1 00:00:03,046 --> 00:00:05,132 Hi, I'm Peter Gould, executive producer. 2 00:00:05,299 --> 00:00:08,552 This is episode 304, "Sabrosito." 3 00:00:08,719 --> 00:00:10,053 "Sabrosito." 4 00:00:10,220 --> 00:00:12,097 This is Tom Schnauz, the director. 5 00:00:12,264 --> 00:00:14,016 This is Jonathan Glatzer, the writer. 6 00:00:14,183 --> 00:00:16,476 This is Sharon Bialy, the casting director. 7 00:00:16,643 --> 00:00:19,146 This is Jennifer Bryan, the costume designer. 8 00:00:19,313 --> 00:00:21,940 And Michael Mando, who plays Nacho. 9 00:00:22,107 --> 00:00:25,777 So much to talk about this episode, but we just saw the red Speedo go by. 10 00:00:26,528 --> 00:00:29,573 With Jennifer Bryan, I think we have to discuss the red Speedo... 11 00:00:29,740 --> 00:00:34,077 - that you designed specifically. - Yes. That was fun, I tell you. 12 00:00:34,244 --> 00:00:37,372 You know what was also a lot of fun was the research. 13 00:00:37,539 --> 00:00:44,421 I found so many pictures of overaged gentlemen... 14 00:00:44,588 --> 00:00:48,467 who should have retired their Speedos a long time ago. 15 00:00:48,634 --> 00:00:51,637 - Not that Steven Bauer's one of those. - Not that he's one... 16 00:00:51,803 --> 00:00:57,017 but it was an inspiration. So we actually custom-made that for him. 17 00:00:57,184 --> 00:00:58,435 So, yeah, that was fun. 18 00:00:58,602 --> 00:01:00,562 I would totally wear that Speedo. 19 00:01:00,729 --> 00:01:02,105 Yeah, I wanna bring it back. 20 00:01:02,272 --> 00:01:04,524 - Think about it. Season four. - Oh, yeah. 21 00:01:04,691 --> 00:01:06,777 The whole season you should be in that Speedo. 22 00:01:06,944 --> 00:01:09,780 Yeah. It's ironic because we're all wearing Speedos right now. 23 00:01:09,947 --> 00:01:11,907 - Yes. Different colours. - We hoard those. 24 00:01:12,074 --> 00:01:15,535 So we have this return to the hacienda, south of the border... 25 00:01:15,702 --> 00:01:20,415 which was made famous in episodes 408 and 410 of Breaking Bad. 26 00:01:20,582 --> 00:01:24,336 And this regathering of all these great characters... 27 00:01:24,503 --> 00:01:28,423 of course, Steven Bauer, and we have Hector Salamanca... 28 00:01:28,590 --> 00:01:32,886 and the man we saw killed in episode 210. 29 00:01:33,053 --> 00:01:34,221 That's right, yeah. 30 00:01:34,388 --> 00:01:37,224 Manuel Uriza, who plays Ximenez, is back. 31 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,352 Who was terrific. 32 00:01:40,519 --> 00:01:44,523 It was... I was told it was 30 degrees that day. 33 00:01:44,690 --> 00:01:46,858 I was running around in a T-shirt, so I... 34 00:01:47,025 --> 00:01:49,403 I think a good directing tip for people out there... 35 00:01:49,569 --> 00:01:54,366 is to get a good layer of... A thick layer of fat on your body and body hair. 36 00:01:55,158 --> 00:01:57,911 Anybody coming out of film school should do that right away. 37 00:01:58,328 --> 00:02:00,330 Did you design a Speedo for Thomas as well? 38 00:02:00,497 --> 00:02:03,083 Yes, I did, but his is fur-lined, so he could stay warm. 39 00:02:03,250 --> 00:02:05,335 So it was really cold... 40 00:02:05,502 --> 00:02:08,797 and Steven Bauer was jumping in and out of the swimming pool... 41 00:02:08,964 --> 00:02:11,800 and then being sprayed down between takes... 42 00:02:11,967 --> 00:02:14,678 so it looked like he just came out of the pool... 43 00:02:14,845 --> 00:02:17,556 so he was an amazing trouper. 44 00:02:17,723 --> 00:02:19,391 He didn't complain once. 45 00:02:19,558 --> 00:02:24,146 He was always worried, "Do I look cold on film?" Which is fine. 46 00:02:24,313 --> 00:02:28,900 I mean, he just came out of a pool, so it could be part of the character there. 47 00:02:29,067 --> 00:02:31,361 You did have to edit around some teeth chattering. 48 00:02:31,528 --> 00:02:33,822 - There was some teeth chattering. - Here and there. 49 00:02:33,989 --> 00:02:36,658 It really was. I think he was so game... 50 00:02:36,825 --> 00:02:40,078 and such a trouper and never complained. 51 00:02:40,245 --> 00:02:43,540 It was extraordinary. 52 00:02:44,207 --> 00:02:46,376 And we had to edit the hell out of this. 53 00:02:46,543 --> 00:02:51,340 This was a much longer scene and poor Mark Margolis does not speak Spanish. 54 00:02:51,798 --> 00:02:55,218 We had some cue cards which didn't quite work... 55 00:02:55,385 --> 00:02:59,348 because we'd see his eyes moving and then we had an Earwig... 56 00:02:59,514 --> 00:03:01,474 which wasn't working because there was a delay. 57 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,769 He just soldiered through and he just... 58 00:03:04,603 --> 00:03:08,190 Repeating the lines over and over until he got them. 59 00:03:08,357 --> 00:03:10,734 So Mark did an amazing job. 60 00:03:10,901 --> 00:03:13,945 And it's also, you know, we get to see... Which we've seen before. 61 00:03:14,112 --> 00:03:15,655 We get to see young Hector. 62 00:03:15,822 --> 00:03:19,618 You know, Hector, you know, this is Hector a few years earlier. 63 00:03:19,785 --> 00:03:21,953 He seems a little bit even more expressive... 64 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,625 than the Hector we see in our contemporary Better Call Saul. 65 00:03:26,792 --> 00:03:30,087 We've seen this guy at so many different ages and levels of ability. 66 00:03:30,253 --> 00:03:31,505 It's kind of amazing. 67 00:03:31,671 --> 00:03:33,965 Yeah, for people at home who are keeping score... 68 00:03:34,132 --> 00:03:38,470 this takes place around 1999-ish, we think. 69 00:03:38,637 --> 00:03:40,931 So he's already killed... 70 00:03:41,098 --> 00:03:45,477 In this scene, he's already killed Gus's good friend, Max. 71 00:03:45,644 --> 00:03:46,728 That's right. This is... 72 00:03:46,895 --> 00:03:50,982 We return to the scene where Max took a bullet in the head from Hector. 73 00:03:51,149 --> 00:03:53,902 We're right... We're standing almost in the spot. 74 00:03:54,069 --> 00:03:57,656 The final shot of the teaser where you see Hector's foot... 75 00:03:57,823 --> 00:04:00,992 is pretty close to where Max took a bullet in the head. 76 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:08,166 So this is 1999 and episode three ends in what year, 2003, '04? 77 00:04:08,333 --> 00:04:10,752 - Episode... - I mean, season three, it takes place... 78 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:13,380 - It's 2003 or '04. It's 2003. - Three, I think. 79 00:04:13,547 --> 00:04:16,633 - Yeah. - 2003, and Breaking Bad starts in 2008. 80 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,969 - Seven. - Seven. 81 00:04:19,761 --> 00:04:22,889 - Hey, we're getting up there. - And we're in 2017? 82 00:04:23,056 --> 00:04:25,684 We're getting close. So we're recording this... 83 00:04:25,851 --> 00:04:27,310 I'm sorry. 84 00:04:27,477 --> 00:04:29,771 We're recording this commentary in 2017. 85 00:04:29,938 --> 00:04:31,940 So, Sharon, though, you have, here's... 86 00:04:32,107 --> 00:04:35,026 This is like Sharon's greatest hits out here... 87 00:04:35,193 --> 00:04:38,280 - because you cast all these folks. - Yeah. Juan Bolsa? 88 00:04:38,447 --> 00:04:41,116 - Yes. - All these folks and all different... 89 00:04:41,283 --> 00:04:43,410 Some of them years and years apart. 90 00:04:43,577 --> 00:04:47,497 Is it challenging to get them all to come back? 91 00:04:47,664 --> 00:04:49,207 Not for this. 92 00:04:49,374 --> 00:04:54,421 I think they wait for the call to come back to Better Call Saul. 93 00:04:54,588 --> 00:04:59,092 In fact, we get calls from them, from their representatives early on... 94 00:04:59,259 --> 00:05:03,305 saying, "Any plans for, you know, somebody to... Steven to come back?" 95 00:05:03,472 --> 00:05:05,265 "And any plans for Mark to come back?" 96 00:05:05,432 --> 00:05:08,351 You know, they all wanna be part of the world. 97 00:05:08,518 --> 00:05:11,521 We check really early because we hear from the writers' room... 98 00:05:11,688 --> 00:05:13,408 when they're thinking about it because... 99 00:05:13,565 --> 00:05:15,400 you know, these guys all work a lot. 100 00:05:15,567 --> 00:05:17,986 So it can be challenging to carve out... 101 00:05:18,153 --> 00:05:22,240 from whatever they're involved in presently to get them to come. 102 00:05:22,407 --> 00:05:27,287 And especially for Mark Margolis, who has quite a few episodes in the season... 103 00:05:27,454 --> 00:05:32,626 to carve it out, but they're happy campers on this show... 104 00:05:32,792 --> 00:05:35,962 - so they really wanna come back. - Well, they're tremendous. 105 00:05:36,129 --> 00:05:39,966 And, of course, Steven and Mark go way, way back to Scarface. 106 00:05:40,133 --> 00:05:42,177 - Scarface, right? - Yep. 107 00:05:42,344 --> 00:05:44,763 There's a lot of Scarface reunions on this show. 108 00:05:44,930 --> 00:05:47,015 Tuco's mother is Scarface's mother from... 109 00:05:47,182 --> 00:05:49,142 - Excellent. That's right. - That's right. 110 00:05:49,309 --> 00:05:52,604 I go back a really long time with each of those actors... 111 00:05:52,771 --> 00:05:57,901 because one of my first jobs in television was the casting assistant... 