1 00:00:01,901 --> 00:00:02,936 - (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) - Are we on Overtime? 2 00:00:02,936 --> 00:00:03,970 Overtime, we're doing again. 3 00:00:04,170 --> 00:00:06,206 - First of all, thank you for coming back. - Thanks, Bill. 4 00:00:06,206 --> 00:00:08,441 I know we were... (CHUCKLES) ...kind of on the bubble there. 5 00:00:08,441 --> 00:00:10,377 You're like, let's see how it goes. 6 00:00:10,377 --> 00:00:11,945 (ALL LAUGH) 7 00:00:11,945 --> 00:00:13,713 But as a Republican, I gotta say, 8 00:00:13,713 --> 00:00:15,882 this is a rising star in your party. Am I right? 9 00:00:15,882 --> 00:00:17,917 - (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) - Thank you. 10 00:00:17,917 --> 00:00:19,085 I know it when I see it. 11 00:00:19,085 --> 00:00:20,587 I've been doing this a long time. 12 00:00:20,587 --> 00:00:22,088 - Thank you. That was very kind. - Yeah. Okay. 13 00:00:22,088 --> 00:00:23,990 - (CHUCKLES) - All right. So, first question is for you. 14 00:00:23,990 --> 00:00:27,127 What's the role of government in policing Big Tech? 15 00:00:27,127 --> 00:00:29,396 Oh. Well, that opens up a can of worms. 16 00:00:29,596 --> 00:00:31,030 But you write about that in your book a lot. 17 00:00:31,030 --> 00:00:32,432 - Yes. Buy my book. - You're all over that. 18 00:00:32,665 --> 00:00:33,933 Yeah, well, that's something 19 00:00:33,933 --> 00:00:35,969 what people on both sides can agree about, 20 00:00:35,969 --> 00:00:37,737 - I think, to a degree. - A hundred percent. 21 00:00:37,737 --> 00:00:40,240 - Big Tech is dan-- Power... - Too much power. 22 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,041 ...and too little privacy. 23 00:00:42,041 --> 00:00:44,310 So, what is the role of government to police them? 24 00:00:44,310 --> 00:00:45,412 - Where are we? - Well-- 25 00:00:45,412 --> 00:00:47,080 I mean, we often talk here about this thing. 26 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,649 Is it more like the post office? 27 00:00:49,649 --> 00:00:52,152 Or is it more like the... a utility company? 28 00:00:52,152 --> 00:00:53,787 - This is... It's much... - Or a newspaper? What is it? 29 00:00:53,787 --> 00:00:56,122 It's a little bit more like a utility and, you know, 30 00:00:56,122 --> 00:00:58,958 {\an8}this is not typical of a Republican approach to things. 31 00:00:58,958 --> 00:01:00,794 {\an8}But I don't think the antitrust laws 32 00:01:01,027 --> 00:01:03,196 {\an8}are sufficient to deal with this problem. 33 00:01:03,196 --> 00:01:05,498 {\an8}Because, as you say, it's not just market power, 34 00:01:05,498 --> 00:01:09,235 {\an8}it's privacy and the control of speech, censorship. 35 00:01:09,235 --> 00:01:11,704 {\an8}And I think Congress is gonna have to intervene 36 00:01:11,704 --> 00:01:13,706 and pass a statute that's targeted 37 00:01:13,706 --> 00:01:16,242 - at those problems. - And what do they-- 38 00:01:16,242 --> 00:01:18,144 And what's in the bill? I mean, what a... 39 00:01:18,144 --> 00:01:20,480 That's where, I mean, the problem comes in. 40 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,148 It's like everybody thinks there needs 41 00:01:22,148 --> 00:01:25,885 something to be done. But... how do you take-- 42 00:01:25,885 --> 00:01:28,388 - I think they have to scale-- - Republicans are usually for, 43 00:01:28,388 --> 00:01:31,391 you know, giving private companies free reign. 