1 00:00:05,215 --> 00:00:08,385 Okay, this is Episode 407, "Something Stupid". 2 00:00:08,885 --> 00:00:12,222 Alison Tatlock wrote this one, Deborah Chow directed it, 3 00:00:12,305 --> 00:00:16,309 and I'm Peter Gould, the co-creator and executive producer. 4 00:00:16,810 --> 00:00:18,395 Hi, it's Bob Odenkirk. 5 00:00:19,187 --> 00:00:20,814 Melissa Bernstein, producer. 6 00:00:21,272 --> 00:00:22,982 And Alison Tatlock, writer. 7 00:00:23,441 --> 00:00:26,695 So, who had the brilliant idea to do this split screen? 8 00:00:26,778 --> 00:00:29,906 'Cause I... when I read it in the script, I was like... 9 00:00:31,324 --> 00:00:34,911 "This is so genius. Someone must've thought of it." 10 00:00:34,994 --> 00:00:35,995 - It's just... - I blame Peter. 11 00:00:36,871 --> 00:00:40,625 Has anyone ever thought of this before in the history of film? 12 00:00:40,709 --> 00:00:45,004 A split screen that sometimes becomes one 13 00:00:45,422 --> 00:00:48,967 and really juxtaposes life like this? 14 00:00:49,718 --> 00:00:51,511 - It's really brilliant. - Wow. 15 00:00:52,011 --> 00:00:53,304 Peter, this is your notion? 16 00:00:53,388 --> 00:00:55,306 Look, I... 17 00:00:55,557 --> 00:00:58,518 It's... The writers' room is a wonderful place, 18 00:00:58,601 --> 00:01:00,645 and what goes on there, who knows? 19 00:01:00,729 --> 00:01:03,732 It was somebody's idea, and I think it was all together. 20 00:01:05,442 --> 00:01:06,818 Writing, you know... 21 00:01:06,901 --> 00:01:10,572 That was Steve Sawhill, our lead man, just saying, on the left side. 22 00:01:11,072 --> 00:01:16,494 It's an interesting thing because Deborah, of course, 23 00:01:16,578 --> 00:01:18,580 really masterminded this. 24 00:01:19,164 --> 00:01:22,625 Deborah... But it's also... it was written, like you said, Bob, 25 00:01:22,709 --> 00:01:24,586 it's written in the script, 26 00:01:24,669 --> 00:01:27,255 and most of these images are at least written in the script 27 00:01:27,338 --> 00:01:31,342 but, of course, the execution, you know, that's another thing altogether. 28 00:01:31,426 --> 00:01:34,179 The scariest thing for me, trying to articulate it, 29 00:01:34,262 --> 00:01:37,724 were the moments when we crossed the line. 30 00:01:37,807 --> 00:01:39,934 - Right. - So, the moment that's coming up, 31 00:01:40,018 --> 00:01:42,562 we'll see in a minute, with the wine bottle, for instance. 32 00:01:42,645 --> 00:01:46,524 I remember standing up in the room 33 00:01:46,608 --> 00:01:50,111 and almost acting it out and trying to... 34 00:01:50,195 --> 00:01:54,199 here we go... trying to act out the fact that there was a line, 35 00:01:54,282 --> 00:01:57,410 that my hand was going to cross the line, that the bottle was going to cross... 36 00:01:57,494 --> 00:01:58,870 So, I was you, Bob, 37 00:01:58,953 --> 00:02:01,956 and then trying to articulate that so that it was clear... 38 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,042 - To who? The director? - to everybody else. 39 00:02:04,125 --> 00:02:08,004 To the director and to all of our entire amazing crew... 40 00:02:08,087 --> 00:02:09,839 - Mm-hmm. - and the camera folks especially. 41 00:02:09,923 --> 00:02:10,882 Yeah, I... 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,762 As soon as I read it, I was like, "Yes, of course, that's genius." 43 00:02:15,845 --> 00:02:21,226 Like, you know, I feel like it's so easy and fundamental to understand that. 44 00:02:21,893 --> 00:02:24,437 That's why it's like, "Didn't someone do this once?" 45 00:02:24,521 --> 00:02:26,523 - I mean, no one ever thought of this? - They must have. 46 00:02:26,606 --> 00:02:29,776 It's brilliant. It's brilliant. It's a brilliant way to pass time, 47 00:02:29,859 --> 00:02:33,738 to show these people drifting apart but also still staying together. 48 00:04:15,131 --> 00:04:16,299 I was impressed, Bob, 49 00:04:16,382 --> 00:04:18,176 by how many times you guys had to brush your teeth. 50 00:04:18,259 --> 00:04:20,219 I have to say, I actually was a little worried about 51 00:04:20,303 --> 00:04:21,679 the gums of the actors, 52 00:04:21,763 --> 00:04:24,432 just having to brush teeth over and over and over again. 53 00:04:24,515 --> 00:04:25,975 - We had a medic on set. - Okay, good. 54 00:04:26,059 --> 00:04:28,770 Just... At the ready for bloody gums. 55 00:04:29,395 --> 00:04:30,939 - Fake brushing my teeth. - Okay. 56 00:04:31,022 --> 00:04:32,815 It's Deborah... 57 00:04:32,899 --> 00:04:34,776 We have to give all kudos to Deborah, 58 00:04:34,859 --> 00:04:36,986 who, unfortunately, wanted to be here and couldn't be, 59 00:04:37,528 --> 00:04:40,490 because this was her first episode for us and... 60 00:04:42,033 --> 00:04:44,577 she said something very interesting that I heard. 61 00:04:44,661 --> 00:04:48,164 She said she basically tackled this as if it was two episodes. 62 00:04:48,247 --> 00:04:51,084 This teaser was a whole episode's worth of prep 63 00:04:51,167 --> 00:04:52,877 and then there was the rest of the episode. 64 00:04:52,961 --> 00:04:54,462 And... really... 65 00:04:56,047 --> 00:04:57,382 She really did a wonderful job. 66 00:04:57,465 --> 00:05:00,259 There were people who I respect who read this 67 00:05:00,343 --> 00:05:03,388 and said, "This could be our Waterloo." 68 00:05:03,471 --> 00:05:05,848 I really had a... I had a second thought 69 00:05:05,932 --> 00:05:10,561 because it's... it's so many pieces on a... on a television schedule. 70 00:05:11,145 --> 00:05:12,855 But it's just beautifully pulled off. 71 00:05:12,939 --> 00:05:16,317 Vince himself read it and was like, "Thank God I'm not directing that." 72 00:05:16,401 --> 00:05:17,402 That's right. 73 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:22,407 And it's so sad at the end. People are very moved by that last moment. 74 00:05:24,575 --> 00:05:26,869 There's that little machine that you put your legs in 75 00:05:26,953 --> 00:05:29,539 and it's supposed to readjust your back. 76 00:05:29,956 --> 00:05:32,000 Yeah, we'll have to find out when he gets that thing. 77 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:33,501 I wanna try that. 78 00:05:33,584 --> 00:05:34,794 There's a whole episode on that, right? 79 00:05:34,877 --> 00:05:36,379 - That's right. That's how we roll. - Yeah. 80 00:05:39,632 --> 00:05:41,884 - Siopy. Trina. - Siopy. 81 00:05:41,968 --> 00:05:45,221 Trina is the name of the real estate company, 82 00:05:45,304 --> 00:05:47,890 is named after our prop... 83 00:05:49,142 --> 00:05:53,062 Genius woman who's been with us since Breaking Bad. 84 00:05:53,146 --> 00:05:55,314 - So true. She is. - And just the greatest. 85 00:05:55,398 --> 00:05:58,901 And she's also a stunt woman too. She's done stunts for us as well. 86 00:05:58,985 --> 00:06:00,695 Yeah. Yeah, she's an actress. 87 00:06:02,447 --> 00:06:03,781 Because this was shot as a oner, 88 00:06:03,865 --> 00:06:07,285 Bob had to do the whole thing over and over and over. 89 00:06:07,368 --> 00:06:09,287 - Well, this was very challenging. - Quite a feat. 90 00:06:09,370 --> 00:06:11,164 - This was very challenging. - Why? 91 00:06:11,247 --> 00:06:12,248 On top of... 92 00:06:12,749 --> 00:06:15,710 Well, on top of that montage that you just saw, then you got this. 93 00:06:15,793 --> 00:06:17,253 I mean, this is brutal. 94 00:06:17,336 --> 00:06:20,423 Because timing it out is so hard, and the camera didn't fit through the... 95 00:06:20,506 --> 00:06:22,759 This little cutaway was not part of it. 96 00:06:23,259 --> 00:06:27,472 But they had to put a cutaway in because it was... 97 00:06:27,555 --> 00:06:31,601 Getting the camera through these doorways, this is just a regular place, 98 00:06:31,684 --> 00:06:36,814 there's nothing special about it, and you got a camera and rig around it, 99 00:06:36,898 --> 00:06:39,233 and moving around was just too hard. 100 00:06:39,317 --> 00:06:43,905 It always became herky-jerky and very hard to handle. 101 00:06:43,988 --> 00:06:46,074 So, that cutaway saved us. 102 00:06:46,157 --> 00:06:48,910 And how about... You were doing this direct-to-camera thing, right? 