1 00:00:03,922 --> 00:00:07,884 Okay, this is Episode 401, "Smoke," 2 00:00:07,967 --> 00:00:11,721 which was directed by Minkie Spiro and written by me, Peter Gould. 3 00:00:11,805 --> 00:00:15,475 I'm co-creator and executive producer of the show. 4 00:00:16,226 --> 00:00:19,145 And I'm Minkie Spiro, director of this episode. 5 00:00:19,229 --> 00:00:22,524 I'm Bob Odenkirk. I play Jimmy McGill. 6 00:00:23,191 --> 00:00:25,610 I'm Jonathan Banks and I play Mike. 7 00:00:26,653 --> 00:00:28,780 There's the book, David Niven, Moon's a Balloon. 8 00:00:28,863 --> 00:00:29,698 Great book. 9 00:00:29,781 --> 00:00:33,743 He's reading one of the first great celebrity autobiographies. 10 00:00:33,827 --> 00:00:37,497 You should read it. The Moon's a Balloon by David Niven. 11 00:00:39,833 --> 00:00:42,127 Look at this sad sack. 12 00:00:42,627 --> 00:00:46,089 Whacked his head and there's frosting on the side of his face. 13 00:00:46,172 --> 00:00:49,384 And you had to pick up exactly the point that you've been shooting... 14 00:00:49,467 --> 00:00:53,555 You'd shot the other part of this scene over a year before, I believe. 15 00:00:53,638 --> 00:00:56,349 - Oh, part of the... Yes, yes. - Yeah, because you fell down a year ago. 16 00:00:56,433 --> 00:00:58,935 And now here you're back. How do you do that? 17 00:00:59,644 --> 00:01:01,521 Well, it's easy to play a guy who's unconscious 18 00:01:01,604 --> 00:01:04,065 in any era or any part of his life. 19 00:01:04,149 --> 00:01:06,735 Is this where I stuck my fingers up your nose? 20 00:01:06,818 --> 00:01:08,862 - Yes. That woke me up. - Cool. 21 00:01:08,945 --> 00:01:12,157 But this is where I think one of your PA's spotted 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,701 that the spatula was still stuck to Bob 23 00:01:14,784 --> 00:01:16,911 from the previous session. 24 00:01:16,995 --> 00:01:18,455 We hadn't listed it on our... 25 00:01:19,956 --> 00:01:22,333 - on our books. - That man's in hell right there. 26 00:01:22,417 --> 00:01:25,003 That's right. We had a still and nobody... 27 00:01:25,086 --> 00:01:27,797 I never realised that the spatula was actually stuck to his face. 28 00:01:44,939 --> 00:01:45,940 Oh God. 29 00:01:46,941 --> 00:01:48,026 This is... 30 00:01:48,526 --> 00:01:49,903 - He's so sad. - Freddie Mercury... 31 00:01:50,987 --> 00:01:52,071 moustache. 32 00:01:54,491 --> 00:01:56,701 That's the first time we learn your full name. 33 00:01:57,118 --> 00:01:58,578 Gene Takavic. 34 00:01:59,621 --> 00:02:01,664 - Interesting name. - What are you thinking about 35 00:02:01,748 --> 00:02:02,999 - when you play Gene? - Ukrainian. 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,419 Emptiness, scaredness. 37 00:02:07,295 --> 00:02:08,421 Locked away. 38 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,800 He's in a little prison inside his head, really. 39 00:02:12,258 --> 00:02:16,346 He can't be himself. He can't say what he's feeling. 40 00:02:16,429 --> 00:02:18,973 He can't even ask the wrong question. 41 00:02:19,057 --> 00:02:20,892 So, it's a really weird... 42 00:02:21,935 --> 00:02:26,356 It's a really weird, pressurised lonely space that this guy's in. 43 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:28,691 That's why I don't think he can carry on. 44 00:02:28,775 --> 00:02:31,277 I mean, it's obviously why he collapsed, right? 45 00:02:31,361 --> 00:02:35,073 It's all this stress inside him, right? 46 00:02:35,156 --> 00:02:38,201 Which comes out in different ways for people. 47 00:02:39,786 --> 00:02:43,665 Yeah, he can't maintain this life in hiding. 48 00:02:43,748 --> 00:02:46,209 He can't. Psychologically can't. 49 00:02:47,752 --> 00:02:51,297 It's interesting because I think Gene hadn't really spoken much 50 00:02:51,381 --> 00:02:53,633 in any seasons prior to this one. 51 00:02:53,716 --> 00:02:56,010 So you were having to find his voice, literally. 52 00:02:57,595 --> 00:03:00,473 Mr Takavic? Mr Takavic, sir? 53 00:03:01,015 --> 00:03:02,809 I'm so sorry. Would you mind? 54 00:03:02,892 --> 00:03:03,893 Oh Jesus. 55 00:03:07,146 --> 00:03:10,108 I love the pauses in this scene. 56 00:03:10,191 --> 00:03:15,780 And I also love, Minkie, the way you shoot past this screen, 57 00:03:15,864 --> 00:03:21,828 and kind of there's this... Kilroy effect, 58 00:03:21,911 --> 00:03:24,205 shooting past the computer screen. 59 00:03:24,622 --> 00:03:28,751 It's just, this scene is one of those scenes that you write 60 00:03:28,835 --> 00:03:30,295 and you have high hopes for. 61 00:03:30,378 --> 00:03:34,799 And then watching it, it's so much more than I even hoped for. 62 00:03:34,883 --> 00:03:38,970 Because, you guys, there's just so much tension in Gene. 63 00:03:39,053 --> 00:03:41,764 He's so invested in getting through this moment. 64 00:03:41,848 --> 00:03:43,266 And this girl's so upbeat. 65 00:03:43,349 --> 00:03:45,643 - Ericka Kreutz, is that who it is? - Yeah, she's brilliant. 66 00:03:45,727 --> 00:03:47,562 - She's wonderful. - She's great in this. 67 00:03:47,645 --> 00:03:52,817 Very upbeat, friendly, and that Midwestern kindness. 68 00:03:54,611 --> 00:03:58,781 He can't believe she's gonna mess him up here. 69 00:03:58,865 --> 00:04:01,451 - The black and white just sends me. - Yeah. 70 00:04:04,162 --> 00:04:06,414 He's like, "Are you fucking kidding me?" 71 00:04:06,497 --> 00:04:09,417 I'm like hiding. Don't you know? 72 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:10,376 I'm... 73 00:04:13,212 --> 00:04:14,339 "suffering." 74 00:04:15,381 --> 00:04:18,384 Oh, I'm sorry. You got a taxi. 75 00:04:18,468 --> 00:04:20,428 Go ahead. Five, three, one... 76 00:04:22,138 --> 00:04:23,431 He's gonna bite her head off. 77 00:04:23,514 --> 00:04:27,602 He's got to remember his fake social security number. 78 00:04:27,685 --> 00:04:30,396 I love the way your voice just goes up at the end on the "four." 79 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:31,481 I know. 80 00:04:32,690 --> 00:04:35,151 - It's like a question. - Yeah. 81 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,074 Yeah, this... It's... 82 00:04:41,157 --> 00:04:44,202 It just... This makes me squirm every time. 83 00:04:44,285 --> 00:04:45,578 And we had a... 84 00:04:45,662 --> 00:04:49,415 We were lucky enough to premiere this episode in San Diego 85 00:04:50,041 --> 00:04:52,001 just before we started airing. 86 00:04:52,085 --> 00:04:54,671 We were in a theatre, 87 00:04:54,754 --> 00:05:00,343 and it's a different kind of episode because it's so quiet and tense. 88 00:05:00,426 --> 00:05:02,095 The audience was very quiet 89 00:05:02,178 --> 00:05:05,056 and that made me anxious, 90 00:05:05,139 --> 00:05:08,059 because, you know, you want to know what's going over. 91 00:05:08,142 --> 00:05:13,356 But I think people were just squirming in their seats, especially in this scene, 92 00:05:13,439 --> 00:05:16,651 just waiting to see if the other shoe was gonna drop for Gene. 93 00:05:17,610 --> 00:05:18,611 Yeah. 94 00:05:19,904 --> 00:05:22,490 He can't maintain this, Peter. 95 00:05:22,573 --> 00:05:24,784 I know you guys are writing the next season right now, 96 00:05:24,867 --> 00:05:26,661 so we probably shouldn't talk about that here, 97 00:05:26,744 --> 00:05:29,998 but this cannot sustain, this lifestyle. 98 00:05:30,081 --> 00:05:33,543 - Yeah, it's just... - Fuck. You're kidding me. 99 00:05:33,626 --> 00:05:35,670 Oh Jesus. 100 00:05:36,087 --> 00:05:38,131 Well, something's gotta give. That's for sure. 101 00:05:40,967 --> 00:05:45,013 And this, of course, is an actual location in Albuquerque. 102 00:05:45,096 --> 00:05:46,931 This was all shot in Albuquerque. 103 00:05:47,348 --> 00:05:51,269 Judy Rhee and our production design team did just a wonderful job. 104 00:05:51,352 --> 00:05:53,187 - Not in the winter. - Not in the winter, no. 105 00:05:53,271 --> 00:05:56,149 - Even though it's snowing outside. - It feels very snowy. 106 00:05:56,232 --> 00:05:59,027 - Yeah, it was bloody cold. - Yes, it was. 107 00:06:03,489 --> 00:06:06,659 And then this guy, oh my God. 108 00:06:07,201 --> 00:06:08,494 This is so intense. 109 00:06:08,578 --> 00:06:11,372 See, usually it would end right here, and then you'd go into the show. 110 00:06:11,456 --> 00:06:16,169 So it's really cool that you stay with Gene and life gets... 111 00:06:16,252 --> 00:06:18,129 You really feel like he's done here, right? 