112 00:05:58,068 --> 00:06:00,070 - on Crime Story. - Oh, yeah. 113 00:06:00,237 --> 00:06:03,740 I was the L.A. person helping out Bonnie Timmermann in New York. 114 00:06:03,907 --> 00:06:04,991 He was in that. 115 00:06:05,158 --> 00:06:08,745 And my first movie of the week, I think it was, or movie for HBO... 116 00:06:08,912 --> 00:06:14,501 was called Descending Angel, and Mark Margolis was in that in 1990. 117 00:06:14,668 --> 00:06:18,797 So it's really nice to see them... 118 00:06:19,297 --> 00:06:22,133 at the top of their game, you know, years and years later. 119 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:24,052 - And they keep getting better. - Yep. 120 00:06:24,219 --> 00:06:26,137 It's one of the delights of this show... 121 00:06:26,304 --> 00:06:29,558 is getting these performers back together... 122 00:06:29,724 --> 00:06:32,852 that we haven't seen, sometimes, in many years. 123 00:06:33,019 --> 00:06:37,232 But Albuquerque's a great place for meeting old friends. 124 00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:39,442 But this was a very complicated scene, Tom... 125 00:06:39,609 --> 00:06:41,695 and also what about that underwater shot... 126 00:06:41,861 --> 00:06:43,572 that started off the episode? 127 00:06:43,738 --> 00:06:46,199 Did you have to get underwater with, like, your...? 128 00:06:46,366 --> 00:06:47,659 I did not get in the water. 129 00:06:47,826 --> 00:06:51,746 But they had wetsuits on, and our lovely producers were able... 130 00:06:51,913 --> 00:06:55,709 to get me a Sunday day of shooting and setup... 131 00:06:55,875 --> 00:06:57,627 specifically for underwater shots. 132 00:06:57,794 --> 00:07:02,007 So we had costumes and set dressing and, you know... 133 00:07:02,173 --> 00:07:05,552 just come out on a Sunday and dress these guys. 134 00:07:05,719 --> 00:07:08,346 We were able to do rehearsals that day but in addition... 135 00:07:08,513 --> 00:07:09,806 put a camera in the pool. 136 00:07:09,973 --> 00:07:15,103 And while the light was correct, get a shot of.... 137 00:07:15,645 --> 00:07:17,856 Of Eladio diving in the pool... 138 00:07:18,023 --> 00:07:21,234 and then Hector here waiting for this final shot. 139 00:07:21,735 --> 00:07:23,695 It's... It's just from... 140 00:07:23,862 --> 00:07:27,616 As a fellow director, this is an incredibly complicated sequence... 141 00:07:27,782 --> 00:07:29,784 - that you just... That we just saw. - Well... 142 00:07:29,951 --> 00:07:33,204 There's so many characters, so much movement, they're speaking... 143 00:07:33,371 --> 00:07:36,583 Some of them are speaking languages that they don't really speak. 144 00:07:36,750 --> 00:07:40,629 It's just... We really gave... We handed you a tough one. 145 00:07:40,795 --> 00:07:43,840 It was a crazy day. The scene was probably a minute or two... 146 00:07:44,007 --> 00:07:48,345 longer than we see on-screen. We ended up shaving it down just to.... 147 00:07:48,511 --> 00:07:51,306 Because the episode... All these episodes run long... 148 00:07:51,473 --> 00:07:56,019 and we needed to make cuts, and then the teaser was one place we had to trim. 149 00:07:56,186 --> 00:07:59,564 I wanted to give a shout-out to Cheri and Ashlynne, our make-up people. 150 00:07:59,731 --> 00:08:00,982 - Yeah. - They do so... 151 00:08:01,149 --> 00:08:04,694 I sometimes sit in the make-up room and I watch her work on Hector, on Mark... 152 00:08:04,861 --> 00:08:08,239 and all the other characters and make them look younger. 153 00:08:08,406 --> 00:08:12,035 And they do such subtle, amazing work with that. 154 00:08:12,202 --> 00:08:14,204 So they're really, really great. 155 00:08:14,371 --> 00:08:17,582 They're gonna do Sherry and I for the Emmys. 156 00:08:19,167 --> 00:08:21,336 No, you don't need it. 157 00:08:23,046 --> 00:08:26,841 So there's Jonathan Banks, and Marshall moved a set of police lights... 158 00:08:27,008 --> 00:08:29,177 - up to the car to get that reflection. - Nice. 159 00:08:29,344 --> 00:08:32,597 We were trying to get something on Jonathan's face here... 160 00:08:32,764 --> 00:08:36,059 but you could just see it in the middle of the car. 161 00:08:36,226 --> 00:08:38,645 That location was quite extraordinary, right? 162 00:08:38,812 --> 00:08:40,855 The junkyard. 163 00:08:41,022 --> 00:08:42,524 Yeah, very interesting place. 164 00:08:42,691 --> 00:08:46,695 That's where Nacho and Tuco... Nacho and Mike planned the Tuco... 165 00:08:47,654 --> 00:08:50,615 The Tuco scene in season two, episode four. 166 00:08:50,782 --> 00:08:52,867 - They have the conversation in front... - Right. 167 00:08:53,034 --> 00:08:55,078 - Right across from the ice cream shop. - Yeah. 168 00:08:55,245 --> 00:08:58,748 You're absolutely right. It's... Well, that's the area there. 169 00:08:58,915 --> 00:09:01,000 And it's... It's actually... 170 00:09:01,167 --> 00:09:03,336 I thought it was across from... It's the other... 171 00:09:03,503 --> 00:09:05,672 - Oh, no, you're right. - That's up the street. 172 00:09:05,839 --> 00:09:07,549 Yeah, you're right. That's different. 173 00:09:07,716 --> 00:09:11,010 This is actually kind of... It's kind of an artsy... An artsy... 174 00:09:11,177 --> 00:09:13,680 - Yeah, metalworking. - Metalworking place... 175 00:09:13,847 --> 00:09:16,808 run by some very nice people who are armed. 176 00:09:16,975 --> 00:09:19,352 And I did not mean to call it a junkyard. That was... 177 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:20,937 It was an artsy junkyard. 178 00:09:21,104 --> 00:09:22,564 We're playing it as a junkyard. 179 00:09:22,731 --> 00:09:24,899 That's a real ice cream store, the one... Right? 180 00:09:25,066 --> 00:09:27,527 - Yes. - And it's... We had ice cream there. 181 00:09:27,694 --> 00:09:28,820 It's delicious. 182 00:09:28,987 --> 00:09:34,743 And those people are very, very nice, and they are not running a drug... 183 00:09:34,909 --> 00:09:38,079 Any kind of drug operation there. 184 00:09:38,246 --> 00:09:41,499 The Mouse That Roared. That's what they're watching on-screen. 185 00:09:41,666 --> 00:09:43,960 Which was tricky. It was tricky to find something. 186 00:09:44,127 --> 00:09:46,963 Jonathan, we went through a lot trying to figure out... 187 00:09:47,130 --> 00:09:48,590 what they could be watching. 188 00:09:48,757 --> 00:09:51,176 Find something that both Mike and Kaylee would enjoy. 189 00:09:51,342 --> 00:09:53,386 - That we could afford. - Yeah. 190 00:09:53,553 --> 00:09:55,513 That we could afford, right. 191 00:09:58,266 --> 00:10:00,018 This is a sweet little scene. 192 00:10:00,185 --> 00:10:06,065 Mike's psychology is so interesting because he really has no one to talk to. 193 00:10:06,232 --> 00:10:10,236 There's no one he opens up to or... 194 00:10:10,987 --> 00:10:14,657 tells what's really going on with his inner life... 195 00:10:14,824 --> 00:10:17,202 and so we have to read it in here. 196 00:10:17,368 --> 00:10:20,163 And you would think he'd be pretty happy at this point... 197 00:10:20,330 --> 00:10:23,291 because he has successfully destroyed... 198 00:10:23,458 --> 00:10:26,586 Hector's ice cream shop operation... 199 00:10:26,753 --> 00:10:28,379 once and for all. He's... 200 00:10:28,546 --> 00:10:31,633 You would think it's satisfying, but something is nagging at him. 201 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,261 Yeah, he's just... That guy's never satisfied. 202 00:10:35,428 --> 00:10:37,263 It's indigestion. 203 00:10:37,430 --> 00:10:38,473 Good. 204 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:39,933 He's lactose intolerant. 205 00:10:40,099 --> 00:10:41,935 That's why he's not eating ice cream. 206 00:10:42,101 --> 00:10:45,897 Shout-out to Kerry. I saw Kerry, I ran into her three days ago. 207 00:10:46,064 --> 00:10:48,274 I was so happy to see her. 208 00:10:48,441 --> 00:10:51,820 Did you run into her at the premiere of your multi-billion-dollar movie? 209 00:10:51,986 --> 00:10:53,655 Big Spider-Man movie? 210 00:10:53,822 --> 00:10:55,490 - Possibly. - Spider-Mando. 211 00:10:55,657 --> 00:10:57,367 - Spider-Mando. - Wait. Look who's here. 212 00:10:57,534 --> 00:10:59,494 - Oh, there he is. - There he is. 213 00:10:59,661 --> 00:11:02,705 - There he is. - Debut of season four. That's right. 214 00:11:02,872 --> 00:11:05,458 We waited until episode four to see you, Michael. 215 00:11:05,625 --> 00:11:08,169 I know. I thought you guys killed me off or something. 216 00:11:08,336 --> 00:11:11,005 But this is actually a really, really interesting scene... 217 00:11:11,172 --> 00:11:14,342 because we kind of... We... It was interesting for the actors... 218 00:11:14,509 --> 00:11:18,221 and for the background performers, because we were in a third dimension. 219 00:11:18,388 --> 00:11:20,890 There's, like, the dimension that you're in reality... 220 00:11:21,057 --> 00:11:23,518 where we're actors. Then there's the dimension... 221 00:11:23,685 --> 00:11:26,521 where we're actually in the story. There's the dimension... 222 00:11:26,688 --> 00:11:30,191 where the background performers are also fans of the show... 223 00:11:30,358 --> 00:11:32,986 and a lot of them are not professional actors. 224 00:11:33,152 --> 00:11:37,490 And so it was interesting to literally look at them and break that fourth wall... 225 00:11:37,657 --> 00:11:41,995 and know that the audience is somehow becoming a part of the story. 226 00:11:42,370 --> 00:11:44,914 This is Harrison Thomas playing Lyle. 227 00:11:46,541 --> 00:11:49,878 He's great. He was great in The Stanford Prison Experiment. 