103 00:06:48,993 --> 00:06:50,787 Which is not part of our style on the show. 104 00:06:50,870 --> 00:06:51,954 Yes. 105 00:06:52,038 --> 00:06:53,664 Well, this is tricky stuff. 106 00:06:53,748 --> 00:06:56,084 Risky, but hopefully, 107 00:06:56,876 --> 00:07:02,090 people find it engaging and, what... and the story is told. 108 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:05,927 get one of those snazzy Keurigs, put that in there. 109 00:07:06,344 --> 00:07:09,305 Stick a few potted plants around and make the place nice. 110 00:07:09,806 --> 00:07:10,681 What do you think? 111 00:07:12,016 --> 00:07:15,770 It was an interesting scene to cut because there were so many great takes. 112 00:07:15,853 --> 00:07:18,106 - Oh, good. - And because we had to use... 113 00:07:18,189 --> 00:07:20,399 You know, we had to use those two big chunks. 114 00:07:20,483 --> 00:07:25,404 It was like, "Ah, which one, which one is the one?" 115 00:07:25,488 --> 00:07:29,659 And so, we had to experiment quite a bit. I'm real happy with the way it came out. 116 00:07:29,742 --> 00:07:36,582 Of course, you two guys have chemistry. You and Lavell have great chemistry. 117 00:07:36,666 --> 00:07:41,045 I love him. He's so funny. He's just great. He's a great actor. 118 00:07:41,129 --> 00:07:42,463 - He is. - He did his great scene, 119 00:07:42,547 --> 00:07:44,340 - I think it's in this episode. - It is. 120 00:07:44,423 --> 00:07:45,466 - Yeah. - Oh, my God. 121 00:07:45,550 --> 00:07:50,054 I mean, he's a stand-up, and if you never watched him do stand-up, 122 00:07:50,138 --> 00:07:52,723 go on YouTube and watch some Lavell Crawford. 123 00:07:53,391 --> 00:07:57,270 And... he does a great job acting. Look here, here we've got him. 124 00:07:57,353 --> 00:07:59,438 Here's the man from Breaking Bad now. 125 00:08:00,523 --> 00:08:05,528 Really shut down, tapping, tapping away. 126 00:08:05,611 --> 00:08:09,031 He's so rageful. This... This... 127 00:08:09,490 --> 00:08:14,370 The way Mark plays this guy. He's... He's so angry. He's just... 128 00:08:14,453 --> 00:08:17,331 It's like, it looks like he could light a fire with his eyes. 129 00:08:17,415 --> 00:08:18,416 Yeah. 130 00:08:18,499 --> 00:08:20,877 And Poorna came in, who plays the doctor, 131 00:08:21,586 --> 00:08:25,673 speaking fluently in both English and Spanish, 132 00:08:25,756 --> 00:08:27,133 which I was very impressed by. 133 00:08:29,260 --> 00:08:30,803 She is terrific. She has... 134 00:08:32,346 --> 00:08:34,932 She just has... You just respect her. 135 00:08:35,016 --> 00:08:41,522 You just look at her and you respect her, she has just a lot of... gravitas. 136 00:08:41,606 --> 00:08:44,358 I really believe her as a... as a doctor. 137 00:08:44,442 --> 00:08:48,821 And LeighAnn Gould was a good sport here who's playing the nurse. 138 00:08:50,448 --> 00:08:51,490 Not putting, uh... 139 00:08:52,408 --> 00:08:54,452 Just... Just being what she is. 140 00:08:54,535 --> 00:08:55,369 Yeah. 141 00:08:55,453 --> 00:08:57,622 And Poorna's character is unknowingly 142 00:08:57,705 --> 00:09:01,083 in between these underworld forces, 143 00:09:01,167 --> 00:09:03,753 who are at odds in such an intense way. 144 00:09:03,836 --> 00:09:04,754 That's true. 145 00:09:04,837 --> 00:09:08,549 It's interesting how much is going on with Mark Margolis when he's not... 146 00:09:08,633 --> 00:09:10,384 - He doesn't speak. - No. 147 00:09:10,468 --> 00:09:14,639 He's done speaking on this show and yet, behind the eyes, 148 00:09:14,722 --> 00:09:19,143 there's so much story being told here. You know? 149 00:09:19,227 --> 00:09:20,978 It's a tour de force. 150 00:09:21,646 --> 00:09:25,358 And we get the backstory on his communication tool with his finger. 151 00:09:26,192 --> 00:09:28,069 Oh, yeah, I love that so much. 152 00:09:28,861 --> 00:09:32,740 These are my favourite scenes in this whole season, Peter. You know... 153 00:09:32,823 --> 00:09:34,283 - Really? - Oh, yeah. 154 00:09:34,367 --> 00:09:37,078 The scenes where Jimmy and Kim are... 155 00:09:38,955 --> 00:09:40,289 just hanging out 156 00:09:40,373 --> 00:09:43,292 and, like, in between stuff and, like, trying to... 157 00:09:44,669 --> 00:09:47,004 I don't know, just trying to... you just... 158 00:09:47,088 --> 00:09:51,259 It's kind of like they're not scenes that move the plot forward, 159 00:09:51,342 --> 00:09:54,720 although everything moves the plot forward a little bit, really. 160 00:09:55,429 --> 00:09:57,348 But they're just like a couple hanging out. 161 00:09:57,431 --> 00:09:58,391 I fucking love it. 162 00:09:58,474 --> 00:10:02,853 And I think that it's one of the things that you can get 163 00:10:02,937 --> 00:10:06,732 when the actors genuinely like each other and know each other. 164 00:10:07,149 --> 00:10:11,362 Like, it's easy to get an argument or even a love scene 165 00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:14,156 out of two actors who have no relationship, 166 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,244 because there's such strong emotions carrying you through. 167 00:10:18,786 --> 00:10:22,498 But that... that casual stuff that has a little, you know, 168 00:10:22,581 --> 00:10:24,333 affection running through it, 169 00:10:25,084 --> 00:10:29,046 which I think we have a number of scenes in this season like that, 170 00:10:29,130 --> 00:10:34,969 I think you can only really show that quality if you have, 171 00:10:35,052 --> 00:10:37,513 you know, a genuine relationship, which we do. 172 00:10:37,596 --> 00:10:41,058 I love it too, and in the original break of this episode 173 00:10:41,142 --> 00:10:44,562 when we were working on the story, we only had the one scene in the car. 174 00:10:44,645 --> 00:10:47,690 And then later we added the bookend of the other scene 175 00:10:47,773 --> 00:10:51,777 as you guys leave the party, and it was kind of the perfect solution. 176 00:10:51,861 --> 00:10:52,987 Oh, good. 177 00:10:53,070 --> 00:10:56,782 And now he's measuring as though there's any way that shitty office... 178 00:10:57,783 --> 00:11:02,538 If it was only two steps shorter, he could sell her on that shithole. 179 00:11:02,621 --> 00:11:03,914 You know? 180 00:11:03,998 --> 00:11:05,333 It's not that much bigger, actually. 181 00:11:05,416 --> 00:11:07,668 I love that can-do spirit, though. 182 00:11:08,419 --> 00:11:12,423 But it's just a joke to think that he could compete with this. 183 00:11:12,506 --> 00:11:13,966 He can't compete with this world. 184 00:11:14,050 --> 00:11:16,427 - Yeah. - And, you know... 185 00:11:17,053 --> 00:11:20,431 But there you see that Kim's more motivated by people 186 00:11:20,514 --> 00:11:24,060 than by the fact that she's got that framed. 187 00:11:24,643 --> 00:11:26,604 And a carefully selected typo. 188 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,357 - Mm-hmm. - That's right. That's right. 189 00:11:31,233 --> 00:11:33,986 I love what you say about Jimmy and Kim, 190 00:11:34,070 --> 00:11:39,116 'cause there's a real relationship between these two and they are... 191 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,578 Even if there's not a life-and-death moment going on, 192 00:11:42,661 --> 00:11:44,663 they're fascinating to watch. 193 00:11:45,081 --> 00:11:47,124 And that's one of the things I'm proudest of 194 00:11:47,541 --> 00:11:49,210 is that we have a show where there's, 195 00:11:49,293 --> 00:11:52,505 you know, there's all kinds of mayhem going on. 196 00:11:52,588 --> 00:11:55,633 But in some ways, the thing that you feel the most 197 00:11:55,716 --> 00:12:00,262 is what's going on between these two and kind of rooting for them, 198 00:12:00,346 --> 00:12:03,641 but also, I'm a little bit worried for them too. 199 00:12:04,266 --> 00:12:06,394 Of course, you should be. It's not going to work out. 200 00:12:06,477 --> 00:12:09,271 Look at Dennis Boutsikaris fucking kicking ass. 201 00:12:09,355 --> 00:12:10,189 Oh, yeah. 202 00:12:10,272 --> 00:12:13,859 Getting pushed around by this guy here 203 00:12:14,443 --> 00:12:17,780 in front of his employees, his high-end employees. 