Watch out, Mad Men. 792 00:41:59,268 --> 00:42:01,604 It's not a problem, Giselle. 793 00:42:01,771 --> 00:42:05,233 And if I don't, it's instant jail, right? 794 00:42:06,401 --> 00:42:08,361 Lucky break. 795 00:42:09,529 --> 00:42:12,281 The exterior we, of course, do still use the real location. 796 00:42:12,448 --> 00:42:13,950 - That's right. - But, yeah... 797 00:42:14,117 --> 00:42:16,244 - The front exterior. - The front exterior. 798 00:42:16,411 --> 00:42:18,121 But, yes, it's completely different. 799 00:42:18,287 --> 00:42:21,124 It doesn't look at all like our set anymore. 800 00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:23,584 - They've changed it completely. - Yeah. 801 00:42:25,044 --> 00:42:28,965 And I don't think it's giving anything away to say that we're probably... 802 00:42:29,132 --> 00:42:31,217 never gonna go back... Well, maybe we will. 803 00:42:31,384 --> 00:42:34,387 - Who knows? Who knows? - Never say never. 804 00:42:34,554 --> 00:42:37,974 One condition of the PPD is that my written confession... 805 00:42:38,141 --> 00:42:41,811 is immediately submitted to the New Mexico Bar Association. 806 00:42:43,229 --> 00:42:46,566 And Marshall Adams, who is... 807 00:42:47,191 --> 00:42:49,193 just such an artist. 808 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,281 He does such beautiful, beautiful work here. 809 00:42:53,448 --> 00:42:55,700 And he never wants to admit it. 810 00:42:55,867 --> 00:42:57,702 If you talk to Marshall, he'll always... 811 00:42:57,869 --> 00:43:00,246 If you say something nice, he'll always attribute... 812 00:43:00,413 --> 00:43:04,041 whatever you're observing to someone else, but the truth is, Marshall is... 813 00:43:04,208 --> 00:43:07,086 the real deal. He is just a wonderful DP. 814 00:43:07,253 --> 00:43:10,131 And he has such courage... 815 00:43:10,298 --> 00:43:14,510 because he's letting a lot of these faces go dark. 816 00:43:14,677 --> 00:43:17,430 And not every director of photography... 817 00:43:17,597 --> 00:43:19,849 would have the nerve to do the things he does. 818 00:43:20,016 --> 00:43:23,936 Absolutely. I remember walking the set with him, and I said: 819 00:43:24,103 --> 00:43:27,565 "How do you like silhouettes?" He said, "I love them." I was like, "Done." 820 00:43:27,732 --> 00:43:29,400 "Really? Okay." 821 00:43:29,567 --> 00:43:32,445 It's gonna be him and his cronies versus me. 822 00:43:32,612 --> 00:43:34,989 I tried to pay him a compliment on my way in here. 823 00:43:35,156 --> 00:43:39,118 And he, like, immediately was talking about Paul and Matt, his operators... 824 00:43:39,285 --> 00:43:40,828 who are amazing. 825 00:43:40,995 --> 00:43:43,539 But true to form, he would not accept it. 826 00:43:43,706 --> 00:43:44,916 He has... Yes. 827 00:43:45,082 --> 00:43:46,793 We love you, Marshall. Just own it. 828 00:43:46,959 --> 00:43:48,795 You're brilliant and own it. 829 00:43:48,961 --> 00:43:52,548 I love the way you wrote this and the way they play it... 830 00:43:52,715 --> 00:43:54,759 because he's really asking: 831 00:43:54,926 --> 00:43:56,636 "Why are you sticking with me?" 832 00:43:56,803 --> 00:43:59,639 - But you can't just ask that. - Yeah. 833 00:44:00,807 --> 00:44:03,643 But I feel like it really comes through in their performance. 834 00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:05,603 And it's such a sweet moment. 835 00:44:05,770 --> 00:44:08,606 We don't get a lot of sweet moments with them, you know? 836 00:44:08,773 --> 00:44:10,358 But, yeah, yeah, it's... 837 00:44:10,525 --> 00:44:13,653 I just love this. They're joined together, you know. 838 00:44:13,820 --> 00:44:15,530 I think they play it so well. 839 00:44:15,696 --> 00:44:17,740 Does it mean anything? It looks like a big M. 840 00:44:17,907 --> 00:44:19,242 Yes. 841 00:44:19,408 --> 00:44:21,118 And she's accepting him for who he is. 842 00:44:21,285 --> 00:44:22,662 - M for McGill. - So lovely. 843 00:44:22,829 --> 00:44:25,373 - What a great job, John. - Really fantastic. 844 00:44:25,540 --> 00:44:29,293 Great script, great actors, great cinematography. 845 00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:31,254 - It's a pleasure. - Excellent direction. 846 00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:34,215 All of you, it's such a satisfying episode. 847 00:44:34,382 --> 00:44:36,175 It's got a little bit of everything. 848 00:44:36,342 --> 00:44:41,889 This was an episode that was a big one for me... 849 00:44:42,056 --> 00:44:45,852 because it was the first one that Vince wasn't involved in post on. 850 00:44:46,018 --> 00:44:49,981 And so I did the post by myself completely. 851 00:44:50,147 --> 00:44:52,149 And that was a big deal for me. 852 00:44:52,316 --> 00:44:54,986 - Good job. - Well done. Well done.