228 00:11:50,044 --> 00:11:51,880 - Yeah, he's terrific. - He's wonderful. 229 00:11:52,046 --> 00:11:56,259 Did not recognise him for some time, actually, in The Stanford.... 230 00:11:57,594 --> 00:12:02,098 He's good. This is another scene that was much longer on the page... 231 00:12:02,265 --> 00:12:03,474 than appears on-screen. 232 00:12:03,641 --> 00:12:07,478 Are you referring to the scene where I speak that you cut, Thomas? 233 00:12:07,645 --> 00:12:09,939 - That's part of it, yes. - Thank you very much. 234 00:12:10,648 --> 00:12:13,735 Having said all that, you can see, and I believe you'll... 235 00:12:13,902 --> 00:12:16,195 - The extended version of this scene... - Oh, good. 236 00:12:16,362 --> 00:12:20,241 Is available on whatever media you're watching this in the future. 237 00:12:20,408 --> 00:12:21,451 - Great. - Excellent. 238 00:12:21,618 --> 00:12:26,706 I know, it was a painful cut and one of those things where it was a lot of fun. 239 00:12:26,873 --> 00:12:30,209 Hector goes through the restaurant and kind of belittles customers... 240 00:12:30,376 --> 00:12:32,378 - until they all clear out and... - Yes. 241 00:12:32,545 --> 00:12:35,465 But as we were going through, needing to make cuts... 242 00:12:35,632 --> 00:12:39,886 we felt, "Oh, well, this, we tell the same story where we cut it off... 243 00:12:40,053 --> 00:12:42,013 - as opposed to showing." - It does work. 244 00:12:42,180 --> 00:12:44,807 Someone asked me what got cut and I said: 245 00:12:44,974 --> 00:12:46,893 "He threatened somebody with a curly fry." 246 00:12:47,060 --> 00:12:49,812 And I realised you just have to see it. There's no way to... 247 00:12:50,229 --> 00:12:54,400 And it's great, and I have to say, I think it's worth.... 248 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,072 Hopefully you get to play the deleted scenes that go with this season... 249 00:12:59,238 --> 00:13:02,325 because this season has wonderful extended and deleted scenes... 250 00:13:02,492 --> 00:13:04,827 and that's one of them. 251 00:13:05,745 --> 00:13:09,374 We tried... You know, it's interesting. It's a difficult discipline... 252 00:13:09,540 --> 00:13:14,003 to try to keep these episodes down to time, and we were.... 253 00:13:14,504 --> 00:13:17,048 You'll see as the season goes on, maybe we did... 254 00:13:17,215 --> 00:13:19,550 The episodes expand further and further. 255 00:13:20,677 --> 00:13:23,763 We'll have to see if we can get that under control for season four. 256 00:13:23,930 --> 00:13:25,974 It's interesting because in this episode... 257 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:31,020 Jimmy doesn't show up for some time, and he always brings the pace. 258 00:13:31,896 --> 00:13:33,106 - Bob does. - That's true. 259 00:13:33,272 --> 00:13:35,191 And so that could be... 260 00:13:36,401 --> 00:13:37,986 - Could be part of it. - That's true. 261 00:13:38,152 --> 00:13:41,656 Our cartel Gus world breathes a little differently. 262 00:13:41,823 --> 00:13:43,157 Yeah. 263 00:13:43,324 --> 00:13:46,411 There's so much tension in this scene. You think that: 264 00:13:46,577 --> 00:13:49,205 "Oh, my God, I'd never wanna go into a fast-food place... 265 00:13:49,372 --> 00:13:53,418 and experience this kind of tension. 266 00:13:54,002 --> 00:13:56,004 - Yeah, what a nightmare. - Yeah. 267 00:13:56,170 --> 00:13:59,257 Not just for underwriting our travel raffle.... 268 00:13:59,841 --> 00:14:01,676 Now, what is this location here? 269 00:14:01,843 --> 00:14:04,178 This is, for all you Breaking Bad fans... 270 00:14:04,345 --> 00:14:08,433 the firehouse where Walter White left baby Holly... 271 00:14:08,599 --> 00:14:11,436 in the episode "Ozymandias." 272 00:14:12,395 --> 00:14:15,106 So I don't know how you could possibly tell that... 273 00:14:15,273 --> 00:14:18,443 but it is the same. It's the same one. 274 00:14:18,609 --> 00:14:21,988 It's... You know, someday there'll be a map. 275 00:14:22,155 --> 00:14:27,368 There'll be a tourist map they'll sell in Albuquerque. 276 00:14:27,535 --> 00:14:28,578 Someday. 277 00:14:28,745 --> 00:14:32,040 Did you do anything different with Gus's costume in this return or...? 278 00:14:32,206 --> 00:14:35,209 - How close is he to his Breaking Bad...? - Very, very close. 279 00:14:35,376 --> 00:14:41,132 Actually, for Gus's manager uniform, and also for the staff... 280 00:14:41,299 --> 00:14:45,595 I had to... The original Pollos Hermanos uniforms... 281 00:14:45,762 --> 00:14:48,014 had somewhat disappeared. 282 00:14:48,181 --> 00:14:52,560 So I had to do quite a bit of research to sort of match the same yellow... 283 00:14:52,727 --> 00:14:56,314 but just slightly, so that there was a little passage of time. 284 00:14:56,481 --> 00:14:57,982 So we made slight tweaks. 285 00:14:58,149 --> 00:15:04,363 I think this shirt is maybe not as intense a yellow as his first one... 286 00:15:04,530 --> 00:15:06,199 as the Breaking Bad. 287 00:15:06,365 --> 00:15:11,996 So, you know, uniforms, they go through evolution so I tried to show that here. 288 00:15:12,914 --> 00:15:18,878 This is the first time that I got to see Giancarlo as Gus, being Nacho. 289 00:15:19,045 --> 00:15:20,963 And I have to say that I... 290 00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:25,009 Looking into Giancarlo's eyes as Gus was terrifying. 291 00:15:25,176 --> 00:15:29,430 I remember when he passes by me, the first thought that I had was... 292 00:15:29,597 --> 00:15:32,100 this guy has people chained in his basement. 293 00:15:33,976 --> 00:15:36,104 Honest to God, it's what I felt. 294 00:15:36,270 --> 00:15:41,400 I was just like, "Man, it's, like, basement heavy." 295 00:15:42,151 --> 00:15:44,112 Interesting, because he gets.... 296 00:15:44,278 --> 00:15:47,073 He gets sort of stepped on, or he seems to get stepped on... 297 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,534 - It's in the eyes. - By Hector in this scene. 298 00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:52,787 - You'll see it in the... - It's that shark thing where it just turns. 299 00:15:52,954 --> 00:15:57,750 You just see it in the eyes right there, when he turns around and looks at you... 300 00:15:57,917 --> 00:16:02,130 you can just... You just know this guy is capable of... 301 00:16:02,713 --> 00:16:05,049 serious damage, right there. 302 00:16:05,216 --> 00:16:06,342 - Like right there. - Yeah. 303 00:16:06,509 --> 00:16:10,179 And Michael Novotny did a great job of recreating... 304 00:16:10,346 --> 00:16:15,601 the Pollos Hermanos, which is actually a Twisters restaurant in Albuquerque... 305 00:16:15,768 --> 00:16:18,312 but it looks a little bit different in real life. 306 00:16:18,479 --> 00:16:20,356 - They had to rebuild this office. - Right. 307 00:16:20,523 --> 00:16:22,483 - Which is on stage. - That's right. 308 00:16:22,650 --> 00:16:25,736 I love Marshall's lighting here. This is.... 309 00:16:26,195 --> 00:16:27,321 Yes. 310 00:16:27,488 --> 00:16:29,198 You know, we see this on the page... 311 00:16:29,365 --> 00:16:33,035 that Hector has shit on the bottom of a shoe. 312 00:16:33,202 --> 00:16:36,998 So you have to start working with Props, like, "Well, how does the shit look like? 313 00:16:37,165 --> 00:16:39,083 Is it wet? Is it dry? How thick is it? 314 00:16:39,250 --> 00:16:41,627 Does it crumble off?" 315 00:16:42,503 --> 00:16:45,006 Did you guys decide that in the writers' room? Was it...? 316 00:16:45,173 --> 00:16:46,382 We did go through with... 317 00:16:46,549 --> 00:16:48,176 - the wording of it. - Squirrel? Dog? 318 00:16:48,342 --> 00:16:49,844 - Really? - We wanted... We wanted... 319 00:16:50,011 --> 00:16:52,763 - We ended up saying gunk because... - It's not squirrel shit. 320 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:54,140 We didn't want it to be... 321 00:16:54,307 --> 00:16:56,267 - so obviously shit. - Yeah. 322 00:16:56,434 --> 00:16:59,437 But we did want some grass in there as well. 323 00:16:59,604 --> 00:17:02,023 - Look at that. - You wanna leave a bit to imagination. 324 00:17:02,190 --> 00:17:03,232 That's right. 325 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:05,985 It's a mixture. We thought this would drive Gus crazy... 326 00:17:06,152 --> 00:17:12,158 to have this guy just... What an insult. This is on his desk. 327 00:17:12,325 --> 00:17:14,744 Don't you just love those huaraches, you know? 328 00:17:14,911 --> 00:17:19,207 - Great shoes. - Great. Just great shoes. 329 00:17:19,373 --> 00:17:21,709 - And of course red. - Yes. 330 00:17:21,876 --> 00:17:25,379 And Mark, what a trouper, because he... This guy, he quit smoking. 331 00:17:25,546 --> 00:17:27,465 - That's right. - A year or two ago. 332 00:17:27,632 --> 00:17:28,841 I forget how long ago. 333 00:17:29,008 --> 00:17:31,677 But we're... You know, us bunch of dumb-asses... 334 00:17:31,844 --> 00:17:33,221 asking him to smoke again. 335 00:17:33,387 --> 00:17:35,556 "Please, can you please smoke the cigar again?" 336 00:17:35,723 --> 00:17:38,309 Just terrible but, you know, he did it. 337 00:17:38,476 --> 00:17:42,021 It was not easy for him, but he was very nice to do it. 338 00:17:42,188 --> 00:17:45,733 We omitted the cigar from the rest of the season once we knew... 339 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:48,110 - that this was tough for him. - Yep. 340 00:17:48,277 --> 00:17:50,571 We just found ways of writing around it. 341 00:17:50,738 --> 00:17:53,574 We had the same problem with Aaron Paul, actually. 