204 00:12:17,863 --> 00:12:21,534 And Esodie Geiger and Suzanne Savoy are back. 205 00:12:21,617 --> 00:12:26,414 We had them in Kim's initial interview at Schweikart and Cokely. 206 00:12:26,497 --> 00:12:29,708 How do you guys keep these people together? How do you keep... 207 00:12:29,792 --> 00:12:33,838 I mean, Dennis lives in New York and he shoots another show in Vancouver 208 00:12:34,463 --> 00:12:37,550 and just, you know, getting these actors out 209 00:12:37,633 --> 00:12:41,971 to be a part of the show is so wonderful, to keep this world alive. 210 00:12:42,763 --> 00:12:46,100 Bialy Thomas and Kiira Arai do such a great job 211 00:12:46,183 --> 00:12:48,102 - of keeping those relationships alive... - Uh-huh. 212 00:12:48,185 --> 00:12:52,481 and hopefully, we make it a place people want to come back to. 213 00:12:52,565 --> 00:12:56,193 And that's to you, Bob, and Rhea, and, you know, the actors, 214 00:12:56,277 --> 00:12:59,864 that you guys on your off days are having these rehearsals 215 00:12:59,947 --> 00:13:02,032 with the people who are just coming on for the day. 216 00:13:02,116 --> 00:13:04,743 - Right. - And I think the actors find this to be 217 00:13:04,827 --> 00:13:08,539 a really, you know, unique experience because of that. 218 00:13:08,622 --> 00:13:12,877 Well, it's a great group of amazing people who come in, 219 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,755 very oftentimes, for one day from a long way away. 220 00:13:16,839 --> 00:13:21,802 But we do try to make it a fun experience. We know our way around Albuquerque now. 221 00:13:22,344 --> 00:13:24,221 Take everybody up to Tent Rocks. 222 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:29,977 If you're going into Albuquerque, Santa Fe area, you got to hike Tent Rocks. 223 00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:33,731 Please bring water. Please bring water and maybe a PowerBar, 224 00:13:34,523 --> 00:13:37,485 'cause it's actually harder than it looks, but it's not that hard. 225 00:13:37,568 --> 00:13:41,697 But it's harder than it looks. And it's just really cool. 226 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:43,365 We do all kinds of stuff together. 227 00:13:43,449 --> 00:13:49,622 Go out to eat and hang out together and rehearse, as you say, which we do. 228 00:13:49,705 --> 00:13:52,166 I've had a couple of actors tell me 229 00:13:52,249 --> 00:13:55,669 that they feel more welcomed on this show than any other. 230 00:13:55,753 --> 00:13:58,589 I don't understand sets where they don't do that. 231 00:13:58,672 --> 00:14:00,591 But I've been on them. 232 00:14:00,674 --> 00:14:03,177 Sets where you show up and no one even says hi to you. 233 00:14:03,260 --> 00:14:04,345 It's like, "What?" 234 00:14:04,428 --> 00:14:09,058 There's a new face there. Just say hi. It costs you nothing. 235 00:14:09,141 --> 00:14:10,142 Hey, um... 236 00:14:10,809 --> 00:14:12,228 Uh, how... 237 00:14:12,311 --> 00:14:15,356 Did you shorten this, you guys, in editing? 238 00:14:15,439 --> 00:14:17,775 - We did. We did. This... - Yeah. 239 00:14:17,858 --> 00:14:19,068 You know, it's interesting, 240 00:14:19,151 --> 00:14:21,612 there was a little bit more at the end especially. 241 00:14:21,695 --> 00:14:23,280 - But Dennis' face... - Yeah. 242 00:14:23,364 --> 00:14:25,783 - I think you did a great job. Yeah. - What you and Dennis did 243 00:14:25,866 --> 00:14:27,284 - kind of told the whole story... - Yeah. 244 00:14:27,368 --> 00:14:30,621 and so, we ended up omitting a bunch of dialogue at the end, actually. 245 00:14:30,704 --> 00:14:31,997 - Yeah. - And this tells the rest of it. 246 00:14:32,081 --> 00:14:35,084 And Rhea too. Rhea's expression through that entire sequence 247 00:14:35,167 --> 00:14:39,004 that we were just watching, I... I'm so impressed by. 248 00:14:39,088 --> 00:14:44,426 Just the nuance of everything passing over her face as the thing escalates. 249 00:14:45,553 --> 00:14:49,098 Yeah, we have the advantage of having watched these scenes, 250 00:14:49,181 --> 00:14:51,559 - some of them dozens and dozens of times. - Yes. 251 00:14:51,976 --> 00:14:54,228 And so, you get to look and there's... 252 00:14:54,311 --> 00:14:56,897 Everybody is there and everybody's feeling it 253 00:14:56,981 --> 00:14:58,524 and it's... it's really nice. 254 00:14:58,607 --> 00:15:00,568 I love that you shortened that. 255 00:15:08,075 --> 00:15:09,368 This is incredible. 256 00:15:09,451 --> 00:15:12,913 This is incredible, this set-up, this scenario. 257 00:15:20,296 --> 00:15:22,965 The challenge here was convincing Peter's daughter 258 00:15:23,048 --> 00:15:27,303 that this was the right song. She was in post for a little while. 259 00:15:27,386 --> 00:15:30,556 She came in and she's like... She looked confused. 260 00:15:31,140 --> 00:15:34,226 But to me, there was just a rightness to it. 261 00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:36,812 And this was another one that was shortened. 262 00:15:36,895 --> 00:15:40,983 There was some dialogue here between Mike and Werner, 263 00:15:41,066 --> 00:15:43,611 where Mike actually gave him those... 264 00:15:43,694 --> 00:15:45,571 - The marzipan. - those treats, the marzipan. 265 00:15:45,654 --> 00:15:48,324 And which is actually a deleted scene available to you, 266 00:15:49,033 --> 00:15:52,202 the purchaser of this digital... this digital set. 267 00:15:53,370 --> 00:15:55,831 Do you know how much marzipan I ate because of that? 268 00:15:55,914 --> 00:15:57,541 - Really? - Lucky. 269 00:15:57,625 --> 00:15:58,542 So much. 270 00:15:58,626 --> 00:16:00,002 Is it good? What is it? 271 00:16:00,085 --> 00:16:01,629 I mean, it's pure sugar. 272 00:16:01,712 --> 00:16:03,213 - It's almond paste. - It's almond paste, yeah. 273 00:16:03,297 --> 00:16:04,340 Mmm. 274 00:16:04,798 --> 00:16:06,675 It is a German delicacy. 275 00:16:07,217 --> 00:16:11,388 You know, I think... I think guys would go crazy... 276 00:16:12,723 --> 00:16:16,268 doing this job as you show them going crazy. 277 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:21,774 They do... They would not survive it without a problem. 278 00:16:21,857 --> 00:16:27,488 You know, as this season shows they do. But anyway... 279 00:16:27,571 --> 00:16:30,282 Deborah was so excited to be in the laundry 280 00:16:30,366 --> 00:16:32,701 because, of course, she was a huge Breaking Bad fan, 281 00:16:32,785 --> 00:16:34,578 and she pulled me aside at one point and was like, 282 00:16:34,662 --> 00:16:37,414 "Oh, my God, can you believe this? We're here." 283 00:16:37,498 --> 00:16:41,335 Yeah, it's amazing, right? This... This world. 284 00:16:41,418 --> 00:16:45,673 It's pretty cool to see how that world, that thing got built. 285 00:16:45,756 --> 00:16:49,093 And it would be a brutal job, right? Just... 286 00:16:49,176 --> 00:16:50,010 Absolutely. 287 00:16:50,094 --> 00:16:50,928 - So hard. - I love this. 288 00:16:51,011 --> 00:16:52,304 Judy Rhee. 289 00:16:52,388 --> 00:16:54,223 Judy Rhee, our production designer, 290 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,061 and the whole construction team, everybody did just... 291 00:16:59,144 --> 00:17:01,980 Because this is actually... now we're on stage for this shot. 292 00:17:02,523 --> 00:17:06,860 We built this little transitional piece here, 293 00:17:06,944 --> 00:17:09,446 which is... which is on stage. 294 00:17:09,863 --> 00:17:12,324 So, when you go through the curtains... 295 00:17:12,950 --> 00:17:16,954 we're using that as a transition and it works really nicely. 296 00:17:18,580 --> 00:17:22,167 And this scene, actually, we did something else. 297 00:17:22,251 --> 00:17:25,379 We shot this scene with anamorphic lenses... 298 00:17:26,547 --> 00:17:30,384 just because we kept on talking about 2001: A Space Odyssey, 299 00:17:30,467 --> 00:17:32,261 and Marshall said, "What does that mean to you?" 300 00:17:32,344 --> 00:17:35,681 And we sort of broke it down and thought maybe it's the flares. 