112 00:06:18,212 --> 00:06:20,214 - Relief first. - Yeah. 113 00:06:20,298 --> 00:06:22,091 And then, what does he see? 114 00:06:22,759 --> 00:06:24,719 Albuquerque Isotopes. 115 00:06:24,802 --> 00:06:29,974 That is the baseball team in Albuquerque. 116 00:06:32,226 --> 00:06:33,269 - Sorry. - Those eyes. 117 00:06:33,352 --> 00:06:35,354 Oh my God, that's good. 118 00:06:35,438 --> 00:06:41,194 This is such a beautifully directed and cut sequence, 119 00:06:41,277 --> 00:06:42,487 and acted. 120 00:06:43,071 --> 00:06:47,533 I just... I want to give a shout out to Skip Macdonald who cut this episode. 121 00:06:47,617 --> 00:06:53,331 Because I think it's like a masterclass in when you see what you see. 122 00:06:54,332 --> 00:06:58,377 The question is, is that guy staring at him 123 00:06:58,461 --> 00:07:02,215 or is that just in his mind that those eyes are so piercing? 124 00:07:02,298 --> 00:07:06,969 But I think he feels like he's definitely been ID'ed at this point. 125 00:07:07,053 --> 00:07:09,639 I think that's the way we were trying to go. 126 00:07:09,722 --> 00:07:11,766 - Yeah. - It really feels that way. 127 00:07:18,106 --> 00:07:21,943 I'm scared right now and I already know what happens. 128 00:07:22,026 --> 00:07:23,736 I remember when we laid all this snow down, 129 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:25,863 we were worried that it wouldn't feel like snow, she said. 130 00:07:26,614 --> 00:07:30,827 But at least it was so cold that your breath registered, 131 00:07:30,910 --> 00:07:33,162 which is always the giveaway when you put snow down. 132 00:07:33,246 --> 00:07:38,501 Yeah, the way that smoke is rising is cold, a cold world. 133 00:07:38,584 --> 00:07:41,504 Now, did they bring in the vacuum cleaner to pick all that up at the end? 134 00:07:41,587 --> 00:07:43,464 - Yep. - Yeah, that huge vacuum. 135 00:07:43,548 --> 00:07:47,051 And we had this... We've shot in Albuquerque for long enough 136 00:07:47,135 --> 00:07:50,429 that we start having trouble with locations overlapping. 137 00:07:50,513 --> 00:07:52,306 And actually Jessie's... 138 00:07:53,474 --> 00:07:57,937 Jessie's parents' house is right across the street here. 139 00:07:58,020 --> 00:08:01,607 So we're always on the lookout for things like that. 140 00:08:01,691 --> 00:08:04,485 - I think it just works great. - We were just told to avoid it. 141 00:08:04,569 --> 00:08:06,487 It's just behind you off-camera there. 142 00:08:16,372 --> 00:08:18,749 It's not good. Not gonna sustain. 143 00:08:18,833 --> 00:08:20,001 That's wonderful. 144 00:08:20,793 --> 00:08:25,965 We have a quirk that we seem to do a lot on this show. 145 00:08:26,048 --> 00:08:30,469 Hopefully it's not overdone, where we cut in the middle of something, 146 00:08:30,553 --> 00:08:32,555 like for instance at the end of this song, 147 00:08:32,638 --> 00:08:37,476 where it just feels like you're cutting off before something's concluded. 148 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:40,396 And it just seemed to really work. 149 00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:42,231 This is incredible. 150 00:08:42,315 --> 00:08:44,692 Was this written into the script or did you guys...? 151 00:08:44,775 --> 00:08:47,695 Didn't it happen in the edit suite, that you came up with the idea? 152 00:08:47,778 --> 00:08:50,740 No, this was... in the writer's room 153 00:08:50,823 --> 00:08:53,326 - from the beginning, we thought... - From the previous season? 154 00:08:55,077 --> 00:08:57,538 I don't know if I can put it into words why it felt right. 155 00:08:57,622 --> 00:08:59,916 But it just... 156 00:09:00,791 --> 00:09:04,378 We wanted to suggest the burning of Chuck's house rather than seeing it, 157 00:09:04,462 --> 00:09:09,759 and just suggest the effect this was going to have. 158 00:09:10,301 --> 00:09:15,514 And the fire was shot, I think, pretty late in production. 159 00:09:15,598 --> 00:09:19,518 And Skip did a wonderful job at just finding the pieces. 160 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:22,313 It's really beautiful. 161 00:09:23,481 --> 00:09:27,693 It's very rare that shows go... 162 00:09:30,029 --> 00:09:32,865 to that level of imagery and stuff, 163 00:09:33,407 --> 00:09:35,159 telling the story with that. 164 00:09:35,243 --> 00:09:40,498 Well, this is one of our artsiest episodes ever of this show. 165 00:09:41,582 --> 00:09:43,209 And it scares me sometimes. 166 00:09:43,292 --> 00:09:46,420 I mean, when we were working on it, I knew it was the right thing. 167 00:09:46,504 --> 00:09:48,506 Everything was what we had to do. 168 00:09:50,049 --> 00:09:54,428 And what Jimmy was going through was exactly what he had to go through, 169 00:09:54,512 --> 00:09:57,932 and I knew it was right, but it's also a quiet episode. 170 00:09:58,391 --> 00:10:00,601 And hopefully it's quietly intense. 171 00:10:00,685 --> 00:10:04,313 But that's, you know, I want everyone to love it. 172 00:10:04,397 --> 00:10:07,984 And I want them to be entertained, so it made me very nervous 173 00:10:08,067 --> 00:10:10,861 until I started seeing that people were responding to it 174 00:10:10,945 --> 00:10:12,655 kind of the way I was hoping they would 175 00:10:12,738 --> 00:10:15,324 or that we all were hoping they would. 176 00:10:15,408 --> 00:10:17,702 And it's because of the work that you guys did. 177 00:10:18,953 --> 00:10:22,456 Well, the writing is sublime, which helps. 178 00:10:29,046 --> 00:10:30,256 This was... 179 00:10:32,216 --> 00:10:36,137 Yeah, the morning routine which comes back in this episode, right? 180 00:10:36,220 --> 00:10:38,556 That's right. For the whole season. 181 00:10:38,639 --> 00:10:40,808 - Yeah. - As it turns out. 182 00:10:40,891 --> 00:10:43,185 Which is what life is, routines. 183 00:10:45,271 --> 00:10:46,314 Wait a second. 184 00:10:46,397 --> 00:10:47,940 We're not going to pass on that, 185 00:10:48,024 --> 00:10:51,485 "This is what life is, just routines," for Christ's sakes. 186 00:10:51,569 --> 00:10:56,782 That's what it is. Most of my life is like... robotic. 187 00:10:56,866 --> 00:10:58,617 Get my cereal, 188 00:10:58,701 --> 00:11:02,288 get the same drink, have it... 189 00:11:02,371 --> 00:11:04,332 I don't like when it gets interrupted. 190 00:11:04,415 --> 00:11:06,375 You need me to walk around with you... 191 00:11:06,459 --> 00:11:09,211 Yeah, you want me to disrupt my routine? 192 00:11:09,295 --> 00:11:10,546 and just comment. 193 00:11:17,011 --> 00:11:19,138 Worst thing, looking for crap jobs. 194 00:11:21,223 --> 00:11:23,809 - You don't seem to be... - He seems upbeat about it. 195 00:11:23,893 --> 00:11:26,854 Well, yeah, but he hasn't had to go in on those meetings yet, 196 00:11:26,937 --> 00:11:30,983 but he's trying to maintain a good disposition. 197 00:11:34,153 --> 00:11:35,738 Look what a good boyfriend you are, 198 00:11:35,821 --> 00:11:38,741 - getting her a cup of coffee. - He's great. He's the best. 199 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:42,620 Hamlin calling me. Goodnight. 200 00:11:43,454 --> 00:11:44,747 Not gonna take it. 201 00:11:46,707 --> 00:11:51,379 And this season we changed the set for Kim's apartment just a little bit. 202 00:11:51,462 --> 00:11:53,214 Judy reconceived it. 203 00:11:53,297 --> 00:11:57,718 It's all the same basic pieces, but they fit together a little differently. 204 00:11:57,802 --> 00:12:03,182 And we have a cyclorama outside the windows, which is different, 205 00:12:03,265 --> 00:12:06,227 although you don't see much of it in this episode. 206 00:12:07,019 --> 00:12:09,105 I didn't notice anything different, Peter. 207 00:12:09,188 --> 00:12:11,023 I didn't know that the set had changed. 208 00:12:11,107 --> 00:12:13,025 It's pretty subtle. 209 00:12:14,652 --> 00:12:15,986 I'm glad you didn't notice. 210 00:12:16,070 --> 00:12:17,405 This broken arm thing. 211 00:12:17,488 --> 00:12:18,739 - I know. - Poor kid. 212 00:12:19,407 --> 00:12:23,452 If you would please let him know. I really need to talk to him. 213 00:12:23,536 --> 00:12:24,995 What's Hamlin's problem? 214 00:12:31,460 --> 00:12:33,546 Now I'm remembering what happened to Chuck. 