342 00:17:53,741 --> 00:17:56,160 Aaron quit smoking in the course... 343 00:17:56,327 --> 00:17:58,162 - Season four or so. - In Breaking Bad... 344 00:17:58,329 --> 00:18:01,707 and that was one of Jesse's signature moves, was to smoke. 345 00:18:01,874 --> 00:18:05,461 And so we had to find a way around it, which, you know... 346 00:18:05,628 --> 00:18:10,341 obviously we want our cast to be comfortable at all times. 347 00:18:10,508 --> 00:18:13,594 I just love seeing these guys together. 348 00:18:14,053 --> 00:18:15,304 So good. 349 00:18:15,471 --> 00:18:20,059 They... Backstage after this, they sang "Happy Birthday" to my son. 350 00:18:20,226 --> 00:18:21,560 It was fantastic. 351 00:18:24,855 --> 00:18:27,525 Two meth kingpins singing "Happy Birthday" to your son. 352 00:18:27,692 --> 00:18:28,734 That's awesome. 353 00:18:28,901 --> 00:18:32,530 In 15 or so years, he'll realise how incredibly cool that was. 354 00:18:32,697 --> 00:18:34,699 - I hope you got it on tape. - I did. 355 00:18:34,865 --> 00:18:37,702 - Or on... - I love the use of all the red. 356 00:18:37,868 --> 00:18:44,333 The red in the shoes, the red, you know, that pops all these different places. 357 00:18:44,500 --> 00:18:47,128 - It's really fabulous. - There's a colour coding, you know. 358 00:18:47,295 --> 00:18:49,714 - Right, Jennifer? Red is criminal. - Yes, there is. 359 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,215 - Yeah. - Blue is lawyers. 360 00:18:51,382 --> 00:18:55,219 What's the...? Is there another kind of specific code that means something? 361 00:18:55,386 --> 00:18:59,598 Well, yes, there's... I did this kind of... 362 00:18:59,765 --> 00:19:02,727 If you remember back to a previous season with the Kettlemans... 363 00:19:02,893 --> 00:19:06,856 this orange which was sort of a typical colour for the Southwest. 364 00:19:07,023 --> 00:19:10,693 And it's for the people who get caught in the net... 365 00:19:10,860 --> 00:19:15,865 you know, they're sort of like on the border of being good guy, bad guy. 366 00:19:16,365 --> 00:19:20,202 So I picked orange as that kind of like indeterminate colour... 367 00:19:20,369 --> 00:19:24,582 of you could either buy this person, go that way or the other way. 368 00:19:24,749 --> 00:19:28,669 So the Kettlemans in season two are in orange, yeah. 369 00:19:47,188 --> 00:19:49,940 The next booth scene that... 370 00:19:50,107 --> 00:19:52,360 We had a water truck wet down the streets. 371 00:19:52,526 --> 00:19:54,362 - That's right. I was there. - And as... 372 00:19:54,528 --> 00:19:57,531 Yeah, as the fellow was turning the corner past the booth... 373 00:19:57,698 --> 00:20:01,535 to go wet down the street, his sleeve or something hooked the release... 374 00:20:01,702 --> 00:20:07,124 and unloaded hundreds of gallons of water onto our A camera. 375 00:20:07,291 --> 00:20:08,584 - Oh, my... - And our crew. 376 00:20:08,751 --> 00:20:09,877 They were just drenched. 377 00:20:10,044 --> 00:20:13,881 I mean, I just stood there in shock, just like, "Oh, my God." 378 00:20:14,048 --> 00:20:15,716 And just doused the camera. 379 00:20:15,883 --> 00:20:20,012 Luckily, they dried everything off and it all was fine. 380 00:20:20,179 --> 00:20:21,680 - Right. - But it's just, you know... 381 00:20:21,847 --> 00:20:22,848 these things just... 382 00:20:23,015 --> 00:20:25,226 - Things happen. - And, again, it's wintertime. 383 00:20:25,393 --> 00:20:28,354 - It was chilly. Yeah. - It was November and very chilly. 384 00:20:28,521 --> 00:20:31,899 And I think there were some scenes where it was so cold that, you know... 385 00:20:32,066 --> 00:20:34,944 Jonathan Banks wanted to wear a hat. 386 00:20:35,111 --> 00:20:36,237 - Yes. - And you see it. 387 00:20:36,404 --> 00:20:40,616 There's, like, a red mark on his forehead because the hat was a little too tight. 388 00:20:40,783 --> 00:20:43,327 - So... - Thomas, is that really yellow, the light? 389 00:20:43,494 --> 00:20:45,496 - No, they recreated... - Is the light yellow? 390 00:20:45,663 --> 00:20:47,623 The set lights that they add are yellow. 391 00:20:47,790 --> 00:20:50,543 But when you go to the location, there aren't yellow lights. 392 00:20:50,709 --> 00:20:53,421 So did you guys...? Is that in post or were there actually...? 393 00:20:53,587 --> 00:20:54,839 No, that's Marshall's crew. 394 00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:59,301 Steve Litecky and the guys put up yellow-tinted lights or would... 395 00:20:59,468 --> 00:21:01,887 - Would filter the lights. - It's so beautiful. 396 00:21:02,054 --> 00:21:05,975 Yeah, they... Marshall added some lights above the booth this season... 397 00:21:06,142 --> 00:21:09,186 so it looks different from previous seasons. It looks great. 398 00:21:09,353 --> 00:21:13,023 This monologue always reminds me of the opening of The Godfather I. 399 00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:15,317 - Yeah. - You know? 400 00:21:30,374 --> 00:21:32,543 I was in London for the past four months... 401 00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:36,172 and I felt disconnected from this, I listened to a podcast, Fresh Air... 402 00:21:36,338 --> 00:21:39,592 with Giancarlo, and they played this speech. 403 00:21:39,758 --> 00:21:41,427 Terry Gross went off... 404 00:21:41,594 --> 00:21:44,388 about how great it was and she could listen to it all the time. 405 00:21:44,555 --> 00:21:46,515 And I... It was... 406 00:21:46,682 --> 00:21:48,684 I think it might be the peak of my life. 407 00:21:49,393 --> 00:21:51,812 - You did an amazing job, honestly. - That's wonderful. 408 00:21:51,979 --> 00:21:54,315 - Thank you. Thank you. - Beautiful, beautiful work. 409 00:21:54,482 --> 00:21:56,775 I think it's something about Terry Gross. 410 00:21:56,942 --> 00:22:01,030 And the background performers are so great in creating the mood of... 411 00:22:01,197 --> 00:22:04,033 This is something, Tom, you always do such a wonderful... 412 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,244 I mean, I don't wanna embarrass you, Tom... 413 00:22:07,411 --> 00:22:12,291 but your selection of... The casting of the extras... 414 00:22:12,458 --> 00:22:16,212 of everyone in this episode, but also in episode seven... 415 00:22:16,378 --> 00:22:18,339 it's outstanding. You have a wonderful eye. 416 00:22:18,506 --> 00:22:22,009 I actually had a conversation with Kelley Dixon about you. 417 00:22:22,176 --> 00:22:27,515 And Kelley expressed frustration because your footage is so beautiful... 418 00:22:27,681 --> 00:22:31,810 that she doesn't... It's not obvious which way you intended it to cut. 419 00:22:31,977 --> 00:22:35,064 So, you know, usually there's only one way to get away... 420 00:22:35,231 --> 00:22:37,650 Get through a scene, and with you there's many ways. 421 00:22:37,816 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaking of Kelley Dixon, obviously, she, if you saw the opening credits... 422 00:22:41,487 --> 00:22:44,532 she cut this episode and she does a fantastic job. 423 00:22:44,698 --> 00:22:47,576 - She's so masterful. - It wasn't an easy thing to do because... 424 00:22:47,743 --> 00:22:51,830 this was a very long episode, and we lopped out scenes... 425 00:22:51,997 --> 00:22:55,626 and you watch it, I don't think you feel it. 426 00:22:55,793 --> 00:22:58,379 You don't feel the hurt that some of us feel... 427 00:22:58,546 --> 00:23:01,257 because we know what was originally in there. 428 00:23:01,423 --> 00:23:04,385 Yeah, there... But you know what especially hurts, Tom, though... 429 00:23:04,552 --> 00:23:07,555 is that we omitted people who we cast. 430 00:23:07,721 --> 00:23:09,348 Yeah, that is the toughest part. 431 00:23:09,515 --> 00:23:13,060 And if you listen to the podcast that goes along with this episode... 432 00:23:13,227 --> 00:23:16,564 we discuss that in a little bit more detail, but... 433 00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:20,651 And nobody got cut out because they weren't good. 434 00:23:20,818 --> 00:23:23,571 It's just because we're trying to bring things down to time. 435 00:23:23,737 --> 00:23:25,864 But this really is, to my eye... 436 00:23:26,031 --> 00:23:29,076 this is one of Giancarlo's great moments this season. 437 00:23:29,243 --> 00:23:30,786 I just love this. 438 00:23:30,953 --> 00:23:32,663 I wanna... I have a question for you guys. 439 00:23:32,830 --> 00:23:37,167 How sincere is Gus in this moment? 440 00:23:37,334 --> 00:23:38,627 What do you think? 441 00:23:38,794 --> 00:23:40,879 Well, I'm asking you. 442 00:23:41,672 --> 00:23:44,800 - Jonathan, would you like to answer? - We know some of his history... 443 00:23:44,967 --> 00:23:48,012 and it doesn't quite match up with what he says. 444 00:23:48,178 --> 00:23:52,516 So I think he's giving them what he feels they need to hear. 445 00:23:52,683 --> 00:23:55,060 But that doesn't mean he doesn't have real emotions. 446 00:23:55,227 --> 00:23:56,645 That's very well said. 447 00:23:56,812 --> 00:23:59,148 I think that this... Especially this season... 