301 00:17:36,140 --> 00:17:41,145 And so, just this... this one entrance scene we shot using anamorphic lenses 302 00:17:41,228 --> 00:17:44,440 which yield those really interesting flares. 303 00:17:44,940 --> 00:17:49,737 It is like an otherworldly feeling, which seems right. 304 00:17:50,529 --> 00:17:51,530 Oh. 305 00:17:53,282 --> 00:17:56,785 What is this scene? I can't remember. 306 00:17:57,244 --> 00:17:59,580 This is Gus making the paila marina 307 00:17:59,663 --> 00:18:04,209 which he makes in Breaking Bad for Jesse and for Walt. Yeah. 308 00:18:06,378 --> 00:18:10,007 This is also the same location we had for Gus's house... 309 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:12,843 And who's this... The doctor, yeah. 310 00:18:12,926 --> 00:18:13,886 on Breaking Bad. 311 00:18:14,553 --> 00:18:16,722 And Paula Dal Santo, who's our art director, 312 00:18:16,805 --> 00:18:19,892 told me she used to babysit in this house. 313 00:18:19,975 --> 00:18:22,811 Yeah, she was having an out-of-body experience a little bit. 314 00:18:22,895 --> 00:18:23,729 I love it. 315 00:18:25,147 --> 00:18:30,527 How great is this guy, Giancarlo? And for people who don't know, he had a... 316 00:18:32,154 --> 00:18:37,993 he had a skiing accident during our season and I won't go into detail, but he... 317 00:18:39,787 --> 00:18:41,330 He really shattered his foot, 318 00:18:41,872 --> 00:18:46,293 and made it hard to finish the season and made it very hard for him. 319 00:18:46,376 --> 00:18:49,922 His life got really hard. But he did it. 320 00:18:50,380 --> 00:18:52,341 This was, I think, among the last scenes 321 00:18:52,424 --> 00:18:54,593 - that he shot before the accident. - Before the accident. 322 00:18:54,676 --> 00:18:57,054 Okay, and it laid him up for a couple of weeks. 323 00:18:57,137 --> 00:18:59,848 - For eight, nine and ten. - But as you'll see, he got back 324 00:19:00,349 --> 00:19:04,937 and finished with some assistance, various kinds of assistance. 325 00:19:05,020 --> 00:19:07,147 There's a lot of creativity. 326 00:19:07,231 --> 00:19:09,066 A lot of creativity went into finishing... 327 00:19:09,149 --> 00:19:11,485 - That's true. - the character of Gus in this season, 328 00:19:11,568 --> 00:19:15,906 because Giancarlo was dealing with a lot of pain. 329 00:19:17,032 --> 00:19:18,408 So, we talked a lot here about 330 00:19:18,492 --> 00:19:22,788 what needed to be seen on the screen that they're watching 331 00:19:22,871 --> 00:19:26,458 in order to convey enough information that Gus, who's brilliant, 332 00:19:27,125 --> 00:19:29,419 would be able to perceive what was going on. 333 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,800 A simple little thing... 334 00:19:36,218 --> 00:19:38,720 - but he knows this guy pretty well. - Yep. Exactly. 335 00:19:38,804 --> 00:19:41,056 And I agree with Gus on this, by the way. 336 00:19:41,139 --> 00:19:44,560 I feel like the intention is clear. I mean... 337 00:19:46,812 --> 00:19:49,606 It's so twisted, though, that... 338 00:19:49,690 --> 00:19:50,566 Well, it's... 339 00:19:50,649 --> 00:19:56,113 that Gus is... He can see that he's just aware enough 340 00:19:56,196 --> 00:20:01,451 that he's going to bring paralysis to his forward momentum 341 00:20:01,869 --> 00:20:05,414 and his healing, and keep him in this prison. 342 00:20:05,497 --> 00:20:08,250 - Yeah. - I mean, it's horrible. 343 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:09,668 Horrifying. 344 00:20:10,127 --> 00:20:11,712 Gus is the worst guy ever. 345 00:20:12,671 --> 00:20:14,590 - So really... Yeah. - He wants to torture this old man. 346 00:20:14,673 --> 00:20:15,591 This is evil. 347 00:20:15,674 --> 00:20:18,093 On the other hand, the old man is the worst guy ever. 348 00:20:18,176 --> 00:20:20,137 - Yeah, there you go. - So, two worst... 349 00:20:20,971 --> 00:20:21,930 They're in competition. 350 00:20:22,014 --> 00:20:24,224 Jack Handey wrote a funny sketch at SNL. 351 00:20:24,308 --> 00:20:26,977 I think it was called "Zombies Versus the Bees." 352 00:20:28,270 --> 00:20:33,191 And it was like killer bees and zombies in a small town 353 00:20:33,275 --> 00:20:34,568 and the police are like, 354 00:20:34,651 --> 00:20:37,487 "Let them fight each other. Just leave them alone." 355 00:20:37,571 --> 00:20:39,656 I think that's the next AMC show. 356 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:41,783 And that's what we got here. These two guys are like, 357 00:20:41,867 --> 00:20:44,494 "All right, I don't know. I'm not on either side. 358 00:20:44,953 --> 00:20:46,997 Let them tear each other apart." 359 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:52,502 Although I guess... I guess Salamanca's not coming after Gus, 360 00:20:53,170 --> 00:20:54,254 not yet. 361 00:20:56,632 --> 00:20:58,884 - But he'll get him in the end. - He'll get him in the end. 362 00:20:59,843 --> 00:21:02,304 - Giancarlo just holds the screen. - He does. 363 00:21:04,222 --> 00:21:06,350 Everything he does is so precise. 364 00:21:06,808 --> 00:21:09,353 It's really... it's just beautiful to watch. 365 00:21:10,312 --> 00:21:13,482 Ah! That's great. He's so good. 366 00:21:14,274 --> 00:21:16,652 Giancarlo Esposito is so good. 367 00:21:16,735 --> 00:21:20,322 This was the last scene that we shot in this episode. 368 00:21:20,405 --> 00:21:21,490 It was late at night. 369 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,952 Building this set was astounding. 370 00:21:25,535 --> 00:21:28,205 This is a set. It's not a hole in the ground. 371 00:21:28,705 --> 00:21:33,710 This is a fake hole in the ground with super high walls that look like dirt 372 00:21:34,169 --> 00:21:38,298 and a fake ceiling that looks like poured concrete from underneath. 373 00:21:38,882 --> 00:21:41,969 I mean, it's insane, the amount of effort 374 00:21:42,052 --> 00:21:44,596 and how well done it is and how long it took. 375 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,056 It took a long time. 376 00:21:46,473 --> 00:21:50,811 But, um, I love... I've got to say, I love that... 377 00:21:52,604 --> 00:21:54,815 the show, you know, a show like Breaking Bad, 378 00:21:54,898 --> 00:21:58,568 which has the... has the superlab in it and you go like, 379 00:21:58,652 --> 00:22:02,864 "Wait a second, wait a second. How did you fucking build that? Come on." 380 00:22:02,948 --> 00:22:04,574 - It's kind of cool. - And you're saying, 381 00:22:04,658 --> 00:22:09,329 "It was really hard. It was really hard. It cost a lot of money. 382 00:22:09,746 --> 00:22:11,248 And then shit went wrong." 383 00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:14,668 Yeah, and with Gus, 384 00:22:14,751 --> 00:22:17,421 you don't know how many bodies are buried in the cement. 385 00:22:17,504 --> 00:22:19,423 It's... laid in there. 386 00:22:19,506 --> 00:22:22,384 And these guys have had enough of even doing this job. 387 00:22:23,385 --> 00:22:25,554 It occurs to me watching this now that in this episode, 388 00:22:25,637 --> 00:22:28,557 we have these two parallel male friendships, like, 389 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,018 unlikely male friendships that have evolved. 390 00:22:31,101 --> 00:22:35,439 We have Jimmy and Huell and then we also have Mike and Werner. 391 00:22:37,899 --> 00:22:39,401 The sort of camaraderie. 392 00:22:39,818 --> 00:22:42,779 I'm so glad Jimmy and Huell turn out better than Mike and Werner. 393 00:22:43,864 --> 00:22:45,699 So, Alison, did you have to write this in German? 394 00:22:46,199 --> 00:22:47,868 I did. Well, I wrote it in English 395 00:22:47,951 --> 00:22:50,746 and luckily, for me, someone translated it in German. 396 00:22:50,829 --> 00:22:54,082 But yes, we wrote all of the additional dialog 397 00:22:54,833 --> 00:22:57,252 and then it was translated 398 00:22:57,335 --> 00:23:00,505 and then some of our guys were more fluent in German 399 00:23:00,589 --> 00:23:01,715 than others of our guys, 400 00:23:01,798 --> 00:23:05,343 so there was some on-set coaching and everybody did a great job. 401 00:23:05,427 --> 00:23:08,263 I wrote a comedy sketch in fake German... 