215 00:12:34,755 --> 00:12:37,341 This piece of music is very interesting. 216 00:12:37,425 --> 00:12:41,720 I got very used to watching this scene with a lot of sound effects. 217 00:12:41,804 --> 00:12:43,639 By the way, I hit my mark perfectly. 218 00:12:43,722 --> 00:12:45,057 - Unbelievable. - As always. 219 00:12:45,850 --> 00:12:47,268 Like crazy driving. 220 00:12:47,351 --> 00:12:50,187 You're gonna be really sorry if we ever get rid of this Esteem. 221 00:12:50,271 --> 00:12:52,565 How'd you get a sweatshirt without the hood? 222 00:12:53,149 --> 00:12:54,984 Oh yeah, this is one I've always had. 223 00:12:55,067 --> 00:12:57,820 - Yeah, be good to have, right? - Do you want one, Jon? 224 00:12:57,903 --> 00:13:02,158 - It's the... I love that... - University of American Samoa, it's funny. 225 00:13:02,241 --> 00:13:05,077 Lawyers that I know just crack up. 226 00:13:05,161 --> 00:13:07,163 They just... the best. 227 00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:16,005 And Peter, for you, it was important we never saw the house before... 228 00:13:18,257 --> 00:13:20,301 Yeah, I think it was what we discussed, 229 00:13:20,384 --> 00:13:22,928 to really reserve the look of the house... 230 00:13:24,555 --> 00:13:27,224 - partially to save... - Amazing job. 231 00:13:27,308 --> 00:13:30,478 - Amazing. - Yeah, that's an effects shot. 232 00:13:31,145 --> 00:13:33,772 - And it was tough. - That house is standing, everyone. 233 00:13:34,190 --> 00:13:37,318 There's nothing wrong with that house. They didn't burn it at all. 234 00:13:37,401 --> 00:13:41,030 And this shot is also an effects shot. 235 00:13:41,113 --> 00:13:43,866 It's one of the longest that we've done up to this point. 236 00:13:43,949 --> 00:13:47,036 Oh, I'm sorry, the next cut. But it is an effects shot. 237 00:13:47,119 --> 00:13:50,456 This actually is an effects shot, too, believe it or not, of that... 238 00:13:51,874 --> 00:13:54,376 of that electrical thing. 239 00:14:00,674 --> 00:14:04,887 She is really beaten up from that car accident. 240 00:14:04,970 --> 00:14:06,055 Yeah. 241 00:14:06,138 --> 00:14:08,807 Yeah, but it's good. It's getting real. 242 00:14:10,726 --> 00:14:15,648 This is such... You guys do such beautiful work here. 243 00:14:16,232 --> 00:14:18,817 And Minkie, you know, 244 00:14:18,901 --> 00:14:23,322 because I had asked that we get coverage on this scene, 245 00:14:23,405 --> 00:14:28,786 because I was worried about being able to have this effects shot in the background. 246 00:14:28,869 --> 00:14:32,248 And it just played so perfectly in one, 247 00:14:32,331 --> 00:14:35,793 the two of you just played it so beautifully 248 00:14:35,876 --> 00:14:39,922 that fortunately, our brilliant effects people 249 00:14:40,005 --> 00:14:42,925 were able to keep that house back there... 250 00:14:44,426 --> 00:14:47,346 - for this long, long shot. - Yeah, I love playing it in one like that. 251 00:14:47,429 --> 00:14:48,472 It's fucking great. 252 00:14:48,556 --> 00:14:51,183 his stereo, his lights... 253 00:14:53,310 --> 00:14:57,273 dishwasher, all the kitchen stuff... 254 00:14:58,524 --> 00:14:59,817 It's such a bummer. 255 00:15:00,693 --> 00:15:02,486 - Or a mystery. - Yeah. 256 00:15:02,570 --> 00:15:06,490 All those extras are actually real firemen. 257 00:15:06,574 --> 00:15:07,575 - Oh really? - Yeah. 258 00:15:08,617 --> 00:15:09,827 And they were great. 259 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,791 I just love the way you shot the whole journey of Jimmy coming up to the house, 260 00:15:15,874 --> 00:15:20,588 and how the running and it's so... with all the movement, 261 00:15:20,671 --> 00:15:22,423 and then it stops cold. 262 00:15:22,506 --> 00:15:26,468 It really feels... It really feels right. 263 00:15:26,719 --> 00:15:27,553 It's beautiful. 264 00:15:27,636 --> 00:15:29,346 Something must've happened. 265 00:15:32,725 --> 00:15:34,435 Something made him relapse. 266 00:15:34,893 --> 00:15:39,023 I love that you kept this in one. Really good choice. 267 00:15:39,106 --> 00:15:41,066 And the hope here is that 268 00:15:41,150 --> 00:15:44,111 the audience is gonna remember this question he's asking. 269 00:15:44,194 --> 00:15:47,656 "What made him relapse?" And that that's gonna get answered 270 00:15:47,740 --> 00:15:49,867 - in the last scene. - That's the whole season, really. 271 00:15:49,950 --> 00:15:53,746 But then in the last scene, you know, the answer starts... 272 00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:56,248 - Or one of the answers comes up. - Right. 273 00:15:57,207 --> 00:15:58,584 It kind of makes him happy. 274 00:16:01,420 --> 00:16:02,796 It's so bad it's good. 275 00:16:07,301 --> 00:16:11,388 It's good. Well done, Minkie. Well done, post guys. 276 00:16:11,472 --> 00:16:13,223 Beautiful, Minkie. Beautiful work. 277 00:16:13,307 --> 00:16:15,559 Now what do we have here? A young man working in a booth. 278 00:16:15,643 --> 00:16:17,269 Yeah. 279 00:16:17,353 --> 00:16:19,688 It's good to see the young people getting jobs. 280 00:16:21,065 --> 00:16:22,232 There he is. 281 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:27,112 What do you think, Jon? Where's he at right now, this character? 282 00:16:27,196 --> 00:16:29,990 You see, you're such a better actor than I am. 283 00:16:30,074 --> 00:16:32,117 You do so much more homework. 284 00:16:32,201 --> 00:16:36,914 I kind of show up, bewildered. 285 00:16:36,997 --> 00:16:38,499 There's the bewildered look. 286 00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:43,212 I love it. And then I move when they tell me to exit. 287 00:16:44,046 --> 00:16:47,383 See, somebody just said, "Come on, exit," and I get up. 288 00:16:53,138 --> 00:16:54,807 I don't think that's true. 289 00:16:54,890 --> 00:16:57,267 I think you've thought about this. 290 00:16:58,477 --> 00:17:01,313 Well, he's got a real job. He can move on from this one. 291 00:17:01,397 --> 00:17:04,983 But I love it, that they wanted the blazer for the... 292 00:17:10,155 --> 00:17:14,243 - So dumb. The windbreaker. - But it's so true. 293 00:17:14,868 --> 00:17:19,832 Right back to the classified ads with the crap jobs. Here you go, pal. 294 00:17:20,582 --> 00:17:23,711 No wonder these guys are doing bad. 295 00:17:24,169 --> 00:17:26,422 The costumer's so sweet, Jon. 296 00:17:26,505 --> 00:17:28,549 I don't know if you know that they were desperately wanting 297 00:17:28,632 --> 00:17:31,969 to keep you comfortable, so they made long-sleeved shirts for you 298 00:17:32,052 --> 00:17:34,388 just in case you got cold, and they... 299 00:17:34,471 --> 00:17:37,933 That's because I whine and moan and complain. 300 00:17:38,016 --> 00:17:38,976 Not true. 301 00:17:39,059 --> 00:17:42,062 - It's 'cause you're beloved. - Yep. Pansies. 302 00:17:44,773 --> 00:17:46,692 - This was tricky. - Yeah. 303 00:17:46,775 --> 00:17:50,320 This was originally written with a whole lot more water, 304 00:17:50,404 --> 00:17:51,488 with people getting wet, 305 00:17:51,572 --> 00:17:55,159 and then it was explained to me that it was January in Albuquerque 306 00:17:55,242 --> 00:17:59,538 and maybe we didn't want to get a child wet. 307 00:17:59,621 --> 00:18:03,083 Because it was originally written with... she's playing in the hose, right? 308 00:18:03,167 --> 00:18:04,752 That's right. Playing in the water. 309 00:18:04,835 --> 00:18:06,336 Really? 310 00:18:10,716 --> 00:18:13,552 Gee, things seem to be pretty good with Mike's family. 311 00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:18,056 - Mike's doing okay. - Yeah. 312 00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:19,516 Yeah, his life is good. 313 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,563 There's these moments in these shows where the characters have decent lives. 314 00:18:24,646 --> 00:18:25,731 I love them. 315 00:18:25,814 --> 00:18:27,900 It even happens in Breaking Bad with Walter White. 316 00:18:27,983 --> 00:18:30,944 There's moments where like, okay, 317 00:18:31,028 --> 00:18:33,781 you could hold still here and you'd be all right. 318 00:18:34,740 --> 00:18:40,537 Just for the audience, this house has been... 319 00:18:40,621 --> 00:18:44,583 We've watched it renovated over a period of years. 