44 00:01:31,958 --> 00:01:33,359 Personally, I think they have to... 45 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:34,828 Except in certain areas say, 46 00:01:34,828 --> 00:01:37,263 we've regulated media, cable companies, 47 00:01:37,263 --> 00:01:39,699 - networks, telephones... - And you're all for that? 48 00:01:39,999 --> 00:01:41,701 There are certain times where it's required... 49 00:01:41,701 --> 00:01:43,269 - It's necessary, I think. - BILL MAHER: Yeah. 50 00:01:43,269 --> 00:01:46,039 And what I think we should do here is skinny down 51 00:01:46,039 --> 00:01:48,942 these companies by requiring them to divest 52 00:01:49,242 --> 00:01:51,311 some of the companies that they've acquired 53 00:01:51,311 --> 00:01:52,879 that could be competitors. 54 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:54,681 So, Facebook would have to give up Instagram? 55 00:01:54,681 --> 00:01:58,751 Instagram. Google would have to give up... YouTube. 56 00:01:58,751 --> 00:02:02,789 - (ALL LAUGH) - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 57 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:05,191 I like the little pat there. It's like, 58 00:02:05,191 --> 00:02:08,595 -"Here, just let me know. Here, it's coming." - (LAUGHS) 59 00:02:08,595 --> 00:02:11,698 Well, I saw in the news that Facebook and Instagram 60 00:02:11,698 --> 00:02:15,101 are now going to allow you to show a bare breast. 61 00:02:15,301 --> 00:02:17,270 But only if it's of a gender 62 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:18,705 or a... (CHUCKLES) ...non-binary person. 63 00:02:18,705 --> 00:02:21,007 - I can't make this shit up. - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 64 00:02:21,007 --> 00:02:22,742 I can't. I can't... 65 00:02:22,742 --> 00:02:24,711 - I can't even. Yeah. - BILL: Right. No, I'm not ki-- Right. Okay. 66 00:02:24,711 --> 00:02:27,146 And then my only thought is to ask Congress 67 00:02:27,146 --> 00:02:28,281 to be weighing in on this thing. 68 00:02:28,281 --> 00:02:29,916 {\an8}You've got members of Congress, some, not all. 69 00:02:29,916 --> 00:02:31,518 {\an8}I'm a not a c-- techie myself. 70 00:02:31,885 --> 00:02:33,786 {\an8}But that don't even know how to log into Zoom 71 00:02:33,786 --> 00:02:34,954 {\an8}or to log into Facebook, 72 00:02:34,954 --> 00:02:37,724 {\an8}that are gonna be making the rules for these things. 73 00:02:37,724 --> 00:02:38,791 And you know, they don't understand 74 00:02:39,292 --> 00:02:42,095 - the technology sometimes or what it means, so... - Okay. This is for you. 75 00:02:42,095 --> 00:02:45,164 Trump will make his first 2024 campaign appearance, 76 00:02:45,164 --> 00:02:47,467 oh, in your home state of South Carolina. 77 00:02:48,001 --> 00:02:49,702 - Did you know this? - I will not be there. 78 00:02:49,702 --> 00:02:50,870 - But... (LAUGHS) - BILL: Will you? 79 00:02:50,870 --> 00:02:52,171 - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING, APPLAUDING) - BILL: You will not be? 80 00:02:52,505 --> 00:02:53,673 NANCY MACE: I will not be there. 81 00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:59,279 I got something else going on that day. 82 00:02:59,279 --> 00:03:01,014 - (ALL LAUGH) - I don't know what it is. 83 00:03:01,014 --> 00:03:02,282 You don't even know what day it is 84 00:03:02,282 --> 00:03:04,183 - and you already have something else going on. - I'm not... 85 00:03:04,183 --> 00:03:07,387 You know, my thing is I hope there's a big, deep, 86 00:03:07,387 --> 00:03:09,389 wide bench in 2024. 87 00:03:09,389 --> 00:03:11,491 I want to see a vigorous primary. 88 00:03:11,491 --> 00:03:13,560 I plan on hosting a bunch of candidate forums. 