402 00:23:08,346 --> 00:23:10,098 - Nice. - on SNL. 403 00:23:10,182 --> 00:23:12,392 It's called Die Squaren Öst Berliner. 404 00:23:12,476 --> 00:23:13,852 We should watch that in the room. 405 00:23:13,935 --> 00:23:18,023 Billy Joel is the musical guest or the host on SNL. 406 00:23:18,106 --> 00:23:19,566 And it really played great. 407 00:23:19,649 --> 00:23:23,111 It was the East Berlin Hollywood Squares... 408 00:23:23,612 --> 00:23:26,364 - That's... - and we were vacating... 409 00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:28,784 People are running across the... 410 00:23:28,867 --> 00:23:33,538 You know, like the Wall had just come down that week or two weeks before. 411 00:23:33,622 --> 00:23:35,582 - That's awesome. - Anyway, go look it up on YouTube. 412 00:23:35,665 --> 00:23:36,583 - It's funny. - We will. 413 00:23:36,666 --> 00:23:40,712 And it's all pidgin German that we wrote 414 00:23:40,796 --> 00:23:43,840 without anyone helping us or making it okay. 415 00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:46,760 And we just see Jimmy pulling a few hairs from his head. 416 00:23:46,843 --> 00:23:49,179 - Yeah. - I think you did a good job here 417 00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:54,601 with this little mistake that happens... 418 00:23:55,727 --> 00:23:57,479 with this cop, you know. 419 00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:02,901 - In what... In what sense? - Well, just everything about it. 420 00:24:02,984 --> 00:24:07,030 Like, look, you hit a guy with sandwiches, just, like, the fact that... 421 00:24:10,158 --> 00:24:15,163 Just the way in which Huell comes on him and it does look like they're arguing 422 00:24:15,247 --> 00:24:18,542 and hitting a guy with sandwiches isn't the worst thing in the world, 423 00:24:18,625 --> 00:24:20,836 but it'll get his attention, you know what I mean? 424 00:24:20,919 --> 00:24:23,880 Which is kind of a good thing to do if people are just tussling 425 00:24:23,964 --> 00:24:26,550 and, like, going, "Wake up, stop. What are you doing?" 426 00:24:26,633 --> 00:24:29,386 And then this cop is really vindictive, right? I mean... 427 00:24:30,262 --> 00:24:32,472 I got to say, Jimmy's got a point. 428 00:24:32,556 --> 00:24:34,808 I... I wish I could go back 429 00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:38,395 and make a longer argument to Kim later in this thing. 430 00:24:39,521 --> 00:24:42,107 'Cause she's like, "You're going to ruin this policeman's life." 431 00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:44,609 He's ruining Huell's life. 432 00:24:44,693 --> 00:24:46,820 - That's true. - This guy's a fucking asshole. 433 00:24:47,404 --> 00:24:49,656 He's not a cop who's doing a decent job. 434 00:24:49,739 --> 00:24:52,117 He's a dick, and he's a cop, 435 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,330 and he's causing more trouble than is remotely necessary. 436 00:24:57,414 --> 00:24:59,624 And you don't think Jimmy's kind of amping things up 437 00:24:59,708 --> 00:25:01,543 on his own a little bit here? 438 00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:06,214 Oh... He's hot. The heat's getting to him. 439 00:25:06,631 --> 00:25:08,133 And it was literally so hot this day. 440 00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:09,509 You sit in a van all day. 441 00:25:09,593 --> 00:25:10,677 - Yeah. - Oh, by the way, 442 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,388 this is the day where people crawled out of the sewer behind us. 443 00:25:13,471 --> 00:25:14,639 - Yes. - That is correct. 444 00:25:15,265 --> 00:25:17,309 - Wait, what? - Yes. Behind... 445 00:25:18,602 --> 00:25:20,937 - People were... - This is really well-played, you guys. 446 00:25:21,021 --> 00:25:24,399 So, all he sees is an argument and he sees some physicalisation, 447 00:25:24,482 --> 00:25:26,693 and he whacks him with sandwiches, which isn't going to get you... 448 00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:28,570 "Uh-oh, he's a cop." 449 00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:30,113 And then this. 450 00:25:30,197 --> 00:25:31,615 Colby French was so good. 451 00:25:33,825 --> 00:25:34,701 I like that you... 452 00:25:35,493 --> 00:25:39,164 In this, you offer this moment up right here, which is... 453 00:25:39,956 --> 00:25:41,833 So, he's in the car. He probably should... 454 00:25:41,917 --> 00:25:44,044 He thinks he's going to be arrested now. 455 00:25:44,127 --> 00:25:46,338 And then these two guys finish their argument. 456 00:25:48,882 --> 00:25:52,552 Jimmy makes some good arguments. He's not in pain. He's fine. 457 00:25:53,386 --> 00:25:54,888 Look, Colby looks a little sunburned. 458 00:25:56,181 --> 00:25:57,390 It was so hot. 459 00:25:58,308 --> 00:25:59,809 It's an unfortunate turn of events 460 00:25:59,893 --> 00:26:02,979 that he had picked him up for the pickpocketing before. 461 00:26:03,063 --> 00:26:04,356 - Yeah. - Yeah. 462 00:26:04,439 --> 00:26:05,440 Priors. 463 00:26:06,191 --> 00:26:07,150 - It's... - It is a prior. 464 00:26:07,817 --> 00:26:10,153 It's an interesting thing about the way we shot this season 465 00:26:10,237 --> 00:26:11,404 was we started... 466 00:26:11,488 --> 00:26:14,532 It was, like, in January and it was freezing cold. 467 00:26:14,616 --> 00:26:17,786 And by the time we got to this episode, it was pretty damn hot. 468 00:26:17,869 --> 00:26:19,454 It was like a desert sandstorm for me. 469 00:26:19,537 --> 00:26:20,455 Yeah. Yeah. 470 00:26:20,538 --> 00:26:22,165 I'd never been to Albuquerque before. 471 00:26:22,249 --> 00:26:25,377 I was like, "Is this what a desert sandstorm is like?" 472 00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:27,796 And wasn't Peter Diseth in that building back there? 473 00:26:27,879 --> 00:26:32,008 Yes, that's what we've heard, that Peter Diseth, who plays ADA Oakley, 474 00:26:32,092 --> 00:26:34,719 was helping a friend move from that building 475 00:26:34,803 --> 00:26:36,304 while you were shooting this scene. 476 00:26:36,388 --> 00:26:37,430 - Yeah. - So, there you go. 477 00:26:37,514 --> 00:26:38,473 - Really? - Yeah. 478 00:26:41,434 --> 00:26:43,979 Yeah, more Peter Diseth too. 479 00:26:44,062 --> 00:26:46,648 Yeah, that guy is great. Really great. 480 00:26:46,731 --> 00:26:47,774 - Aww. - Mmm. 481 00:26:47,857 --> 00:26:50,485 He's in a lot of trouble. He knows he's in a lot of trouble. 482 00:26:50,568 --> 00:26:51,444 He is. 483 00:26:52,112 --> 00:26:53,488 And this would just be hell. 484 00:26:53,571 --> 00:26:55,740 Can you imagine all these guys in one place like that 485 00:26:55,824 --> 00:26:56,950 with the fucking lights, 486 00:26:57,033 --> 00:26:59,494 - those bright white lights? - Yeah. No sunlight. 487 00:26:59,577 --> 00:27:00,537 Oh, you just... 488 00:27:01,162 --> 00:27:03,373 You... It would be horrible. 489 00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:05,458 It would be fine for a few months. 490 00:27:05,542 --> 00:27:07,127 - But this went way over. - Oh, Peter, months? 491 00:27:07,210 --> 00:27:08,336 Peter, no window. 492 00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:09,587 I think seven days... 493 00:27:09,671 --> 00:27:11,548 - Think of us in the writers' room. - Seven days. 494 00:27:11,631 --> 00:27:12,882 No windows. 495 00:27:14,551 --> 00:27:15,927 We can only go out at night. 496 00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:18,513 It's like we're being in a... 497 00:27:18,596 --> 00:27:20,015 It was like Vince in Breaking Bad. 498 00:27:20,098 --> 00:27:21,683 Remember, his office had no windows? 499 00:27:21,766 --> 00:27:23,268 - That's right. - See, here's what I would've done 500 00:27:23,351 --> 00:27:24,561 if I was designing it. 501 00:27:24,644 --> 00:27:27,564 I would've made different kinds of lighting... 502 00:27:27,647 --> 00:27:29,024 - Mm-hmm. - in different parts of the room. 503 00:27:29,107 --> 00:27:30,859 - Smart. - So, that you can walk into a... 504 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:33,611 You know, because that really would... 