448 00:23:59,315 --> 00:24:03,736 we have characters who say things that aren't literally true... 449 00:24:03,902 --> 00:24:05,904 but sometimes are emotionally true. 450 00:24:06,071 --> 00:24:12,036 And the other one that strikes me is the scene where Jimmy is crying to the... 451 00:24:12,202 --> 00:24:14,580 - Yeah. - The insurance executive in seven... 452 00:24:14,747 --> 00:24:17,833 which is another one of Tom's episodes, another directed by Tom. 453 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,754 And I think Jimmy's emotions, just like you said, Jonathan... 454 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,797 the emotions are real. 455 00:24:23,964 --> 00:24:26,342 - Not everything he says is literally true. - Right. 456 00:24:26,508 --> 00:24:31,555 But the emotional subtext is true to the character, but the literary meaning is... 457 00:24:31,722 --> 00:24:33,140 - Absolutely. - Is not... 458 00:24:33,307 --> 00:24:35,976 - It's true lies. - True lies. 459 00:24:36,143 --> 00:24:38,812 We know that they don't run him back across the border. 460 00:24:38,979 --> 00:24:42,232 - He's dealing with them. - Yeah. 461 00:24:42,399 --> 00:24:47,071 But the idea of being an immigrant and wanting to make it in America and all... 462 00:24:47,237 --> 00:24:50,115 it's, I think, true to Gus being a Chilean and a military... 463 00:24:50,282 --> 00:24:51,325 Absolutely. 464 00:24:51,492 --> 00:24:54,119 Yeah. He has a very dark background that, you know... 465 00:24:54,286 --> 00:24:59,124 going back to episode 408 of Breaking Bad... 466 00:24:59,291 --> 00:25:02,753 where Steven Bauer says the only reason he's not dead... 467 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,464 is because I know who you are. So it's like he has... 468 00:25:05,631 --> 00:25:07,883 There's some very interesting background... 469 00:25:08,050 --> 00:25:09,802 we've never spelled out that... 470 00:25:09,968 --> 00:25:11,637 He's ex-military, right? 471 00:25:12,054 --> 00:25:13,639 - Well... - We believe so. 472 00:25:13,806 --> 00:25:15,265 We're not revealing anything. 473 00:25:15,432 --> 00:25:20,104 Yeah, he's called "generalissimo" by Hector in season three. 474 00:25:20,270 --> 00:25:24,191 I will mention, though, that if you look at the phone book... 475 00:25:24,358 --> 00:25:31,365 our amazing office crew had to write every word of that and that's... 476 00:25:31,532 --> 00:25:34,618 All those phone numbers, all those names. 477 00:25:34,785 --> 00:25:36,161 Jonny Gomez and.... 478 00:25:37,621 --> 00:25:38,914 - Ariel Levine. - Ariel Levine. 479 00:25:39,081 --> 00:25:41,166 - Because otherwise people start calling. - Yes. 480 00:25:41,333 --> 00:25:43,502 Yeah, and it's also a Fiona Com... 481 00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:46,338 which is the phone company that goes back to Breaking Bad... 482 00:25:46,505 --> 00:25:48,924 which is named after my daughter, Fiona. 483 00:25:49,091 --> 00:25:50,801 This is a Kelley Dixon special here. 484 00:25:50,968 --> 00:25:53,929 I mean this is just me just shooting a ton of footage... 485 00:25:54,096 --> 00:25:56,682 and saying, "Here, figure this out. 486 00:25:57,224 --> 00:25:59,727 Cut something cool for us." And this is, I mean... 487 00:25:59,893 --> 00:26:04,064 - This just is a fun way to tell a story. - Are you multiple camera? 488 00:26:04,231 --> 00:26:06,233 Good thing my head's attached to my neck. 489 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,069 It was tight in there so I don't think... A lot of times... 490 00:26:09,778 --> 00:26:11,905 this was a single camera. We couldn't fit... 491 00:26:12,072 --> 00:26:15,576 This is actually our first day of shooting. This is the first thing we shot. 492 00:26:16,118 --> 00:26:19,705 So just because it was so tight, when we could get two cameras in, we did. 493 00:26:19,872 --> 00:26:22,624 But for a lot of the close-up stuff and the shallow focus... 494 00:26:22,791 --> 00:26:26,503 like focus on a cup or a pen in the foreground and her in the background... 495 00:26:26,670 --> 00:26:28,756 it was just the one camera. 496 00:26:28,922 --> 00:26:31,091 Two cameras are... Multiple cameras are tricky... 497 00:26:31,258 --> 00:26:36,388 because often times there's only one really good place to put a camera. 498 00:26:36,555 --> 00:26:38,557 And so there's often... 499 00:26:38,724 --> 00:26:41,005 a little bit of compromise to get the second camera in. 500 00:26:41,059 --> 00:26:43,771 And what we try to do is to place the camera... 501 00:26:43,937 --> 00:26:46,899 the A camera in the perfect place. Hopefully the B camera... 502 00:26:47,065 --> 00:26:50,277 can find something else that also works. 503 00:26:50,444 --> 00:26:52,613 But it's tough on Marshall because, you know... 504 00:26:52,780 --> 00:26:56,784 it's tough to light for two different angles at the same time. 505 00:26:57,826 --> 00:27:02,539 And just a great, great Bob Odenkirk and Rhea Seehorn. They're so good. 506 00:27:02,706 --> 00:27:04,750 I mean, these guys do their homework. 507 00:27:04,917 --> 00:27:08,045 - Look at how he looks at her. - Michael, you all do your homework. 508 00:27:08,212 --> 00:27:11,423 You come in, they have... Come in with great ideas and they... 509 00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:15,969 They had this great idea of just playing this moment so softly when he says: 510 00:27:16,136 --> 00:27:18,016 "Thank you very much. You're welcome very much." 511 00:27:18,180 --> 00:27:20,224 The way they played it was... It was all them. 512 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:22,226 It was not me guiding them to this. 513 00:27:22,392 --> 00:27:25,521 They came in with this great, you know... 514 00:27:25,687 --> 00:27:29,650 Really, it just says so much about the two characters. 515 00:27:29,817 --> 00:27:31,985 It's really lovely and I was... It was a great... 516 00:27:32,152 --> 00:27:35,989 Again, this was part of our first day of shooting and it was just a, you know... 517 00:27:36,156 --> 00:27:38,909 Having this moment on our first day was just sort of... 518 00:27:39,076 --> 00:27:41,537 makes the rest of the shoot easier because it's... 519 00:27:41,703 --> 00:27:43,914 At least you have this one wonderful moment. 520 00:27:44,081 --> 00:27:46,083 And if everything else goes to shit... 521 00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:49,586 you still have this moment that people will remember in the script... 522 00:27:49,753 --> 00:27:51,755 and luckily the rest doesn't go to shit. 523 00:27:51,922 --> 00:27:56,760 I think what's interesting for actors who are listening and watching... 524 00:27:56,927 --> 00:27:58,679 to note that these guys rehearse... 525 00:27:58,846 --> 00:28:01,682 They probably don't know. Before they come to set. 526 00:28:01,849 --> 00:28:04,685 And a lot of times actors think, "You just rehearse it like... 527 00:28:04,852 --> 00:28:06,520 you know, while you're lighting." 528 00:28:06,687 --> 00:28:09,481 And this cast, and especially Bob and Rhea... 529 00:28:09,648 --> 00:28:12,192 get together on the weekend before they shoot... 530 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,698 and they really work through it so that by the time they come to set... 531 00:28:17,865 --> 00:28:20,659 they're just giving you a smorgasbord of choices. 532 00:28:20,826 --> 00:28:23,954 And they're so far ahead that, you know... 533 00:28:24,121 --> 00:28:27,082 anybody coming to visit the set as a guest actor... 534 00:28:27,249 --> 00:28:29,251 knows that they have to be on their toes. 535 00:28:29,418 --> 00:28:33,255 You have such limited time to shoot that... 536 00:28:33,422 --> 00:28:36,592 - But that doesn't happen everywhere. - Yeah, if... You know, you want... 537 00:28:36,758 --> 00:28:39,803 just everybody to be prepared, because if things get behind... 538 00:28:39,970 --> 00:28:42,890 then everything gets screwed, for not only your episode... 539 00:28:43,056 --> 00:28:45,267 but for episodes to come, and it's like... 540 00:28:45,434 --> 00:28:49,104 we're trying to hit this very small target with all these episodes... 541 00:28:49,271 --> 00:28:54,526 and just have an amazing cast and crew to get you there. 542 00:28:54,693 --> 00:28:58,989 So it's... We're very lucky, as writers and directors. 543 00:28:59,156 --> 00:29:01,491 And how great is it to get these two guys together? 544 00:29:01,658 --> 00:29:03,368 - This is my favourite scene. - Finally. 545 00:29:03,535 --> 00:29:05,120 - Yes. - Yeah. When worlds collide. 546 00:29:05,287 --> 00:29:08,123 It really was something seeing them. 547 00:29:09,708 --> 00:29:11,335 It's such a funny scene, Jonathan. 548 00:29:11,501 --> 00:29:14,046 This is so well-written. 549 00:29:14,212 --> 00:29:16,924 It's so funny and it's also beautiful. 550 00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:21,720 It's all beautifully put together. And I know Michael and Jonathan... 551 00:29:21,887 --> 00:29:24,264 were both so happy to be working together. 552 00:29:24,431 --> 00:29:27,184 Yeah, a lot of crossing of the streams in this season. 553 00:29:27,351 --> 00:29:31,355 A lot of characters getting together that have not seen each other before. 554 00:29:31,521 --> 00:29:38,028 We had Nacho and Gus earlier, and Mr Banks and Mr McKean. 555 00:29:39,404 --> 00:29:42,324 No electricity due to a condition that was explained... 