89 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,829 We're going to call it "Cocktails with the Candidates" for 2024. 90 00:03:17,330 --> 00:03:18,498 I want to see a woman on the ticket. 91 00:03:18,498 --> 00:03:20,934 I want to see a little more diversity on our side. 92 00:03:21,134 --> 00:03:22,468 It's been a hundred years since women got 93 00:03:22,468 --> 00:03:24,904 the right to vote. Where are our Republican women? 94 00:03:24,904 --> 00:03:26,873 And they need to run for president. 95 00:03:26,873 --> 00:03:28,408 (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 96 00:03:28,408 --> 00:03:33,012 Well... (LAUGHS) ...I mean, I guess that's my cue to say... 97 00:03:33,012 --> 00:03:35,415 - No... No, it's not. - Is that a declaration? 98 00:03:35,415 --> 00:03:37,350 No. Absolutely. No. Yeah. 99 00:03:37,350 --> 00:03:39,819 You know, I've got-- I have two constituents actually. 100 00:03:39,819 --> 00:03:42,322 Tim Scott and Nikki Haley, who the media-- 101 00:03:42,322 --> 00:03:43,957 they both live in the first congressional district. 102 00:03:43,957 --> 00:03:45,458 - BILL: All right. - They may run for president. 103 00:03:45,458 --> 00:03:47,493 It's exciting to see that in South Carolina. 104 00:03:47,493 --> 00:03:49,862 But the last time anyone from the U.S. House 105 00:03:49,862 --> 00:03:51,497 ran for president, that was Abraham Lincoln. 106 00:03:51,497 --> 00:03:53,499 - And I am no Abe Lincoln. - (BOTH LAUGH) 107 00:03:53,499 --> 00:03:55,802 I won't be running for that anytime soon. 108 00:03:55,802 --> 00:03:57,770 But we have some exciting things happening 109 00:03:57,770 --> 00:03:59,038 in South Carolina. Great leaders come out of there. 110 00:03:59,038 --> 00:04:00,707 But you could definitely be on the ticket. 111 00:04:00,707 --> 00:04:03,876 I mean, like, if Ron DeSantis said, "Hey!" 112 00:04:03,876 --> 00:04:06,112 - (CHUCKLES) - I might spontaneously combust. 113 00:04:06,112 --> 00:04:08,247 - First person to... What? - But, you know, yeah. 114 00:04:08,247 --> 00:04:09,682 You know what I mean? (CHUCKLES) 115 00:04:09,682 --> 00:04:10,917 - That'd be a tough one. - ANDREW SULLIVAN: Really? 116 00:04:10,917 --> 00:04:12,285 Yeah, you should see me in church. 117 00:04:12,285 --> 00:04:14,020 - (LAUGHS) Yeah. - (BILL LAUGHS) 118 00:04:14,020 --> 00:04:16,522 Well, that's not gonna happen. Okay. 119 00:04:16,522 --> 00:04:17,924 - (LAUGHS) - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 120 00:04:17,924 --> 00:04:21,127 - BILL: But, the question... - (ALL LAUGH) 121 00:04:23,763 --> 00:04:25,365 The question on the card was, 122 00:04:25,365 --> 00:04:27,367 "Will you endorse Trump if he's the Republican?" 123 00:04:27,367 --> 00:04:29,435 That's always the question when you have Republicans 124 00:04:29,435 --> 00:04:30,503 on here, right? 125 00:04:30,503 --> 00:04:32,405 Well, I mean, this is just, somebody wrote this. 126 00:04:32,405 --> 00:04:34,273 - I didn't write this. - Every time. 127 00:04:34,273 --> 00:04:37,410 - I'm just the monkey. - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 128 00:04:37,410 --> 00:04:39,178 No. No, that's what Overtime is. 129 00:04:39,178 --> 00:04:42,548 These are the people. The people want to know this. 130 00:04:43,116 --> 00:04:45,985 - Yeah. I mean, here-- - See, it's so tough for you. 131 00:04:45,985 --> 00:04:48,488 - I get why this-- - It's not. Actually, it's not tough. 132 00:04:48,488 --> 00:04:52,392 I mean, I would love to see a big field. 133 00:04:52,392 --> 00:04:54,427 I want to see a diversity of opinions. 