320 00:18:44,666 --> 00:18:50,088 And it's really turning into a great old, what, I guess it was built in the '20s? 321 00:18:50,172 --> 00:18:52,883 I think even before that. I think it's the 19th century, isn't it? 322 00:18:52,966 --> 00:18:54,802 No, really? 323 00:18:54,885 --> 00:18:57,763 There's something you see out in front. 324 00:18:57,846 --> 00:19:01,850 There's a block that actually is to get on and off of a horse, 325 00:19:01,934 --> 00:19:04,478 - or on and off of a carriage. - That is true. 326 00:19:04,561 --> 00:19:07,397 So I think this thing goes way back. 327 00:19:08,065 --> 00:19:09,650 I was gonna say, too, 328 00:19:09,733 --> 00:19:14,571 Kerry, who plays my daughter-in-law, was a jockey in Ireland... 329 00:19:16,782 --> 00:19:18,158 and raced horses. 330 00:19:18,242 --> 00:19:21,286 - Wow. She's a great actress. - Good actress. 331 00:19:21,578 --> 00:19:22,913 She is. 332 00:19:22,996 --> 00:19:24,248 Kerry Condon. 333 00:19:25,916 --> 00:19:31,588 She's in Three Billboards over Ebbing. 334 00:19:34,299 --> 00:19:37,386 So, he's got free money coming in. 335 00:19:38,011 --> 00:19:40,931 Should be good, get to watch the game every day. 336 00:19:41,014 --> 00:19:42,266 Don't have to do nothing. 337 00:19:42,349 --> 00:19:45,686 It should be noted that he's a Phillies fan, and they tanked this year. 338 00:19:50,065 --> 00:19:51,066 Really? 339 00:19:52,109 --> 00:19:53,861 It's unbelievable, Jonathan. 340 00:19:53,944 --> 00:19:58,949 You look at your face. You just know that there is something stirring in there. 341 00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:01,285 So little says so much. 342 00:20:01,368 --> 00:20:04,288 - That's very kind of you. - He's thinking about this way too much. 343 00:20:04,371 --> 00:20:06,540 - Minkie, that's very kind. - No, I'm serious. 344 00:20:06,623 --> 00:20:09,459 You have these little subtle looks. 345 00:20:09,543 --> 00:20:11,587 It's just... It's gas, actually. 346 00:20:13,422 --> 00:20:15,716 It's true, and we write to it. We know. 347 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:18,635 It's something we've learned, is that you don't need to... 348 00:20:19,261 --> 00:20:20,929 We don't need to say that much. 349 00:20:21,013 --> 00:20:23,724 - Jonathan's gonna give it to us. - Yeah. 350 00:20:26,685 --> 00:20:28,103 What's his idea? 351 00:20:28,937 --> 00:20:31,189 I so love this sequence. 352 00:20:31,690 --> 00:20:32,900 Oh my God. 353 00:20:32,983 --> 00:20:34,192 Intermodel. 354 00:20:35,819 --> 00:20:40,240 M-A-D-R-I-G-A-L. 355 00:20:40,324 --> 00:20:41,199 Yes. 356 00:20:41,283 --> 00:20:44,745 That's his life. Look at that. He hasn't unpacked. 357 00:20:45,287 --> 00:20:48,081 Pabst in the refrigerator, which I would like to say, 358 00:20:48,165 --> 00:20:51,585 if any viewers out there have anything to do with Pabst, 359 00:20:51,668 --> 00:20:54,504 I've been drinking Pabst out of that refrigerator for years. 360 00:20:54,588 --> 00:20:57,758 And you'd think that those miserable motherfuckers would have sent me 361 00:20:57,841 --> 00:21:00,385 a six-pack, at least... nothing. 362 00:21:00,469 --> 00:21:01,553 Well, now you've blown it. 363 00:21:01,637 --> 00:21:03,931 Now that you've called them that, they're never sending you beer. 364 00:21:04,014 --> 00:21:06,391 Then let me put it another way: Those miserable motherfuckers 365 00:21:06,475 --> 00:21:08,101 would send me a six-pack. 366 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:12,689 It's Howard. 367 00:21:12,773 --> 00:21:14,858 I think you should talk to him. 368 00:21:19,947 --> 00:21:21,323 Oh, this is amazing. 369 00:21:21,406 --> 00:21:23,909 When he starts listing off Chuck's life, 370 00:21:23,992 --> 00:21:27,871 it's just this mountain of achievements. 371 00:21:27,955 --> 00:21:31,041 It just keeps growing in front of him. 372 00:21:31,833 --> 00:21:33,293 It was... 373 00:21:33,377 --> 00:21:38,590 He's got to listen to this litany of like... achievement, 374 00:21:38,674 --> 00:21:40,425 one thing after another. 375 00:21:42,719 --> 00:21:44,972 It was a fun thing to... 376 00:21:45,055 --> 00:21:48,475 It was a fun thing to write Chuck McGill's obituary. 377 00:21:48,558 --> 00:21:52,604 I read up on a lot of obituaries for Supreme Court justices. 378 00:21:52,688 --> 00:21:57,109 - Oh wow. - And just different kind of obituaries 379 00:21:57,192 --> 00:22:01,780 of towering figures, and then went running with it. 380 00:22:01,863 --> 00:22:06,201 But it's... He's got quite a background. 381 00:22:06,284 --> 00:22:08,745 And, in fact, in episode 10, 382 00:22:08,829 --> 00:22:11,623 there's something you don't get to see on the show, and it kills me. 383 00:22:11,707 --> 00:22:15,002 There's a Charles McGill timeline of his life. 384 00:22:15,085 --> 00:22:17,713 It's like 20 feet long 385 00:22:17,796 --> 00:22:20,090 and it's a museum quality timeline 386 00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:23,593 and it goes into all the details of his accomplishments. 387 00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:25,679 And my God, poor Jimmy. 388 00:22:27,055 --> 00:22:30,017 It's tough. It's tough having somebody like that to live up to. 389 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:30,934 Yeah. 390 00:22:31,018 --> 00:22:33,353 It's tough listening to something like that. 391 00:22:33,437 --> 00:22:35,063 When people in my family have died, 392 00:22:35,147 --> 00:22:39,693 and then there's some fool at the funeral with a litany that goes on and on and on, 393 00:22:39,776 --> 00:22:43,363 and they turn it more into themselves than they do about what you're going through. 394 00:22:44,614 --> 00:22:46,158 - Anyway. - It's tough. 395 00:22:47,325 --> 00:22:49,119 How do you sum somebody's life up? 396 00:22:50,954 --> 00:22:53,123 Well, Chuck would have loved this, by the way. 397 00:22:53,206 --> 00:22:54,082 Yes. 398 00:22:54,166 --> 00:22:59,171 This is exactly what he wanted people to be doing is running down his achievements. 399 00:22:59,254 --> 00:23:00,464 That's right. 400 00:23:01,048 --> 00:23:06,678 And have it be this snowball that just keeps growing as you tell it. 401 00:23:06,762 --> 00:23:09,973 Because it's all about his achievements 402 00:23:10,057 --> 00:23:14,144 and none of it is about what a miser he was to Jimmy, especially. 403 00:23:14,227 --> 00:23:17,397 Or anybody. His wife. Nobody. There's no other person in it. 404 00:23:17,481 --> 00:23:20,484 You notice Minkie didn't shoot through that fish tank for too long 405 00:23:20,567 --> 00:23:23,111 'cause the fish was gonna steal everything. 406 00:23:31,995 --> 00:23:34,039 Poor Jimmy is doomed. 407 00:23:34,122 --> 00:23:38,085 He'll never get around that boulder of achievement. 408 00:23:38,752 --> 00:23:40,087 I remember watching... 409 00:23:40,170 --> 00:23:42,798 Unfortunately, I wasn't on the set for a lot of this episode. 410 00:23:42,881 --> 00:23:44,841 But I was there for this. 411 00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:50,806 And after Kim hangs up here, there's a long quiet period, 412 00:23:50,889 --> 00:23:53,934 and the way we shot it, it was even longer. 413 00:23:54,017 --> 00:23:56,770 But I found it riveting. I still do. 414 00:23:56,853 --> 00:23:59,106 We shortened it up a little bit. 415 00:23:59,189 --> 00:24:01,650 But just... 416 00:24:01,733 --> 00:24:06,613 It just feels like the air is full of so much emotion 417 00:24:07,197 --> 00:24:08,990 and so little motion. 418 00:24:09,074 --> 00:24:11,118 Lots of emotion, not a lot of motion. 419 00:24:12,661 --> 00:24:13,662 How do you...? 420 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:18,834 So Minkie, when you're thinking about one of these scenes, 421 00:24:19,501 --> 00:24:22,587 how do you figure out what you're gonna do? 422 00:24:23,004 --> 00:24:24,673 How do you figure out what to start with? 423 00:24:24,756 --> 00:24:29,094 What are the things that you do before you go off and shoot? 424 00:24:30,053 --> 00:24:36,560 So I will often draw scenarios in my head, 425 00:24:37,018 --> 00:24:38,478 even for stillness, 426 00:24:39,271 --> 00:24:44,943 because that will inform me as to how I want to approach the scene. 