556 00:29:42,491 --> 00:29:43,867 in some detail. 557 00:29:44,284 --> 00:29:46,286 This could be a spoiler so I don't know if... 558 00:29:46,453 --> 00:29:49,164 I imagine by this point everyone's seen the whole season. 559 00:29:49,331 --> 00:29:52,292 But how much of the set of this set is still salvageable... 560 00:29:52,459 --> 00:29:56,171 after the finale of this season? 561 00:29:56,797 --> 00:29:58,090 That's a very good question. 562 00:29:58,256 --> 00:30:01,134 I will say Robin Sweet, our producer, kept asking me: 563 00:30:01,677 --> 00:30:04,513 "So are you gonna need this set again?" 564 00:30:05,263 --> 00:30:08,767 And I didn't give her a definitive answer. 565 00:30:09,685 --> 00:30:11,770 That remains to be seen. 566 00:30:11,937 --> 00:30:14,147 But it was really destroyed in season... 567 00:30:14,314 --> 00:30:15,899 - I mean, you guys really... - It's... 568 00:30:16,066 --> 00:30:19,987 It took... You know, we've done this before. 569 00:30:20,153 --> 00:30:24,449 We destroyed the White house and had to restore it even in the same episode. 570 00:30:24,616 --> 00:30:26,827 But this was a different level of destruction. 571 00:30:26,994 --> 00:30:28,787 I think it's going to be... 572 00:30:28,954 --> 00:30:30,998 But having said that, we folded all our sets. 573 00:30:31,164 --> 00:30:34,334 They're all sitting in storage in Albuquerque... 574 00:30:34,501 --> 00:30:37,004 until we come up with another bunch of episodes. 575 00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:42,384 So, if we need it, I know our folks can put it back together. 576 00:30:42,551 --> 00:30:45,721 This is... I just don't wanna let this go by because it's so funny. 577 00:30:45,887 --> 00:30:48,598 I love when he takes that drill and he's like.... 578 00:30:49,266 --> 00:30:52,310 It's just really... Just... 579 00:30:52,477 --> 00:30:55,605 And Michael McKean is using his comedy chops here too. 580 00:30:55,772 --> 00:30:57,024 He sure is. 581 00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:59,901 We have two of the funniest men on the planet in the show. 582 00:31:00,068 --> 00:31:04,948 Bob Odenkirk and Michael McKean are so good, and they're just.... 583 00:31:05,115 --> 00:31:08,577 God, what a... How lucky are we to work with them? 584 00:31:08,744 --> 00:31:10,996 And this shot is just epic. 585 00:31:11,163 --> 00:31:15,667 It's, like... It's almost 170 degrees. 586 00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:48,116 Tom, was someone standing there, cueing Jonathan... 587 00:31:48,283 --> 00:31:49,701 where Michael McKean was? 588 00:31:49,868 --> 00:31:53,497 I can't tell you who it was exactly, but it was.... 589 00:31:53,663 --> 00:31:57,334 But there was somebody behind the camera who would raise their hand... 590 00:31:57,501 --> 00:32:01,797 so that Jonathan knew when to do the drill and... 591 00:32:01,963 --> 00:32:04,716 - It was so well-timed. - Michael McKean knew when to turn. 592 00:32:04,883 --> 00:32:06,593 I forget who was our signal person. 593 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,554 It might have been Anna. It might have been someone else. 594 00:32:09,721 --> 00:32:11,681 - That's a great cut there. - Anna Ramey Borden... 595 00:32:11,848 --> 00:32:15,811 I, you know, couldn't survive this shoot without a great first AD... 596 00:32:15,977 --> 00:32:17,646 and she's fantastic. 597 00:32:17,813 --> 00:32:23,944 She's just wonderful, and I had the same kind of experience with her. 598 00:32:24,111 --> 00:32:26,029 This day, Peter was here for this day. 599 00:32:27,447 --> 00:32:30,492 They're redoing the entire street outside... 600 00:32:30,659 --> 00:32:35,163 so we had steamrollers driving back and forth that we couldn't stop. 601 00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:39,918 The city is completely... They're adding a tram line or something out there. 602 00:32:40,085 --> 00:32:43,130 - A bus line, some bullshit. - It's a busway. 603 00:32:43,296 --> 00:32:44,881 - A busway. - A busway, that's right. 604 00:32:45,048 --> 00:32:49,344 And so we did our best to totally avoid the steamrollers. 605 00:32:49,511 --> 00:32:51,763 We only see a steamroller in one shot, which is... 606 00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:53,932 Our poor sound team. 607 00:32:54,099 --> 00:32:55,142 My God. 608 00:32:55,308 --> 00:32:59,396 They're so good and it... Yeah, we have such amazing sound on this show. 609 00:32:59,563 --> 00:33:01,523 - So, Jonathan... - Yeah? 610 00:33:01,690 --> 00:33:06,027 Jimmy holds up that photograph and he says, "That tells the whole story. 611 00:33:06,194 --> 00:33:08,738 The lantern on top of the Financial Times." 612 00:33:08,905 --> 00:33:11,741 Did you know that that was gonna be significant going forward? 613 00:33:11,908 --> 00:33:14,536 - Did we know in the writers' room? - I don't think we did. 614 00:33:14,703 --> 00:33:17,205 - No, I think it was really just he's... - I disagree. 615 00:33:17,372 --> 00:33:21,877 I don't think we knew for sure, but when I wrote a line in episode two... 616 00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:27,174 where Bob yells, "I'll burn your whole goddamn house down." 617 00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:28,592 Right. 618 00:33:28,758 --> 00:33:32,304 Because we were talking about the fact that, you know... 619 00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:34,556 Chuck might get to a point where he... 620 00:33:34,723 --> 00:33:37,809 - We didn't 100 percent know, but he... - Oh, there it is. 621 00:33:37,976 --> 00:33:40,020 - There's your steamroller. - There's one. 622 00:33:40,187 --> 00:33:44,482 And I was always an advocate of the lantern being... 623 00:33:44,649 --> 00:33:49,154 - Tipped over. The instrument. - His cause of death because it was.... 624 00:33:49,905 --> 00:33:53,200 You know, you just never know. Was it an accident? Was it on purpose? 625 00:33:53,366 --> 00:33:57,746 I mean, you're just gonna come into this giant fire, and I think it will.... 626 00:33:57,913 --> 00:34:00,373 I'm guessing in season four... We don't know for sure. 627 00:34:00,540 --> 00:34:04,294 But I'm guessing it will haunt many of the characters not knowing... 628 00:34:04,461 --> 00:34:06,379 was it on purpose? Was it an accident? 629 00:34:06,546 --> 00:34:10,759 I was always advocating a toaster oven in a bathtub. 630 00:34:10,926 --> 00:34:11,968 But... 631 00:34:12,135 --> 00:34:15,180 You guys do such an amazing job on this show and on Breaking Bad... 632 00:34:15,347 --> 00:34:20,018 of introducing something and letting somehow the audience understand... 633 00:34:20,185 --> 00:34:24,231 that this is important, and paying it off much later. 634 00:34:24,397 --> 00:34:28,318 Yeah. I think we did know that those photos were intended... 635 00:34:28,485 --> 00:34:31,780 - to get Rebecca in the next episode's... - That's right. That's right. 636 00:34:31,947 --> 00:34:34,658 - Sympathy and concern. - Right. 637 00:34:34,824 --> 00:34:37,202 Yes, they did have an immediate short-term purpose. 638 00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:39,704 - Yeah. - I think longer-term... 639 00:34:39,871 --> 00:34:42,874 I think it was all on our mind, and this is one of those things... 640 00:34:43,041 --> 00:34:45,168 you never know if the pieces are gonna fit. 641 00:34:45,335 --> 00:34:48,004 - I love this scene. You didn't know? - We didn't know if... 642 00:34:48,171 --> 00:34:51,341 We didn't know if Michael McKean was gonna reach the end he did. 643 00:34:51,508 --> 00:34:53,510 But, you know, when you watch it again... 644 00:34:53,677 --> 00:34:55,762 watch from the beginning of the season... 645 00:34:55,929 --> 00:35:00,934 even from the first shot of the season, of the kid, you know.... 646 00:35:01,434 --> 00:35:04,604 If you go back and watch from the first episode of this season... 647 00:35:04,771 --> 00:35:06,940 things will jump at you, and you'll be like: 648 00:35:07,107 --> 00:35:10,193 "Oh, my God, there's another reference. There's another reference." 649 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,988 We didn't wanna cop to it ourselves in a lot of ways. 650 00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:14,781 We didn't wanna... We wanted it... 651 00:35:14,948 --> 00:35:17,909 For one, we always keep options open as we go forward. 652 00:35:18,076 --> 00:35:22,372 But talking about, you know... 653 00:35:22,539 --> 00:35:24,916 ending one of the great acting roles... 654 00:35:25,083 --> 00:35:28,628 that we've seen on television, in my opinion, was not easy. 655 00:35:28,795 --> 00:35:30,088 It's not easy to talk about. 656 00:35:30,255 --> 00:35:33,091 So until the very end, we really, I don't think.... 657 00:35:34,592 --> 00:35:37,304 I'm still saying, "What the hell did we do?" 658 00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:39,639 - I love this scene so much. - Yeah, big mistake. 659 00:35:39,806 --> 00:35:42,058 I believe this is the scene you were shooting... 660 00:35:42,225 --> 00:35:44,477 - when your water truck came. - Probably, yeah. 661 00:35:44,644 --> 00:35:47,981 And, Tom, you were driving the water truck, weren't you? 662 00:35:48,148 --> 00:35:50,650 I was aiming for Mr Banks, but he was not standing... 663 00:35:50,817 --> 00:35:53,111 - in the spot he was supposed to be. - Jennifer. 