505 00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:35,530 That's really what gets on your nerves, is that. 506 00:27:35,613 --> 00:27:37,282 - That fluorescent kind of... - Yeah. Yeah. 507 00:27:37,365 --> 00:27:39,117 - unrelenting light? - Yeah. Yeah. 508 00:27:39,534 --> 00:27:41,494 It was expensive too. 509 00:27:41,953 --> 00:27:46,249 You know, I'll tell you, if I ever end up working and sleeping in a warehouse 510 00:27:46,333 --> 00:27:47,751 - for six or eight months... - Yeah. 511 00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:49,419 I hope, Bob, I hope you design it. 512 00:27:49,502 --> 00:27:52,714 Yeah. I would actually do everything that you did here, 513 00:27:53,465 --> 00:27:55,133 but, for instance, around the TV, 514 00:27:55,216 --> 00:27:58,678 there would be better, quieter, darker lighting 515 00:27:58,762 --> 00:28:00,597 and it would be sequestered a bit 516 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,725 so that you really have some privacy in these different areas. 517 00:28:03,808 --> 00:28:06,686 And maybe those special lights that when you have seasonal disorder 518 00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:08,897 - that give you a feeling of sunlight. - Oh, yeah. 519 00:28:08,980 --> 00:28:11,441 - Vitamin D lights. Yeah. For sure. - That's what these guys needed. 520 00:28:11,983 --> 00:28:12,901 Oh, for sure. 521 00:28:14,694 --> 00:28:18,365 And also, I would not build a meth lab under... 522 00:28:18,448 --> 00:28:19,824 I wouldn't just build one at all. 523 00:28:19,908 --> 00:28:21,368 You're so conservative. 524 00:28:21,451 --> 00:28:23,286 Yeah, I know. I'm not a risk-taker. 525 00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:24,788 - Yeah. - Go big or go home. 526 00:28:24,871 --> 00:28:25,705 Yeah. 527 00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:27,916 So, Werner Ziegler, we love this actor. 528 00:28:27,999 --> 00:28:29,918 - Oh, God. - Oh, this guy's great. 529 00:28:30,001 --> 00:28:33,046 Rainer is... he's wonderful. Rainer is just... 530 00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:34,422 - Rainer Bock. - Yes. 531 00:28:34,506 --> 00:28:36,674 And such a great connection between these two guys, 532 00:28:36,758 --> 00:28:38,009 which I'm sure you've talked about already. 533 00:28:38,093 --> 00:28:42,222 Yeah, Rainer Bock is a great, great German actor. 534 00:28:42,305 --> 00:28:45,225 He does a lot of stuff in Germany, works a lot, all the time. 535 00:28:46,351 --> 00:28:48,019 He's in a movie called White Ribbon, 536 00:28:48,103 --> 00:28:49,354 which is really worth your time. 537 00:28:49,437 --> 00:28:51,481 - Oh, yeah. - Nominated for an Oscar. 538 00:28:51,564 --> 00:28:52,440 That's right. 539 00:28:52,524 --> 00:28:53,483 We were pretty excited, 540 00:28:53,566 --> 00:28:56,152 you guys talk about this in the previous episode, 541 00:28:56,236 --> 00:28:59,239 that when we realised we could have houses within the warehouse. 542 00:28:59,322 --> 00:29:00,323 That's true. That's true. 543 00:29:00,407 --> 00:29:03,451 That was a big moment, Peter. I have to say you were on your feet. 544 00:29:03,535 --> 00:29:05,078 Because we were so excited. 545 00:29:06,371 --> 00:29:08,706 Yeah, I get all... I get all amped up about this stuff. 546 00:29:08,790 --> 00:29:09,707 I get it. 547 00:29:11,042 --> 00:29:12,877 It's a great thing, great idea. 548 00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:18,633 Yeah, I mean, it's one of the things that's... that's... 549 00:29:19,592 --> 00:29:23,096 It's sometimes inevitable with the show, but also frustrating is 550 00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:26,474 that you want all these characters to interact, 551 00:29:26,558 --> 00:29:28,059 but there's no way to get... 552 00:29:28,143 --> 00:29:30,770 no way to get Werner interacting with Jimmy... 553 00:29:30,854 --> 00:29:31,688 - Right. - you know? 554 00:29:31,771 --> 00:29:33,648 But you'd love to have a scene between the two of them. 555 00:29:33,731 --> 00:29:36,067 - Yeah. - So, you know, it's just... 556 00:29:36,693 --> 00:29:39,863 Sometimes... Sometimes you have to just let the story be the boss. 557 00:29:40,405 --> 00:29:42,365 Maybe we'll just have a big party... 558 00:29:42,449 --> 00:29:44,033 - That's it. - and everybody can come together. 559 00:29:44,117 --> 00:29:45,326 - That's it. - Have a drink. 560 00:29:45,410 --> 00:29:46,619 - A karaoke party. - Yeah. 561 00:29:46,703 --> 00:29:48,246 - That sounds like a good idea. - Okay, good. 562 00:29:48,329 --> 00:29:49,789 You have done a wonderful job, Michael. 563 00:29:49,873 --> 00:29:52,083 You brought everything we could ask for. 564 00:29:53,877 --> 00:29:55,170 Are they drinking real beer? 565 00:29:55,670 --> 00:29:56,754 - I hope so. - Definitely. 566 00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:58,590 - You got to go method with the drinking. - Yeah. 567 00:29:58,673 --> 00:29:59,924 Wait, really? No. 568 00:30:00,008 --> 00:30:01,509 - Isn't that what you do? - No. 569 00:30:01,593 --> 00:30:02,552 Can't do that. 570 00:30:02,635 --> 00:30:04,387 - No, what are they drinking? - You can't do it. 571 00:30:04,471 --> 00:30:05,346 Actually, we had to work on that. 572 00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:06,347 Apple cider. Martinelli's? 573 00:30:06,431 --> 00:30:07,390 Yeah, we... 574 00:30:07,807 --> 00:30:11,728 Special effects was helping at one point, and props, like, 575 00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:16,191 because there were taps involved. But I think it's apple juice. 576 00:30:17,817 --> 00:30:18,818 Apple juice? 577 00:30:19,694 --> 00:30:20,778 There you go. 578 00:30:20,862 --> 00:30:23,406 We had a little bit of carbonation in there at one point. 579 00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:26,826 So, there was some non-alcoholic beer in one iteration. 580 00:30:27,243 --> 00:30:28,328 That might be this too. 581 00:30:28,411 --> 00:30:32,332 Rainer said that, in Germany, "R & R" would be considered rock and roll. 582 00:30:32,415 --> 00:30:38,671 This is a really interesting scene that he's great in, great. 583 00:30:40,173 --> 00:30:43,176 And the thing is, you guys, we were going to try to shoot... 584 00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:44,719 We were trying to shoot this outside, 585 00:30:44,802 --> 00:30:46,179 - you know about that, right? - That's right. 586 00:30:46,262 --> 00:30:49,724 And then there was lightning. We got the first take done outside, 587 00:30:50,141 --> 00:30:52,685 but you know what, it didn't work outside at all. 588 00:30:53,102 --> 00:30:55,021 It had no energy in it. 589 00:30:55,813 --> 00:30:57,565 And you stick them in this hallway... 590 00:31:01,653 --> 00:31:03,947 Really a fun thing to do, that kind of take. 591 00:31:05,907 --> 00:31:08,493 But you stick them in this hallway where they're really kind of... 592 00:31:10,078 --> 00:31:13,122 just in a corner, you know, and it gets intimate. 593 00:31:13,706 --> 00:31:16,000 And they can really hear each other... 594 00:31:16,918 --> 00:31:20,129 You know, when you're outside, you just have a different voice 595 00:31:21,172 --> 00:31:22,549 and this is really, like, close. 596 00:31:22,632 --> 00:31:25,009 - Yeah, the confinement helped. - Yeah, yeah, it really helped. 597 00:31:25,093 --> 00:31:27,011 It's something to think about when you think about... 598 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,848 It was interesting. Thank God there was lightning, right? 599 00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:32,767 I know, it's funny. We were so disappointed. 600 00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:34,644 I promise you, it wouldn't have been half the scene. 601 00:31:34,727 --> 00:31:39,941 I agree. This episode's pretty, you know, interiors. 