427 00:24:45,026 --> 00:24:48,780 But then, you know, once Bob and Rhea are involved, 428 00:24:48,864 --> 00:24:51,783 it becomes a different beast and then when we're on the floor together. 429 00:24:51,867 --> 00:24:55,871 But it's always important to come with some kind of... 430 00:24:58,081 --> 00:24:59,499 It's not necessarily a plan, 431 00:24:59,583 --> 00:25:02,169 but just some kind of vision in your head of how you saw it. 432 00:25:02,252 --> 00:25:05,422 And we'd spoken about the tone of how you wanted the scene to go 433 00:25:05,505 --> 00:25:06,923 and a kind of stillness. 434 00:25:08,175 --> 00:25:14,097 So it was finally camera angles that would hold for those periods of time. 435 00:25:14,556 --> 00:25:17,559 But don't you, even when you're on the road, 436 00:25:17,642 --> 00:25:21,563 have a whole wall full of Post-It notes and drawings. 437 00:25:21,646 --> 00:25:23,273 - Am I right? - Yes. 438 00:25:23,356 --> 00:25:26,902 And the hotel room is just full of images 439 00:25:26,985 --> 00:25:28,737 to do with Better Call Saul. 440 00:25:28,820 --> 00:25:29,905 - Really? - Yeah. 441 00:25:29,988 --> 00:25:31,156 What kinds of images? 442 00:25:32,032 --> 00:25:35,952 Screen grabs that I respond to from all seasons to date. 443 00:25:36,036 --> 00:25:37,245 Yeah, that's great. 444 00:25:37,329 --> 00:25:41,374 And there's something about, A, being in a hotel room which is often very bland. 445 00:25:43,585 --> 00:25:46,046 Not to say they don't put us up well, folks. 446 00:25:46,129 --> 00:25:47,714 Yeah, it's just a generic... 447 00:25:47,797 --> 00:25:51,676 So literally, any wall space is covered in imagery. 448 00:25:53,803 --> 00:25:56,556 Well, all that work really pays off. 449 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,391 I like that transition there. 450 00:26:02,812 --> 00:26:05,023 Yeah, he's like... He's stuck. 451 00:26:05,106 --> 00:26:10,237 It's our most artsy episode ever. And it's great. It's full of feeling. 452 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:13,531 And this is actually from your episode. 453 00:26:13,615 --> 00:26:18,078 That's true. This is a couple of shots that I did 454 00:26:18,161 --> 00:26:21,915 for episode 310, that's right. 455 00:26:22,832 --> 00:26:27,879 Just to get us back into the swing of things 456 00:26:27,963 --> 00:26:30,674 for what's going on in this side of the story. 457 00:26:31,424 --> 00:26:35,262 So, like this show, it's all about layers, on many levels. 458 00:26:35,345 --> 00:26:37,430 So I don't know if you can see the foreground of that 459 00:26:37,514 --> 00:26:40,642 is actually a construction that we put to the frame. 460 00:26:40,725 --> 00:26:45,939 That telegraph pole, it's something that Judy built for us. 461 00:26:46,022 --> 00:26:47,148 I see. Look at that. 462 00:26:47,732 --> 00:26:50,277 To build to, again, give depth. 463 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:51,486 It's great. 464 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,491 I think we shot a similar shot in another season without that, 465 00:26:56,574 --> 00:27:00,662 and adding that foreground makes all the difference. 466 00:27:04,499 --> 00:27:07,794 This is also one of those scenes where Dave Porter, our composer, 467 00:27:07,877 --> 00:27:09,963 really, really brings it 468 00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:14,592 and adds an element that just pulls it all together. 469 00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:30,191 For you guys, is it strange coming back to the characters after you...? 470 00:27:30,275 --> 00:27:32,485 'Cause I'm thinking about Michael Mando here 471 00:27:32,569 --> 00:27:34,779 and Giancarlo coming back after a year. 472 00:27:34,863 --> 00:27:37,741 It has been hard in previous seasons. 473 00:27:37,824 --> 00:27:39,326 But this season was not. 474 00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:43,872 I don't know whether I psyched myself out from being psyched out. 475 00:27:44,539 --> 00:27:46,166 Or not. 476 00:27:46,249 --> 00:27:49,669 But it just was like, "No, let's just go. I know this guy. Let's go." 477 00:27:49,753 --> 00:27:53,173 And yeah, I've really enjoyed getting right back into it. 478 00:27:53,256 --> 00:27:56,092 I did not let myself be intimidated. 479 00:27:59,262 --> 00:28:00,680 You know there's so many... 480 00:28:02,932 --> 00:28:04,851 versions of this guy, Jimmy. 481 00:28:05,852 --> 00:28:08,313 And we've seen him in so many modes, 482 00:28:08,396 --> 00:28:13,902 where he's funny or he's quiet or angry, just kind of everything. 483 00:28:13,985 --> 00:28:15,612 I don't think he's... 484 00:28:15,695 --> 00:28:18,198 It's not so hard to like get myself in. 485 00:28:18,281 --> 00:28:19,532 He's a human being, 486 00:28:19,616 --> 00:28:23,953 and he can approach a moment from so many different ways. 487 00:28:24,037 --> 00:28:26,206 It doesn't feel like I'm boxed in, you know? 488 00:28:26,289 --> 00:28:28,333 I think it's harder to play like... 489 00:28:28,416 --> 00:28:32,379 not harder, but a little more effort in like Saul in Breaking Bad, 490 00:28:32,462 --> 00:28:35,131 where there was one mode for that guy. 491 00:28:35,215 --> 00:28:37,467 And remember, that's where you go like, 492 00:28:37,550 --> 00:28:40,136 "Remember how he is, remember how he is." You know? 493 00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:43,598 But in this show, he's a person. 494 00:28:43,681 --> 00:28:45,642 He's different in every scene 495 00:28:46,351 --> 00:28:49,437 - and it just doesn't feel as limited. - It's great. 496 00:28:49,521 --> 00:28:53,566 Yeah, it allows you to cut loose. It really does. 497 00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:56,611 And you feel like 498 00:28:56,694 --> 00:28:59,072 you also have just been playing somebody this long. 499 00:28:59,155 --> 00:29:01,991 - You just know him. - Well, I don't. 500 00:29:02,075 --> 00:29:05,662 I mean, I've said it before, but without being boring, 501 00:29:05,745 --> 00:29:08,415 I'll do that backstory on Mike till the day I die, probably. 502 00:29:08,498 --> 00:29:09,457 Right. 503 00:29:10,333 --> 00:29:11,251 He's great. 504 00:29:11,918 --> 00:29:15,213 This was one of the first things we shot this season, as I recall. 505 00:29:16,131 --> 00:29:18,091 This is Javier Grajeda. 506 00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:22,137 It was a difficult space to work in. 507 00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:24,848 And to move these boxes proved to be... 508 00:29:26,558 --> 00:29:29,060 much more complicated than we had planned. 509 00:29:31,229 --> 00:29:35,942 Yeah, this was our inaugural go at this set. 510 00:29:36,025 --> 00:29:39,696 And, you know, the crew learns about each set, 511 00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:44,701 and when they come back, things go progressively more smoothly. 512 00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:46,828 But I think it came out great. 513 00:29:46,911 --> 00:29:50,540 And he has so much power in this scene. 514 00:29:50,623 --> 00:29:52,417 It really plays well. 515 00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:59,674 And, of course, we're all waiting to see what Gus Fring is gonna do, think. 516 00:30:04,429 --> 00:30:08,308 Javier's actually a good friend of Bryan Cranston's. 517 00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:11,227 - Yes, he is. That's right! - Oh my God! 518 00:30:11,311 --> 00:30:14,564 - Yeah, like an old friend, right? - Yeah, old-old friend. 519 00:30:18,109 --> 00:30:20,653 Now, is he speaking Spanish or is he phonetically...? 520 00:30:20,737 --> 00:30:23,239 - No, he's speaking Spanish. - He's bilingual. 521 00:30:24,491 --> 00:30:25,617 One of the few. 522 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:31,789 Well it's something that we learned through experience, 523 00:30:31,873 --> 00:30:34,083 to think about when we write these scenes, 524 00:30:34,167 --> 00:30:36,878 and especially scenes with a lot of Spanish in them, 525 00:30:36,961 --> 00:30:39,756 is who's actually a Spanish speaker and who isn't. 526 00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,967 You remember when Giancarlo had to deliver for like... 527 00:30:43,051 --> 00:30:46,054 they were huge, and it was hard. 528 00:30:46,137 --> 00:30:47,180 Yeah. 529 00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:51,518 It all comes out. It all comes out great. 