664 00:35:53,278 --> 00:35:54,321 Yes? 665 00:35:54,487 --> 00:35:59,409 How would you define how Gus dresses when he's in crime mode? 666 00:35:59,576 --> 00:36:01,911 What are you thinking about? 667 00:36:02,078 --> 00:36:06,541 I see him as a lean machine. 668 00:36:06,708 --> 00:36:08,960 Everything is thought out. 669 00:36:09,127 --> 00:36:14,174 It is... I mean, just look at... Just look at the way Jonathan's... 670 00:36:14,341 --> 00:36:16,676 you know, jacket, haphazard a little bit... 671 00:36:16,843 --> 00:36:21,056 and then you cut to Gus Fring. 672 00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:24,517 Even though it's late at night, look at that stature, that posture. 673 00:36:24,684 --> 00:36:28,313 There's nothing out of place. He could be a runway model. 674 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,567 You know, he absolutely is the kind of character to me... 675 00:36:32,734 --> 00:36:35,362 in his clothing, he leaves no stone unturned. 676 00:36:35,528 --> 00:36:39,908 He doesn't leave any room for you to think of him any other way... 677 00:36:40,075 --> 00:36:42,786 but a true professional. 678 00:36:42,952 --> 00:36:46,122 He's a sharp dresser. He maintains his style. 679 00:36:46,289 --> 00:36:50,251 It starts here and he carries it all the way through to his career... 680 00:36:50,418 --> 00:36:52,003 and his ending on Breaking Bad. 681 00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:55,799 He was always put together well, really well-dressed. 682 00:36:55,965 --> 00:36:58,176 It's amazing to see this. 683 00:36:58,343 --> 00:37:01,012 There's a particular nostalgia that when, you know... 684 00:37:01,179 --> 00:37:04,057 being a fan of Breaking Bad and knowing this is happening... 685 00:37:04,224 --> 00:37:07,936 before Breaking Bad. And there's, like, this fourth kind of layer... 686 00:37:08,103 --> 00:37:11,731 where you kind of know that the actors also know... 687 00:37:11,898 --> 00:37:15,443 where it all ends, and you kind of, like, enter this weird dimension... 688 00:37:15,610 --> 00:37:17,904 - of nostalgia and anticipation... - Yep. 689 00:37:18,071 --> 00:37:19,906 - Yeah. - You can only get in a prequel. 690 00:37:20,073 --> 00:37:23,243 Yes, and it also gives the viewer an additional depth... 691 00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:25,036 of you're watching the birth... 692 00:37:25,203 --> 00:37:28,164 of how you know something is going to end, yes. 693 00:37:28,331 --> 00:37:32,001 Yeah, it's like going back and looking at when your parents first met, you know? 694 00:37:32,168 --> 00:37:33,211 Yeah. 695 00:37:33,378 --> 00:37:35,547 I love the way you put that, and by the way... 696 00:37:35,713 --> 00:37:38,508 I just have to call out Dave Porter in that. 697 00:37:38,675 --> 00:37:41,719 That's just a lovely piece of score... 698 00:37:41,886 --> 00:37:44,055 and it's such a huge moment when he's: 699 00:37:44,222 --> 00:37:46,850 "A bullet to the head would have been far too humane." 700 00:37:47,016 --> 00:37:49,936 It's beautifully written and beautifully directed... 701 00:37:50,103 --> 00:37:52,981 acted, and then that music just knocks it home, to me. 702 00:37:53,148 --> 00:37:56,317 Now, is this a real conference room in the...? 703 00:37:57,193 --> 00:37:58,862 - This is on stage. - This is on stage? 704 00:37:59,028 --> 00:38:00,447 Yes. 705 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,326 This was also the same space that I think was used for a locker room. 706 00:38:05,493 --> 00:38:07,287 - Oh, that's right. - Repurposed, yeah. 707 00:38:07,454 --> 00:38:10,290 I love what they do. You could sort of see on the wall... 708 00:38:10,457 --> 00:38:15,211 that there's a mismatch of paint colour where there used to be a... 709 00:38:15,378 --> 00:38:17,714 Like a bulletin board or something hanging there... 710 00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:20,383 but now it's gone and they kind of faded around it. 711 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:23,720 I mean, this is all just great painters... 712 00:38:23,887 --> 00:38:26,222 you know, adding these touches that I just love. 713 00:38:26,389 --> 00:38:29,225 It's also where you and I made love once. 714 00:38:29,809 --> 00:38:32,896 The.... I'm going right past that one. 715 00:38:35,064 --> 00:38:37,317 - We have the... - That's in the DVD extras. 716 00:38:37,484 --> 00:38:40,361 With that... Going back to that red Speedo. 717 00:38:40,528 --> 00:38:43,823 - It's all there. - Nobody knows who you're talking to... 718 00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:46,242 - I'm talking to you, Thomas. - There you go. 719 00:38:46,409 --> 00:38:47,911 - Now it's on the record. - Okay. 720 00:38:48,077 --> 00:38:49,245 All right, there we go. 721 00:38:49,412 --> 00:38:51,039 - There she is. - Oh, she's wonderful. 722 00:38:51,206 --> 00:38:52,290 - Yeah. - Kimberly... 723 00:38:52,457 --> 00:38:53,917 - Yes. - Kimberly Hebert Gregory. 724 00:38:54,083 --> 00:38:56,002 - I love her. - In Vice Principals we were... 725 00:38:56,169 --> 00:39:00,256 Peter and I, specifically, big fans of that show, and we were so happy... 726 00:39:00,423 --> 00:39:02,091 that she was part of this. 727 00:39:02,258 --> 00:39:04,886 We're so lucky to get her. 728 00:39:05,053 --> 00:39:07,305 It's a funny thing of how things happen... 729 00:39:07,472 --> 00:39:10,767 is, you know, a lot of people don't know when the episode starts... 730 00:39:10,934 --> 00:39:14,771 Tom and Peter and whoever, you know, is involved with the episode... 731 00:39:14,938 --> 00:39:18,650 get on the phone with Casting, with Sherry and Russell and Kiira... 732 00:39:18,816 --> 00:39:21,611 who's local, and we kind of go through the characters. 733 00:39:21,778 --> 00:39:24,989 And what characteristics that you're looking for... 734 00:39:25,156 --> 00:39:27,825 if you're gonna see them again later.... 735 00:39:27,992 --> 00:39:33,456 And Peter mentioned, "Well, somebody like Kimberly from Vice Principals. 736 00:39:33,623 --> 00:39:37,418 But we'll never get her." I think he said that. 737 00:39:37,585 --> 00:39:40,088 You know what? I remember it a little bit differently. 738 00:39:40,255 --> 00:39:45,760 I remember going to one of our famous Hollywood parties out here... 739 00:39:45,927 --> 00:39:49,472 and seeing both of you guys, both Sharon and Sherry... 740 00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,850 and we were talking, and you introduced me to a couple members... 741 00:39:53,017 --> 00:39:55,186 - of the Vice Principals cast. Not... - Right. 742 00:39:55,353 --> 00:39:56,396 - Not Kimberly. - Okay. 743 00:39:56,563 --> 00:39:58,189 But some other folks, and you said: 744 00:39:58,356 --> 00:40:02,026 "You know who you should get on the show? Kimberly." And I... 745 00:40:02,193 --> 00:40:04,737 I knew who she was, but I didn't know her name. 746 00:40:04,904 --> 00:40:07,282 And that just stuck in my head. 747 00:40:07,448 --> 00:40:09,117 - So that's why... - I do remember that. 748 00:40:09,284 --> 00:40:11,911 That's why I brought... So it all goes back to you guys... 749 00:40:12,078 --> 00:40:14,956 and it also goes back to those famous Hollywood parties. 750 00:40:15,123 --> 00:40:16,207 - You know? - Well... 751 00:40:16,374 --> 00:40:18,918 Some fancy hotel with all the people dressed up... 752 00:40:19,085 --> 00:40:22,088 That's your two lessons today, writers and directors. 753 00:40:22,255 --> 00:40:24,757 Get a layer of fat on you, and go to Hollywood parties. 754 00:40:24,924 --> 00:40:26,259 Go to Hollywood parties and... 755 00:40:26,426 --> 00:40:29,137 Well, but also, you know... 756 00:40:29,304 --> 00:40:32,974 we had cast her previous to Vice Principals, so we were huge fans... 757 00:40:33,141 --> 00:40:38,896 but sometimes you really have to know how deep an actor can go... 758 00:40:39,063 --> 00:40:42,483 before you throw them into an episode of Better Call Saul. 759 00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:46,529 And I believe both Sherry and I had seen her in the play... 760 00:40:46,696 --> 00:40:49,282 Meet Vera Stark at the Geffen, here in Los Angeles. 761 00:40:49,449 --> 00:40:51,492 And she was fantastic. 762 00:40:51,659 --> 00:40:54,704 So, you know, sort of what you guys get to do in a... 763 00:40:54,871 --> 00:40:59,500 In a season of Better Call Saul and watch a character arc and grow... 764 00:40:59,667 --> 00:41:03,087 you get to really see that, you know, when someone's on the stage. 765 00:41:03,254 --> 00:41:05,089 That's... Well, she's terrific. 766 00:41:05,256 --> 00:41:07,592 And she handles language so beautifully. 767 00:41:07,759 --> 00:41:10,303 And you have... You know, she's facing.... 768 00:41:10,678 --> 00:41:13,222 - Heavyweights. - To me it's a murderer's row. 769 00:41:13,389 --> 00:41:15,433 These four actors. It's a murderer's row. 770 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,977 - Patrick Fabian's first appearance. - Yeah. 771 00:41:18,144 --> 00:41:21,397 We need more Patrick Fabian. That's the problem with this episode. 772 00:41:22,815 --> 00:41:27,070 But you're right. It's daunting to sit across the table from those four actors. 773 00:41:27,236 --> 00:41:28,738 She did not show it at all. 774 00:41:28,905 --> 00:41:31,658 - So relaxed. - She commands so much of the scene. 