602 00:31:40,024 --> 00:31:42,986 So, we were excited to have a scene outside 603 00:31:43,069 --> 00:31:44,654 and disappointed to have to move it in. 604 00:31:44,737 --> 00:31:47,407 But for performance and for the emotion of it, 605 00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:49,284 it was beneficial, for sure. 606 00:31:49,367 --> 00:31:51,744 It just, it worked great. I have no... 607 00:31:52,245 --> 00:31:56,082 You know, sometimes... sometimes the rain gods are working for you 608 00:31:56,165 --> 00:31:57,417 instead of against you. 609 00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:00,962 But it's an interesting thing you say, Bob, is that they're, you know... 610 00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:04,090 - About the interior versus exterior. - Yeah. 611 00:32:04,173 --> 00:32:05,425 We love this framing. 612 00:32:05,508 --> 00:32:06,426 - Well, yeah. - Right? 613 00:32:06,509 --> 00:32:09,512 - Yeah. - Beautiful framing. And... 614 00:32:09,596 --> 00:32:11,306 - And then the cut. - Yeah. 615 00:32:12,181 --> 00:32:13,224 Magic man. 616 00:32:15,602 --> 00:32:17,145 Great unscripted match cut. 617 00:32:17,228 --> 00:32:19,897 Bob and Deborah I give credit for this, that match. 618 00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:20,857 It was so great. 619 00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:23,026 And he has no idea what he's going to do. 620 00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:24,402 No, I don't think so. 621 00:32:24,485 --> 00:32:26,446 - "I'm a magic man." - He talks big. 622 00:32:27,655 --> 00:32:29,198 I just love him for it, though. 623 00:32:29,824 --> 00:32:31,492 Oh, yeah, you got to be on his side. 624 00:32:33,453 --> 00:32:35,580 So, here he is, making his plea. Come on. 625 00:32:36,748 --> 00:32:40,335 There's so much that Kim has to catch up on in this scene, 626 00:32:40,418 --> 00:32:43,671 like, that's been going on with Jimmy that she isn't aware of. 627 00:32:44,631 --> 00:32:45,465 Yeah. 628 00:32:45,923 --> 00:32:48,009 They haven't been communicating, so... 629 00:32:49,302 --> 00:32:52,889 I did a little recon and the arresting officer, he has a DUI, 630 00:32:52,972 --> 00:32:55,683 you know, eight years ago, and he's been put on desk duty twice. 631 00:32:55,767 --> 00:32:56,934 I know he has anger issues... 632 00:32:57,018 --> 00:33:00,229 Just, he's got such a wall of words 633 00:33:01,522 --> 00:33:03,191 and she's following him. 634 00:33:03,650 --> 00:33:05,526 Now, what's wrong with this plan? 635 00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:08,863 Easy to make him smell, like, you just spill some booze on him 636 00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:11,157 - right before he goes out. - Right. Right. Right. 637 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,076 The plan itself is pretty good. 638 00:33:13,534 --> 00:33:15,453 Then you piss him off, which is easy to do. 639 00:33:15,536 --> 00:33:17,580 This guy's got a short fuse, right? 640 00:33:17,664 --> 00:33:19,374 - Yeah, you're liking that plan. - Mm-hmm. 641 00:33:20,333 --> 00:33:22,460 - Her reaction here is amazing. - I think it's an all-right plan. 642 00:33:23,127 --> 00:33:25,088 She doesn't seem to like it. I don't know. 643 00:33:25,171 --> 00:33:26,756 - I don't know why. - Why doesn't she like this plan? 644 00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:28,257 I don't know why. Look at her. 645 00:33:28,341 --> 00:33:30,843 - She really takes her time. - It's not challenging enough. 646 00:33:30,927 --> 00:33:32,095 - Too easy. - That's it. 647 00:33:32,178 --> 00:33:34,847 - Yeah, too easy. - Not enough bus rides involved. 648 00:33:34,931 --> 00:33:36,265 Well, she's thinking about it. 649 00:33:36,891 --> 00:33:41,688 This I love. I love how you guys take your time, 650 00:33:42,188 --> 00:33:43,564 just take that little moment... 651 00:33:44,565 --> 00:33:46,734 and it's... it's wonderful. 652 00:33:48,152 --> 00:33:50,071 This penal code thing I was worried about 653 00:33:50,154 --> 00:33:53,032 and I actually called a lawyer friend of mine from the hotel 654 00:33:53,116 --> 00:33:55,576 to make sure that the language was correct. 655 00:33:56,828 --> 00:33:58,246 Great. 656 00:33:58,329 --> 00:33:59,997 - Seems like you nailed it. - I think so. 657 00:34:00,081 --> 00:34:01,457 I'm not tearing down a cop. 658 00:34:02,667 --> 00:34:05,002 That's okay. You tell me. 659 00:34:05,628 --> 00:34:07,088 I will look into this. 660 00:34:07,755 --> 00:34:10,425 Not making any promises, but if it is as bad as you say... 661 00:34:10,508 --> 00:34:12,927 Boy, look at all the bank branches she's opened. 662 00:34:14,262 --> 00:34:15,179 Maybe. 663 00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,394 And Jimmy's successfully delegated. 664 00:34:21,978 --> 00:34:23,479 You know, it... 665 00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:28,484 This is the stuff that I just, I really... 666 00:34:30,987 --> 00:34:35,908 I really feel when there's a gap between these two 667 00:34:35,992 --> 00:34:37,785 and when they're not connecting. 668 00:34:37,869 --> 00:34:41,247 Yeah, it's pretty great because he is happy. 669 00:34:41,330 --> 00:34:43,666 She is agreeing to help, and yet... 670 00:34:45,585 --> 00:34:47,837 there's this, like, pause... 671 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,005 You know, this... 672 00:34:49,088 --> 00:34:52,049 Yeah, there's still tension there and a distance. 673 00:34:52,133 --> 00:34:53,217 They're on the outs. 674 00:34:54,093 --> 00:34:55,344 Is that what it is? 675 00:34:55,428 --> 00:34:59,265 I mean, every relationship has good and bad times, you know. 676 00:34:59,348 --> 00:35:00,516 That is so true. 677 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,642 She's back. 678 00:35:01,726 --> 00:35:03,811 It doesn't mean it's got to be over. 679 00:35:04,353 --> 00:35:06,814 - And here's... - Here's Julie Pearl, who we love. 680 00:35:07,523 --> 00:35:12,945 Julie Pearl who was last seen... last seen season two, I believe. 681 00:35:14,322 --> 00:35:15,198 And... 682 00:35:15,281 --> 00:35:16,491 - Yes. - ADA Ericsen. 683 00:35:16,574 --> 00:35:18,159 We went back and watched that great scene. 684 00:35:18,242 --> 00:35:21,454 - That's right. - And felt excited about her as an actor. 685 00:35:21,537 --> 00:35:24,707 And this is a oner, which is really nice. It's a nice... 686 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,169 The whole... That whole little scene all in one shot, 687 00:35:28,252 --> 00:35:31,506 which really is clever and feels really good. 688 00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:34,759 Pickpocket with a rap sheet attacks a cop in broad daylight? 689 00:35:34,842 --> 00:35:39,514 What I love about this scene is that Julie is a worthy opponent to Kim. 690 00:35:39,597 --> 00:35:41,140 - Mm-hmm. - We've seen Kim... 691 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,187 and Rhea roll over all these other characters. 692 00:35:46,270 --> 00:35:49,148 And this is... this is not going to be so easy. 693 00:35:49,232 --> 00:35:52,109 And also, I think Jimmy said in the last scene, 694 00:35:52,193 --> 00:35:54,445 it's not fair what they're doing to Huell. 695 00:35:54,529 --> 00:35:57,532 And I buy Kim's argument. I buy Jimmy's argument too. 696 00:35:57,615 --> 00:35:59,158 - Yeah. - This is not fair. 697 00:35:59,242 --> 00:36:01,994 - Yeah. - But, you know, he's in the system, 698 00:36:02,078 --> 00:36:04,580 and they're going to have to do something big to change things. 699 00:36:04,664 --> 00:36:05,873 I'm sorry. I don't buy it. 700 00:36:05,957 --> 00:36:11,462 And here she gets this cut on her... 701 00:36:13,089 --> 00:36:13,965 - on Jimmy... - Yeah. 702 00:36:14,048 --> 00:36:17,468 and, like, seeing him through her eyes. 703 00:36:17,552 --> 00:36:18,386 Mm-hmm. 704 00:36:18,469 --> 00:36:21,556 Like, that's... And to not react in the moment, 705 00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:24,642 like, that's such an interesting moment in the scene. 