530 00:30:53,144 --> 00:30:56,022 Now, me is tough. 531 00:30:56,689 --> 00:30:58,358 Me doing Spanish. 532 00:30:58,441 --> 00:31:00,902 - I can't wait. - So please. I know, I know. 533 00:31:00,985 --> 00:31:02,779 You shouldn't have told him that. 534 00:31:02,862 --> 00:31:04,822 - Oh boy. - But I already knew, 535 00:31:04,906 --> 00:31:07,700 'cause in Breaking Bad he speaks Spanish 536 00:31:07,784 --> 00:31:12,288 - in the first episode you see him. - That's right. 537 00:31:12,747 --> 00:31:14,999 So I'm gonna have to learn some phonetic Spanish. 538 00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:17,168 No, talk to Jenny a lot. 539 00:31:17,252 --> 00:31:18,836 Jenny's my wife, who's Spanish. 540 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,129 Oh yeah, she'll help me? 541 00:31:20,213 --> 00:31:22,006 Sure, just talk to her every day. 542 00:31:22,090 --> 00:31:24,634 - Oh yeah, and then you get it? - I'm serious. 543 00:31:24,717 --> 00:31:26,678 If you start speaking today 544 00:31:26,761 --> 00:31:28,846 - and you'd start learning... - I'll learn it? 545 00:31:30,974 --> 00:31:34,811 - Or whatever words even help. - Yeah. 546 00:31:35,353 --> 00:31:36,521 Oh God. 547 00:31:38,356 --> 00:31:43,194 That's really the moon. And this is... That's all real. 548 00:31:43,611 --> 00:31:48,074 This is a shot with that crazy camera, at ISO 5000. 549 00:31:52,662 --> 00:31:55,748 So there's normally a lot more water, but for some reason... 550 00:31:55,832 --> 00:31:58,501 - It goes up and down. - Yeah, we didn't get enough. 551 00:31:58,585 --> 00:31:59,919 It goes up and down. 552 00:32:00,003 --> 00:32:02,630 Let me tell you, Michael has a great, great look. 553 00:32:02,714 --> 00:32:04,465 - He does. - Yeah, he does. 554 00:32:12,932 --> 00:32:14,142 Poor Nacho. 555 00:32:14,225 --> 00:32:17,645 Of course, he thinks he's home free right now. 556 00:32:18,521 --> 00:32:20,815 I think he feels like, "Mission accomplished." 557 00:32:20,898 --> 00:32:22,650 This is one of my favourite shots, 558 00:32:22,734 --> 00:32:25,695 only just because of the technical achievements to get it, 559 00:32:26,362 --> 00:32:29,824 to get the car in that position, to take the car door off. 560 00:32:29,907 --> 00:32:31,868 And to be able to do that pull back. 561 00:32:31,951 --> 00:32:33,870 And it looks effortless. 562 00:32:33,953 --> 00:32:36,372 - Jeremiah. - Jeremiah Bitsui. 563 00:32:36,456 --> 00:32:38,333 The crazy thing is, you know... 564 00:32:39,917 --> 00:32:41,753 They know exactly what he did there. 565 00:32:42,629 --> 00:32:46,174 You know? There's no mystery, in a way, even though... 566 00:32:47,842 --> 00:32:49,761 he did a good job of handling this. 567 00:32:49,844 --> 00:32:52,388 - It's just, Gus is too smart. - Yeah. 568 00:32:55,266 --> 00:32:58,269 You just don't really want to go up against Gus. 569 00:32:58,353 --> 00:33:00,605 Gus and Mike are two guys you don't want to cross. 570 00:33:00,688 --> 00:33:04,734 Yeah, they're thinking about every possible scenario. 571 00:33:05,193 --> 00:33:07,945 When you realise where this particular bit of casting goes, 572 00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:10,406 I think it's a priceless bit of casting. 573 00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:14,327 As a Mike look-alike. 574 00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:16,037 This is Jordan Lage. 575 00:33:18,081 --> 00:33:20,667 He's great, and Joshua Babb playing his son. 576 00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:24,545 It was interesting. 577 00:33:24,629 --> 00:33:28,007 We had this long... I think we spent the better part of a week talking about, 578 00:33:28,091 --> 00:33:32,261 how does Mike break into this Madrigal plant? 579 00:33:32,345 --> 00:33:34,138 How does he get a pass? 580 00:33:34,222 --> 00:33:41,145 And this turned out to be the most elegant kind of misdirecting version here. 581 00:33:41,771 --> 00:33:47,276 But it's also, this is what a lot of our characters don't get to do... 582 00:33:48,861 --> 00:33:50,071 which is the bike. 583 00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:54,409 He's really good. 584 00:33:54,909 --> 00:33:57,412 He did a self-taped audition 585 00:33:58,121 --> 00:34:01,124 on the streets of Manhattan in the snow. 586 00:34:01,207 --> 00:34:02,208 Oh no! 587 00:34:03,292 --> 00:34:04,502 And it was great. 588 00:34:04,585 --> 00:34:07,547 You know, it also made me nostalgic for my home town, 589 00:34:07,630 --> 00:34:10,133 so it was a terrific audition. 590 00:34:10,216 --> 00:34:13,261 He's a really good actor. 591 00:34:13,344 --> 00:34:17,682 And we're asking... We ask a lot from somebody coming in 592 00:34:17,765 --> 00:34:20,560 for one episode or for a couple of scenes. 593 00:34:20,643 --> 00:34:22,645 - Yeah. - And this is his scene. 594 00:34:22,729 --> 00:34:26,065 And, you know, for this moment it's the Barry show. 595 00:34:26,941 --> 00:34:28,025 Right. 596 00:34:30,945 --> 00:34:33,781 Almost if you just turned over to a different channel, 597 00:34:33,865 --> 00:34:37,118 you wouldn't know this is a Saul episode. 598 00:34:37,201 --> 00:34:41,080 And I just love the way you put this together, Minkie. 599 00:34:43,374 --> 00:34:46,252 I'm always impressed by, and thankful for, 600 00:34:46,335 --> 00:34:50,089 the simplicity that you guys employ in the editing room. 601 00:34:50,173 --> 00:34:53,134 'Cause we do cover a lot on this show. 602 00:34:53,217 --> 00:34:56,429 But it always makes me happy that 603 00:34:56,512 --> 00:35:00,224 your instinct is to keep it simple. 604 00:35:02,852 --> 00:35:05,563 Well, I think the hope is that every cut means something. 605 00:35:05,646 --> 00:35:08,858 And also, you know, sometimes you just find... 606 00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:11,652 And sometimes the shot's not the one you expect. 607 00:35:12,195 --> 00:35:14,447 - No, it's not. - It's the right one. 608 00:35:14,530 --> 00:35:16,699 I mean, Minkie using the briefcase in the foreground, 609 00:35:16,783 --> 00:35:18,117 then shooting over the top of it, 610 00:35:18,201 --> 00:35:21,037 or the light in the back of the car that's blinking and blinking. 611 00:35:22,246 --> 00:35:26,501 Minkie Spiro has studied films forever. 612 00:35:26,584 --> 00:35:28,878 - You have too. - It's true. 613 00:35:28,961 --> 00:35:31,923 I can even tell you where a couple of those shots come from. 614 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,261 This was one of the hardest transitions that we were deliberating 615 00:35:37,345 --> 00:35:39,555 to try and get this pullback from your badge. 616 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:42,141 But it pulled off. Look at that. I love that. 617 00:35:43,726 --> 00:35:45,561 You would. I look short! 618 00:35:45,645 --> 00:35:47,647 What are you talking about? It's just art. 619 00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:49,607 It's little half moons. 620 00:35:49,690 --> 00:35:51,651 It's like the shark fin. 621 00:35:51,734 --> 00:35:53,069 It is, it's true. 622 00:35:53,152 --> 00:35:55,154 You're like the shark fin coming through the water. 623 00:35:55,238 --> 00:35:56,489 It is, it's great. 624 00:35:59,408 --> 00:36:00,952 This episode is a weird flip 625 00:36:01,035 --> 00:36:04,372 because Jimmy's the one with all the heavy drama 626 00:36:04,455 --> 00:36:06,791 and who's really suffering. 627 00:36:06,874 --> 00:36:08,334 And Mike has got the comedy. 628 00:36:08,417 --> 00:36:11,963 I had so much fun in this. Oh my God, I had fun in this. 629 00:36:12,046 --> 00:36:15,132 Here comes Brendan Jennings and... 630 00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:19,011 Amazing, amazing boys. They really pulled this off. 631 00:36:20,179 --> 00:36:22,306 - Bechir Sylvain. - Yes. 632 00:36:22,932 --> 00:36:24,267 Having this argument. 633 00:36:26,143 --> 00:36:27,186 Funny. 634 00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:31,315 This is exactly the argument 635 00:36:31,399 --> 00:36:34,318 the kids had in the school yard when I was little. 