775 00:41:31,824 --> 00:41:33,993 And her scene with McKean, before this... 776 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,287 - The previous episode. - It was masterful. 777 00:41:36,454 --> 00:41:40,416 We gotta get her back on the show. I wanna see more of this character. 778 00:41:40,583 --> 00:41:43,002 - I want a show about her. - We should do a spin-off. 779 00:41:43,169 --> 00:41:44,420 - There we go. - There you go. 780 00:41:44,587 --> 00:41:47,548 - Get her off the show she just booked. - Damn it. 781 00:41:47,715 --> 00:41:50,718 You go on Better Call Saul and it's like a good luck charm. 782 00:41:50,885 --> 00:41:53,096 It is. I like the sound of that. 783 00:41:53,262 --> 00:41:56,766 And I'm... She's working a lot, and she should be. 784 00:41:56,933 --> 00:41:59,602 Bob is so wonderful in this scene. 785 00:41:59,769 --> 00:42:05,149 He's so subdued and hurt, and I just... 786 00:42:05,316 --> 00:42:09,487 I love... The way this whole thing is put together is so elegant. 787 00:42:09,654 --> 00:42:14,075 It was a big episode, and I think having a scene like this in your episode... 788 00:42:14,242 --> 00:42:17,036 helps you get it to eight days, because it's your... 789 00:42:17,203 --> 00:42:20,665 Almost your whole act is taking place in a room on a stage. 790 00:42:20,832 --> 00:42:22,041 So that.... 791 00:42:22,208 --> 00:42:27,296 Huge help to everybody to actually get it in the can on time. 792 00:42:27,463 --> 00:42:31,217 I remember reading Jonathan's script, which, of course, is all great... 793 00:42:31,384 --> 00:42:35,346 but then getting to the scene and just being so happy... 794 00:42:35,513 --> 00:42:38,391 and feeling like, "I know this is really good. 795 00:42:38,558 --> 00:42:40,226 This is gonna play." 796 00:42:40,393 --> 00:42:44,689 You just wrote the hell out of it, wrote the hell out of the whole episode... 797 00:42:44,856 --> 00:42:47,817 but this scene was a particular favourite of mine. 798 00:42:47,984 --> 00:42:52,780 - And it's also so well researched that... - Yeah. 799 00:42:52,947 --> 00:42:54,866 How did you research all this stuff? 800 00:42:55,032 --> 00:42:58,411 Well, we had, you know, great help with Ariel Levine... 801 00:42:58,578 --> 00:43:05,418 who we mentioned earlier and Jonny, they gave me what a PPD document... 802 00:43:05,585 --> 00:43:10,006 would look like, and we sort of tailored it to this, but... 803 00:43:10,173 --> 00:43:14,844 so much of this is so restrained, the actors. 804 00:43:15,011 --> 00:43:18,055 Also, Tommy, your choices of lenses here are... 805 00:43:18,222 --> 00:43:20,558 Just the shallow focus that goes on here... 806 00:43:20,725 --> 00:43:23,060 the sense of the line of the four of them... 807 00:43:23,227 --> 00:43:26,022 it really brings it alive. 808 00:43:27,273 --> 00:43:30,568 And another shout-out to Kelley Dixon, because, again, it was like... 809 00:43:30,735 --> 00:43:34,238 we filmed the whole scene from all these different angles. 810 00:43:34,405 --> 00:43:36,699 We didn't grab a piece here and a piece there. 811 00:43:36,866 --> 00:43:38,785 It's like you run the entire scene. 812 00:43:38,951 --> 00:43:42,163 How many times did you run this scene? 813 00:43:42,330 --> 00:43:45,208 I mean, I couldn't tell... You go through and count the shots. 814 00:43:45,374 --> 00:43:49,003 I think we used every... There's not a shot we didn't use for this scene. 815 00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:50,296 That rack here. 816 00:43:50,463 --> 00:43:54,592 So we have, you know, one, two, three, four, five, six... 817 00:43:54,759 --> 00:43:59,514 I mean, 10 different angles or more in this scene... 818 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,184 I just wanna point out Michael did not know that the focus was going to him. 819 00:44:03,351 --> 00:44:04,560 - Right. - The actors are... 820 00:44:04,727 --> 00:44:07,146 Because we do it so many times all the way through... 821 00:44:07,313 --> 00:44:10,525 they don't quite know exactly when they're on and when they're not. 822 00:44:10,691 --> 00:44:14,737 And just how committed they are in every moment. 823 00:44:14,904 --> 00:44:18,241 And a lot of times that isn't planned. Sometimes the director will say: 824 00:44:18,407 --> 00:44:19,617 "Oh, rack focus." 825 00:44:19,784 --> 00:44:23,663 And a lot of the time our... I think most often our focus pullers... 826 00:44:23,830 --> 00:44:28,960 try something during the shot that, you know, is a great idea by them... 827 00:44:29,126 --> 00:44:32,755 and we go, "That was fantastic. Let's keep doing that." 828 00:44:32,922 --> 00:44:33,965 I have a question. 829 00:44:34,131 --> 00:44:36,843 Would that really happen where someone in court... 830 00:44:37,009 --> 00:44:40,346 would say that I don't believe the sincerity of your delivery? 831 00:44:40,513 --> 00:44:41,556 This isn't court. 832 00:44:41,722 --> 00:44:44,600 - I know, but I mean, would that happen? - Absolutely. 833 00:44:44,767 --> 00:44:48,896 So if you say I'm sorry, they'll contest the sincerity of the tone? 834 00:44:49,063 --> 00:44:51,566 They don't have to accept any of this. 835 00:44:51,732 --> 00:44:53,317 - They're making him a deal. - Right. 836 00:44:53,484 --> 00:44:56,070 They have to be satisfied. This is my understanding. 837 00:44:56,237 --> 00:44:57,655 - Yes. - I should let you speak. 838 00:44:57,822 --> 00:45:01,450 - No, you're absolutely right. - It's... They have... She... This... She's... 839 00:45:01,617 --> 00:45:05,454 She's really giving him a sweet deal here, and she wants to be satisfied... 840 00:45:05,621 --> 00:45:07,206 that he's appreciative of it. 841 00:45:07,373 --> 00:45:09,834 And judges, at least in the U.S.... Maybe not Canada. 842 00:45:10,001 --> 00:45:12,503 Canada's different. Your judges wear wigs. 843 00:45:12,670 --> 00:45:14,297 I know it's a whole different deal. 844 00:45:14,463 --> 00:45:16,799 You call them barristers. I don't know. 845 00:45:16,966 --> 00:45:18,885 - Yeah. - But here the judges are kind of... 846 00:45:19,051 --> 00:45:20,094 Kind of forceful. 847 00:45:20,261 --> 00:45:22,346 And in this scene, in this whole scene here... 848 00:45:22,513 --> 00:45:25,766 what I did is that if you guys... To go back to your previous question... 849 00:45:25,933 --> 00:45:30,479 about my colour palette, these are all legal eagles... 850 00:45:30,646 --> 00:45:32,315 on different sides of the law... 851 00:45:32,481 --> 00:45:36,527 so there's this palette of the blue and the navy. 852 00:45:36,694 --> 00:45:41,949 If you notice, they're all wearing the same colour but just different tones. 853 00:45:42,116 --> 00:45:47,121 It's almost like Rhea's outfit mimics Patrick's... 854 00:45:47,288 --> 00:45:52,793 then Bob Odenkirk mimics Chuck when they're sitting in the room. 855 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,173 And the... Our attorney that you cast... 856 00:45:57,340 --> 00:46:00,384 - Kimberly. - Kimberly, in that really brighter blue. 857 00:46:00,551 --> 00:46:04,931 So, it had a really... Same colour, same palette, but it hit some high notes. 858 00:46:05,097 --> 00:46:08,225 Oh, and she also wears, in the previous episode, a yellow blouse. 859 00:46:08,392 --> 00:46:10,728 - I remember you loved that blouse. - That just pops. 860 00:46:10,895 --> 00:46:11,938 - Yes. - I just love that. 861 00:46:12,104 --> 00:46:14,607 - Because she works for Gus Fring. - No... 862 00:46:16,692 --> 00:46:18,277 No, no, Internet, that's not true. 863 00:46:18,444 --> 00:46:23,616 You can take this colour palette, maybe the colour palette has more levels... 864 00:46:23,783 --> 00:46:24,992 than we're expressing. 865 00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:27,453 - People went nuts here on... - On the bingo. 866 00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:30,873 On the bingo. I just saw... Everyone's like, "What does it mean?" 867 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,249 - Right. - Good. 868 00:46:32,416 --> 00:46:34,210 Hopefully they watch the next episode. 869 00:46:34,377 --> 00:46:35,544 - Yeah. - That shot's great. 870 00:46:35,711 --> 00:46:37,838 - All will be answered. - Look at that ponytail. 871 00:46:38,005 --> 00:46:40,216 Her ponytail has a life of its own. 872 00:46:40,383 --> 00:46:42,760 Thank you so much for watching, guys. 873 00:46:42,927 --> 00:46:45,429 - Great, great episode. - Great job, Jonathan and Thomas. 874 00:46:45,596 --> 00:46:46,639 - Yep. - Thank you, yeah. 875 00:46:46,806 --> 00:46:49,558 That's the music we made love to, remember, Thomas? 876 00:46:49,725 --> 00:46:52,436 We've made love so many times, I can't keep track. 877 00:46:52,603 --> 00:46:55,773 I feel like Michael's turning your technique against you. 878 00:46:55,940 --> 00:46:57,358 I don't know. 879 00:46:57,525 --> 00:46:59,902 But it's really wonderful to watch each episode. 880 00:47:00,069 --> 00:47:03,489 Can we do another commentary where it's just Michael and I making love... 881 00:47:03,656 --> 00:47:06,283 - with just the sounds of us...? - We'd have to dim the lights. 882 00:47:06,450 --> 00:47:08,786 - I like a spotlight. I wanna see. - I get insecure. 883 00:47:08,953 --> 00:47:10,454 - The end. - We had to go there. 884 00:47:10,621 --> 00:47:12,456 You wrote it.