706 00:36:24,725 --> 00:36:29,105 And because Ericsen is formidable and she is somebody that Kim respects, 707 00:36:29,730 --> 00:36:31,148 it hurts to hear that. 708 00:36:33,484 --> 00:36:34,819 She's got all her research. 709 00:36:34,902 --> 00:36:36,362 - Yeah, she's ready. - Yeah. 710 00:36:36,445 --> 00:36:39,282 This is so well-written, by the way, Alison. 711 00:36:39,365 --> 00:36:43,703 I haven't said enough on this. Alison just... 712 00:36:43,786 --> 00:36:47,582 This was Alison's first script for the show. 713 00:36:47,665 --> 00:36:49,709 - It's scary. - Far from her first script, 714 00:36:49,792 --> 00:36:52,879 'cause she is... she is an excellent writer 715 00:36:52,962 --> 00:36:56,966 who we were very lucky to get to work with us. 716 00:36:57,049 --> 00:37:00,511 And, um, this is also Deborah Chow's first episode. 717 00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:04,640 And the two of them really knocked it out of the park. 718 00:37:05,224 --> 00:37:06,225 Excellent team. 719 00:37:06,309 --> 00:37:08,728 I was lucky to work with Deborah. It was really cool. 720 00:37:11,564 --> 00:37:14,150 We looked at each other on day one and said, "Okay." 721 00:37:14,233 --> 00:37:16,235 who peddles drop phones to criminals. 722 00:37:17,945 --> 00:37:19,405 - Yeah. Uh-oh. - Uh-oh. 723 00:37:20,197 --> 00:37:22,909 - You called Jimmy a scumbag. - Yeah. 724 00:37:23,534 --> 00:37:25,453 - You're fucked. - Yeah, I think... 725 00:37:25,536 --> 00:37:26,996 - Yeah, exactly. - I think you're right. 726 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:28,205 Yeah, don't say that. You're right. 727 00:37:28,289 --> 00:37:29,123 Yeah. 728 00:37:29,624 --> 00:37:30,958 My man. 729 00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:32,209 She'll turn that around. 730 00:37:33,336 --> 00:37:35,129 - Now she's got a personal vendetta. - You said the wrong thing. 731 00:37:35,212 --> 00:37:36,631 - Personal vendetta. - Mm-hmm. 732 00:37:36,714 --> 00:37:37,632 Love that cut. 733 00:37:38,090 --> 00:37:39,759 We talked a lot about how it's like family. 734 00:37:39,842 --> 00:37:43,721 Like, you can feel those feelings, but someone else says it out loud, no way. 735 00:37:43,804 --> 00:37:47,683 It makes it worse if you suspect it might be true from some angle. 736 00:37:47,767 --> 00:37:48,935 Mm-hmm. 737 00:37:50,770 --> 00:37:52,188 But... 738 00:37:52,647 --> 00:37:53,898 The ponytail's mad. 739 00:37:53,981 --> 00:37:55,274 The ponytail... That's true. 740 00:37:55,733 --> 00:37:56,984 That's a weird jacket. 741 00:37:58,653 --> 00:38:00,488 Little more stylish than I... 742 00:38:01,572 --> 00:38:03,866 Isn't that a Bob jacket more than it is a... 743 00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:07,244 I think that this was... I believe this was an addition on the day. 744 00:38:07,328 --> 00:38:08,371 There was a... 745 00:38:08,454 --> 00:38:09,705 Sorry, it's not the worst thing ever. 746 00:38:09,789 --> 00:38:11,999 This was the very first scene that we shot of this episode. 747 00:38:12,083 --> 00:38:12,959 - It's all right. - Yeah. 748 00:38:13,042 --> 00:38:14,168 I think it works fine. 749 00:38:14,251 --> 00:38:15,086 All right. 750 00:38:15,169 --> 00:38:18,756 He's in a different frame of mind. That's what it kind of tells me. 751 00:38:19,465 --> 00:38:21,008 he's gonna have to do some time. 752 00:38:22,927 --> 00:38:24,387 Well, thanks for trying. 753 00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:27,139 I mean, he knows Huell's not going to do any time. 754 00:38:27,598 --> 00:38:29,892 - Yeah, yeah. - Huell just doesn't care about 755 00:38:30,726 --> 00:38:36,524 running away that much. It's just a... It's a totally legit choice. 756 00:38:36,607 --> 00:38:38,526 - Mm-hmm. - And he knows he'll just make it easily. 757 00:38:38,609 --> 00:38:41,487 He knows Huell will just go, "Forget it. Nope, I'm running." 758 00:38:42,029 --> 00:38:43,280 You're gonna tell him to stay put? 759 00:38:43,364 --> 00:38:44,615 Yeah, sure. 760 00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:47,868 - No. I'm not believing that. - Sure. 761 00:38:48,911 --> 00:38:50,329 Jimmy, come on, what does that mean? 762 00:38:51,414 --> 00:38:52,331 Don't worry. 763 00:38:53,165 --> 00:38:54,000 "Don't worry." 764 00:38:54,083 --> 00:38:55,209 And then I get to floor it. 765 00:38:55,292 --> 00:38:56,877 Yeah, baby! 766 00:38:57,712 --> 00:38:59,255 Always flooring it. 767 00:38:59,338 --> 00:39:02,216 You're good at that. Bob, you are an exceptional driver. 768 00:39:02,299 --> 00:39:03,592 - Yes. - And you know who else is? 769 00:39:03,676 --> 00:39:04,677 Rhea Seehorn. 770 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,304 - 'Cause she whipped this U-ey. - You guys. 771 00:39:08,889 --> 00:39:10,057 Made me a little nervous. 772 00:39:10,141 --> 00:39:12,268 A lot of precision driving on this show. Surprising. 773 00:39:12,351 --> 00:39:17,064 This is a hell of a plan she's concocting in her head. It's nuts! 774 00:39:18,607 --> 00:39:19,900 I don't know. It's... 775 00:39:20,985 --> 00:39:24,864 I think it's pretty good. It's a lot. It's a lot. 776 00:39:24,947 --> 00:39:30,161 So, let's see, the first thought is, "What if we conjured up people?" 777 00:39:31,746 --> 00:39:33,581 What if we drew attention to this case? 778 00:39:33,664 --> 00:39:38,377 Yeah, what if we build Huell up instead of cutting the cop down? 779 00:39:38,461 --> 00:39:40,463 Right. That's a... That's a good... 780 00:39:40,546 --> 00:39:43,132 Jimmy wants to go low, she decides to go high. 781 00:39:43,215 --> 00:39:44,341 - Right. - I thought it was... 782 00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:46,802 Oh, they have stationery there. Do I need stationery? 783 00:39:46,886 --> 00:39:48,596 - Just like, "I like stationery." - "Oh, craft." 784 00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:50,056 I love... This is, you know, 785 00:39:50,139 --> 00:39:52,850 every writer, you know, loves stationery, loves pens. 786 00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:55,227 This was an excuse for us to get a lot of pens and paper. 787 00:39:55,311 --> 00:39:57,480 It's like all the stuff we'd want to have in the writers' room. 788 00:39:57,563 --> 00:39:59,648 - Even crayons. - We love crayons. 789 00:40:01,442 --> 00:40:03,319 People express themselves in different ways. 790 00:40:03,402 --> 00:40:04,945 - So true. - Oh, yeah. 791 00:40:06,072 --> 00:40:08,407 And this is a cue from Dave. 792 00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:11,035 It's a tricky one. 793 00:40:12,828 --> 00:40:15,372 That's true, yeah. It's always these little... 794 00:40:16,248 --> 00:40:20,711 The cue, how much is it there to tell you and it's always his question, 795 00:40:20,795 --> 00:40:23,464 "What is she thinking. What are we supposed to get from this?" 796 00:40:23,881 --> 00:40:24,757 Listen... 797 00:40:25,341 --> 00:40:26,342 I have a better way. 798 00:40:27,009 --> 00:40:28,260 Awesome. 799 00:40:28,344 --> 00:40:29,428 That's a cliff-hanger. 800 00:40:29,512 --> 00:40:32,681 It's a... What do we call it? The "Office Supplies" cliff-hanger. 801 00:40:32,765 --> 00:40:35,184 - That's right. - The classic. 802 00:40:36,102 --> 00:40:37,520 Game of Thrones did that. 803 00:40:39,188 --> 00:40:41,023 I think Staples is trying to get in on it. 804 00:40:41,941 --> 00:40:42,817 If only. 805 00:40:43,275 --> 00:40:45,027 Well done, Alison. 806 00:40:45,111 --> 00:40:46,987 - And to you. - Really great. 807 00:40:48,614 --> 00:40:49,490 I like it. 808 00:40:49,573 --> 00:40:51,617 A lot of fun stuff happening in there. 809 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:54,995 Well, especially that teaser is one for the books, I think. 810 00:40:55,496 --> 00:40:56,872 - That's... - Yeah, the teaser got a lot of... 811 00:40:56,956 --> 00:40:58,582 - Oh, yeah. - Got a lot of love. 812 00:40:58,666 --> 00:40:59,500 Yeah. 813 00:40:59,583 --> 00:41:00,501 It's great. That's why. 814 00:41:00,918 --> 00:41:01,919 Thanks, everybody.