636 00:36:34,402 --> 00:36:37,071 Muhammad Ali hits you, you're going down, that's a fact. 637 00:36:37,154 --> 00:36:40,408 By the way, it's Muhammad Ali for the win, I think, right? 638 00:36:40,491 --> 00:36:43,619 - I think so. - No, listen. Mike has the line. 639 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,124 I just love how you 640 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,254 were sandwiched between them and just very subtly, you know, 641 00:36:54,171 --> 00:36:57,800 understated but just beautifully pitched that little looks to them. 642 00:37:02,597 --> 00:37:03,764 Does he have a gun? 643 00:37:03,848 --> 00:37:04,765 Does he have a gun? 644 00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:07,476 - I'm sorry? - Does Bruce Lee have a gun? 645 00:37:08,019 --> 00:37:11,314 Because if he doesn't, it's Ali in three minutes or less. 646 00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:17,737 - It's true too. - Yeah, of course it's true. 647 00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:20,281 - These guys are good. - They really are. 648 00:37:23,034 --> 00:37:26,913 This was very difficult to cast, these two guys, believe it or not. 649 00:37:26,996 --> 00:37:30,541 Let me tell you something, they were totally prepared and ready to go. 650 00:37:31,417 --> 00:37:35,212 They were having fun. That was great. 651 00:37:36,756 --> 00:37:40,092 if Lee tried to sweep Ali's legs, he'll sidestep. 652 00:37:40,176 --> 00:37:42,011 Ali was fast for his size, yes. 653 00:37:42,094 --> 00:37:44,263 - "Reach for the stars!" - Yes! 654 00:37:54,649 --> 00:37:55,733 Mike's just... 655 00:37:57,068 --> 00:38:00,237 One of the fun things about watching this on the theatre screen 656 00:38:01,197 --> 00:38:06,535 is you're completely aware that that badge really looks nothing like Mike whatsoever. 657 00:38:06,619 --> 00:38:08,829 And nobody notices, and you believe it. 658 00:38:10,373 --> 00:38:12,792 Right, because people are working their job. 659 00:38:12,875 --> 00:38:15,419 They don't watch everybody around them. 660 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,463 This is so great. 661 00:38:17,546 --> 00:38:19,382 We'd tell the audience that this place 662 00:38:19,465 --> 00:38:22,385 you couldn't chew gum in here, you couldn't anything. 663 00:38:22,468 --> 00:38:23,552 And it was freezing. 664 00:38:23,636 --> 00:38:24,679 And it was freezing. 665 00:38:24,762 --> 00:38:27,390 And until 3.00 a.m. you just kept going, Jonathan. 666 00:38:28,265 --> 00:38:30,184 What was it, Jon? What is this place? 667 00:38:30,267 --> 00:38:33,020 It's the... what is it called? 668 00:38:33,104 --> 00:38:34,939 - Sysco. - Sysco warehouse. 669 00:38:35,022 --> 00:38:38,442 So, there's all that dry food in there. 670 00:38:38,526 --> 00:38:42,321 And boy, do they keep it pristine. 671 00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:45,157 So, food for restaurants and things. 672 00:38:45,241 --> 00:38:47,243 Yeah, 'cause they can't get it infected. 673 00:38:47,326 --> 00:38:49,412 They can't have contamination of any kind. 674 00:38:49,495 --> 00:38:51,580 It's enormous beyond belief. 675 00:38:54,583 --> 00:38:57,545 It's just, there are so many visual possibilities here. 676 00:38:57,628 --> 00:38:58,671 And Minkie uses them all. 677 00:38:58,754 --> 00:39:02,466 And those forklifts come flying through, some of these. 678 00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:04,635 You really... Yeah. 679 00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:08,347 There's one gag we wanted to do, 680 00:39:08,431 --> 00:39:11,600 which was the lights were all sensor-driven, 681 00:39:11,684 --> 00:39:15,479 but that would have caused a lot of time and effort for reset, 682 00:39:15,563 --> 00:39:17,148 so we just kept them all on. 683 00:39:17,231 --> 00:39:21,360 In other words, the lights come on when they sense somebody nearby. 684 00:39:21,444 --> 00:39:25,823 So they flicker on. It's a very unusual place to be. 685 00:39:25,906 --> 00:39:28,576 They've been very nice to us and it's much appreciated. 686 00:39:28,659 --> 00:39:30,077 They were great to us. 687 00:39:33,539 --> 00:39:35,374 And this I hated. 688 00:39:37,668 --> 00:39:38,711 Why? 689 00:39:38,794 --> 00:39:42,048 Couple of times just getting that crap out of there. 690 00:39:42,131 --> 00:39:45,509 And trying to reveal what needed to be revealed. 691 00:39:45,593 --> 00:39:50,556 Well, I had to jump into a garbage bin 692 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:52,475 with coffee grounds and crap. 693 00:39:52,558 --> 00:39:54,310 It was fun. I loved it. 694 00:39:54,393 --> 00:39:59,440 I love that kind of craziness at 2.00 a.m., doing stuff like that. 695 00:39:59,523 --> 00:40:02,401 But it always makes me amazed. 696 00:40:06,614 --> 00:40:08,699 Mike is just so ballsy. 697 00:40:08,783 --> 00:40:11,327 I love that this is what he's doing, 698 00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:14,789 is that we discover he's going, "I'm gonna do my freaking job. 699 00:40:14,872 --> 00:40:18,167 You're paying me. I'm not gonna get caught out on this." 700 00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:20,336 Ramirez, team leader. 701 00:40:20,419 --> 00:40:23,464 I love it that he's clocking him for his badge, 702 00:40:23,547 --> 00:40:26,175 - and we blatantly put his fake one there. - Yes! 703 00:40:27,551 --> 00:40:30,721 May I ask why none of your guys are wearing a lift belt? 704 00:40:31,806 --> 00:40:33,015 Lift belt? 705 00:40:33,432 --> 00:40:35,684 - We don't usually... - Stop what you're doing. 706 00:40:35,768 --> 00:40:38,229 We appreciated this guy cutting all his hair off for us. 707 00:40:38,312 --> 00:40:41,899 That's true. He had a beard and long hair. 708 00:40:41,982 --> 00:40:44,360 - Oh, did he? - Yeah, he was very nice. 709 00:40:44,443 --> 00:40:45,903 - A sweet guy. - A good guy. 710 00:40:46,821 --> 00:40:49,323 Hey, hold up. Shut it down. 711 00:40:49,949 --> 00:40:50,950 Shut it down. 712 00:40:51,033 --> 00:40:53,577 So, there's a couple things Mike's doing here. 713 00:40:53,661 --> 00:40:56,455 He's causing trouble. He's kinda pissed, right? 714 00:40:56,539 --> 00:40:59,625 He wants to get a call, right? 715 00:41:00,126 --> 00:41:02,128 He wants to get called in. Right, Peter? 716 00:41:03,671 --> 00:41:06,090 - I think, yeah. - It's a little bit of a "fuck you," right? 717 00:41:06,173 --> 00:41:08,926 I think he's, "If I'm gonna get paid..." It's what you said before. 718 00:41:09,009 --> 00:41:11,679 "If I'm gonna get paid, I'm gonna do something." 719 00:41:11,762 --> 00:41:14,056 And to hell with the consequences. 720 00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:16,433 And then also, in the next episode he explains, 721 00:41:16,517 --> 00:41:17,893 "If I actually show up... 722 00:41:17,977 --> 00:41:21,063 If it's just a no-show job, then maybe someone might tease it out." 723 00:41:21,147 --> 00:41:22,523 Mike goes far beyond that. 724 00:41:22,606 --> 00:41:26,485 The more information he has, the more money he's gonna get for himself. 725 00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:29,947 The simplicity of it. And he knows Lydia's dirty. 726 00:41:31,157 --> 00:41:34,535 All you've got to do is find out about it. Find out what it is. 727 00:41:34,618 --> 00:41:35,870 This was great. 728 00:41:39,081 --> 00:41:42,543 Again, this is actually, weirdly enough, it's the same location. 729 00:41:42,626 --> 00:41:46,505 This is Sysco's office that goes along with the warehouse. 730 00:41:46,589 --> 00:41:49,133 - Wow. - And it's just vast. 731 00:41:49,216 --> 00:41:52,178 Everything about this place is vast. 732 00:41:52,261 --> 00:41:55,347 - I love the way you shoot it, Minkie. - Thank you. It's a lot of fun. 733 00:41:55,431 --> 00:41:58,100 - All the comedy here. - Mad. 734 00:42:00,895 --> 00:42:02,980 - Done on purpose. - And this was a mouthful. 735 00:42:03,063 --> 00:42:05,691 This is like something Bobby had to do every day. 736 00:42:08,694 --> 00:42:10,070 This is a mouthful. 737 00:42:10,404 --> 00:42:13,574 - You did it. You did great. - Well, gee, thanks. 738 00:42:14,033 --> 00:42:15,659 Security consultant. 739 00:42:17,286 --> 00:42:20,497 Well, all due respect, I don't know anything about a security consultant. 740 00:42:20,581 --> 00:42:22,082 Well, you wouldn't, would you? 741 00:42:23,459 --> 00:42:25,419 Maybe you'd best call corporate. 742 00:42:31,759 --> 00:42:33,636 - He's causing trouble. - He is. 743 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,097 He's gotta... He's an angry guy. 744 00:42:37,890 --> 00:42:43,437 This is grand. I can't believe you got everybody to show up. It's amazing. 745 00:42:43,938 --> 00:42:46,857 All the faces from all the years. 746 00:42:46,941 --> 00:42:49,568 - It's wonderful. - And there's a wonderful actor. 747 00:42:49,652 --> 00:42:51,904 - Ed Begley. - What a wonderful guy, yeah. 748 00:42:54,365 --> 00:42:56,700 - Boutsikaris. - Dennis. Yeah, Dennis. Wonderful. 749 00:42:57,368 --> 00:43:01,830 Yeah, I mean, people came in just for this one scene. 750 00:43:02,665 --> 00:43:04,959 And thank God for our producers, too, 751 00:43:05,042 --> 00:43:08,128 who, you know, had to figure out a way to fly all these people in, 752 00:43:08,212 --> 00:43:10,923 and understood the importance of it. 753 00:43:11,006 --> 00:43:11,924 Yeah. 754 00:43:12,007 --> 00:43:14,802 And the idea was every single one of those shots to now, 755 00:43:14,885 --> 00:43:17,930 all four of those characters were all shot in the same way. 756 00:43:18,013 --> 00:43:20,307 So there's this repetition of all the time... 757 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,605 Saul having to, Jimmy having to receive condolences. 758 00:43:26,689 --> 00:43:28,482 I really like it, Minkie. 759 00:43:30,067 --> 00:43:31,735 Funeral scenes are tough. 760 00:43:32,403 --> 00:43:36,490 Because it's one of those things that everybody's done a million times. 761 00:43:36,573 --> 00:43:38,784 And I think the... 762 00:43:38,867 --> 00:43:44,081 What we tried to do was to make it about what Jimmy's feeling in his psychology, 763 00:43:44,999 --> 00:43:47,293 instead of just trying to do the whole funeral. 764 00:43:47,376 --> 00:43:48,335 Yeah. 765 00:43:50,087 --> 00:43:52,506 - Ann Cusack. - What a good woman. 766 00:43:52,589 --> 00:43:56,093 - Oh yeah, Ann Cusack's great. - Ann's great. Great actress, great person. 767 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,180 Fabian, totally tortured at the moment in that character. 768 00:44:00,264 --> 00:44:04,351 He really was brilliant in this episode. He really delivered. 769 00:44:04,435 --> 00:44:05,519 - He... - Was wonderful. 770 00:44:05,602 --> 00:44:06,812 - Home run. - Yeah. 771 00:44:11,358 --> 00:44:14,695 Post-funeral zombies. 772 00:44:15,404 --> 00:44:17,364 - Yeah. - I need to eat something. 773 00:44:17,448 --> 00:44:18,866 Yeah, I think you're right. 774 00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:22,369 And then, what's this? Howard's sitting outside? 775 00:44:23,495 --> 00:44:26,707 What the hell's going on? Oh, he looks like a wreck. 776 00:44:27,291 --> 00:44:30,544 To try and make him look like a wreck is not easy. 777 00:44:30,627 --> 00:44:34,214 Yeah, no, he's a handsome fella, and he keeps himself in good shape. 778 00:44:34,298 --> 00:44:35,924 And his costume is always... 779 00:44:36,008 --> 00:44:38,302 If you take it too far, it looks ridiculous. 780 00:44:38,385 --> 00:44:41,764 He's one of those people who, I think when he puts on a shirt, 781 00:44:41,847 --> 00:44:45,934 if it's wrinkled when it's on the hanger, he puts it on, it flattens out. 782 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,774 He's a self-ironing human being. 783 00:44:51,857 --> 00:44:52,941 Exactly. 784 00:44:53,025 --> 00:44:57,196 I think you two here, it was just an amazing... 785 00:44:57,279 --> 00:45:00,491 Yeah, but what a shot, Minkie. Look at you, look at you. 786 00:45:01,658 --> 00:45:02,659 Thank you. 787 00:45:07,915 --> 00:45:11,919 You probably heard Chuck was retiring from HHM. 788 00:45:13,420 --> 00:45:14,922 But that's not the truth. 789 00:45:16,882 --> 00:45:20,344 The truth is that we had a disagreement... 790 00:45:20,427 --> 00:45:24,681 Yeah, now we're falling into the thing which you're not supposed to do on these, 791 00:45:24,765 --> 00:45:26,308 which is to start watching the scene. 792 00:45:26,392 --> 00:45:28,977 - But it's a hard scene not to... - It's a damn good scene. 793 00:45:29,061 --> 00:45:31,355 It's a hard scene not to sit and watch. 794 00:45:31,438 --> 00:45:34,066 Fabian's rocking it hard. 795 00:45:34,149 --> 00:45:35,275 And you are too. 796 00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:38,070 Yeah, the two of you are just sublime in this one. 797 00:45:38,153 --> 00:45:40,030 All three of you are. 798 00:45:40,114 --> 00:45:42,741 I was so thankful that this played for the audience 799 00:45:42,825 --> 00:45:45,494 'cause it's a lot going on inside people. 800 00:45:45,577 --> 00:45:47,830 And not a lot going on outside them, you know? 801 00:45:47,913 --> 00:45:50,582 I'd like to point out it's a different fish. 802 00:45:51,375 --> 00:45:57,089 I didn't know the representative from PETA, Jonathan Banks, was here. 803 00:45:57,172 --> 00:46:00,300 It is. You know, you're right. We're... 804 00:46:00,384 --> 00:46:02,761 Here's the thing. We were taking big risks. 805 00:46:02,845 --> 00:46:03,887 Yeah. 806 00:46:03,971 --> 00:46:06,640 About how much is going on inside the characters, 807 00:46:06,723 --> 00:46:08,559 how much is said, what's unsaid, 808 00:46:08,642 --> 00:46:11,645 how much we're hoping the audience puts together. 809 00:46:11,728 --> 00:46:14,606 And they did. They totally got it. 810 00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:18,360 And they got that this lightened Jimmy's load... 811 00:46:19,445 --> 00:46:22,197 to find out that he was the cause... 812 00:46:24,116 --> 00:46:27,828 of the thing that turned his brother 813 00:46:27,911 --> 00:46:30,497 and made him... kill himself. 814 00:46:30,581 --> 00:46:33,584 That's about as old as I've ever seen Patrick look, right there. 815 00:46:35,169 --> 00:46:38,338 But it's such a strong image. 816 00:46:39,381 --> 00:46:40,591 But you're right. 817 00:46:42,676 --> 00:46:45,512 And then there's a little bit of a turn where I start thinking, 818 00:46:45,596 --> 00:46:50,350 "Boy, he's kind of broken up and it wasn't his brother." 819 00:46:50,434 --> 00:46:52,811 Well, Howard, I guess that's your cross to bear. 820 00:46:56,815 --> 00:46:58,317 Oh, that's cold. 821 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,527 Every time we shot that, and you said it, 822 00:47:00,611 --> 00:47:02,905 it's still just good. 823 00:47:03,572 --> 00:47:08,535 It's everything. It's the words and it's also the reactions. 824 00:47:09,661 --> 00:47:12,122 And then gonna feed the fish. 825 00:47:12,206 --> 00:47:13,499 - As you do. - Big smile. 826 00:47:14,541 --> 00:47:16,877 - Back to life. - This is just great. 827 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,046 make coffee. Anybody want some? 828 00:47:20,506 --> 00:47:23,008 It's a pretty subtle twist. 829 00:47:23,091 --> 00:47:26,470 - It is. Very subtle and deep twist. - But it is a twist. 830 00:47:27,262 --> 00:47:28,222 Whistling. 831 00:47:31,475 --> 00:47:34,770 - She's like, "What the hell is going on?" - She's amazing. 832 00:47:34,853 --> 00:47:37,606 - Oh my God. I want to see more. - "What is happening?" 833 00:47:37,689 --> 00:47:41,068 - It's a hell of an episode. - I was supposed to leave half an hour ago. 834 00:47:41,151 --> 00:47:44,363 - And I stayed for the whole thing. - Well, thank you for staying. 835 00:47:44,446 --> 00:47:48,283 Just before we go, Minkie, what an honour to be able to work with you. 836 00:47:48,367 --> 00:47:49,910 And please come back. 837 00:47:49,993 --> 00:47:52,329 And the feeling's mutual. I cannot tell you. 838 00:47:52,412 --> 00:47:54,456 It is a joy and a privilege 839 00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:56,583 - to work on this show. - Great job, Minkie. 840 00:47:56,667 --> 00:47:58,335 Privilege, it really is. 841 00:47:58,919 --> 00:48:02,714 That was fun. It was a very risky episode. 842 00:48:02,798 --> 00:48:05,842 I'm glad... I feel like it worked and I'm really happy for it. 843 00:48:06,301 --> 00:48:07,135 Yeah. 844 00:48:07,219 --> 00:48:09,137 - So, thank you, guys. - Thank you.