134 00:04:54,427 --> 00:04:56,462 {\an8}I have my own opinions on where the future 135 00:04:56,462 --> 00:04:58,064 {\an8}of the country is. We need a unifier. 136 00:04:58,064 --> 00:04:59,966 {\an8}We need someone who's going to bring in not just Republicans 137 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:01,668 {\an8}and Conservatives, independent voters. 138 00:05:01,668 --> 00:05:02,902 - BILL: But that's not the question. - I know. 139 00:05:02,902 --> 00:05:05,104 - BILL: Will you... (LAUGHS) - I know. I'm getting there. 140 00:05:05,104 --> 00:05:07,807 But independent voters want a home and, 141 00:05:07,807 --> 00:05:09,242 if it's between Biden and anybody else, 142 00:05:09,242 --> 00:05:11,144 I'm with anybody else, at the end of the day. 143 00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:13,646 - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING, APPLAUDING) - Including Trump. 144 00:05:14,814 --> 00:05:16,082 BILL: That's where he is. 145 00:05:16,382 --> 00:05:20,520 I mean, I never would've thought Joe Biden was that scary. 146 00:05:20,753 --> 00:05:22,889 I mean, we were just talking before the show ended 147 00:05:22,889 --> 00:05:25,191 about stuff that we're not crazy about with Joe Biden. 148 00:05:25,191 --> 00:05:28,361 And he certainly has not stuck the landing on all of it. 149 00:05:28,928 --> 00:05:32,865 But the fact that he, Joe Biden, who not that long ago 150 00:05:32,865 --> 00:05:35,735 was just seen as a kind of a clubby politician 151 00:05:35,735 --> 00:05:37,503 who everybody could get along with, 152 00:05:37,704 --> 00:05:40,306 he wasn't crazy out there in any way, 153 00:05:40,506 --> 00:05:43,409 that he is that much of a Dracula to you guys, 154 00:05:43,409 --> 00:05:47,280 that you would go for Donald Trump. For Donald Trump. 155 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:51,084 Who we already saw is not just stupid but crazy. 156 00:05:51,084 --> 00:05:53,086 - He's somehow both. - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING, APPLAUDING) 157 00:05:53,086 --> 00:05:54,787 And you're okay with that? 158 00:05:55,755 --> 00:05:59,292 Biden... Biden... You talked about the debt ceiling there. 159 00:05:59,292 --> 00:06:01,094 Biden won't even talk to Republicans 160 00:06:01,094 --> 00:06:02,228 about budget reform right now. 161 00:06:02,228 --> 00:06:03,429 And we're gonna have this debt ceiling vote 162 00:06:03,429 --> 00:06:04,530 without any budget reform 163 00:06:04,530 --> 00:06:05,832 that should be a bipartisan thing. 164 00:06:05,832 --> 00:06:08,668 The other guy was writing love letters to the Korean dude. 165 00:06:08,668 --> 00:06:11,871 I mean, it's not-- it's apples and oranges. 166 00:06:11,871 --> 00:06:14,407 You're talking about normal and I'm saying, 167 00:06:14,407 --> 00:06:17,376 but this is outside of normal and you've seen it. 168 00:06:17,577 --> 00:06:19,612 It's not like it's new or he's gonna change 169 00:06:19,612 --> 00:06:22,048 when he gets in office. We've had one term. 170 00:06:22,048 --> 00:06:27,153 - This is 2023, it's not 2017. - It's a non-starter, for me. 171 00:06:27,153 --> 00:06:29,889 I mean, any party that nominates that man is not a party 172 00:06:29,889 --> 00:06:32,492 {\an8}that should be in any sort of government position. 173 00:06:32,492 --> 00:06:36,596 {\an8}(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING, CHEERING) 174 00:06:36,596 --> 00:06:40,600 {\an8}So, my thought is how do you-- 175 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,669 {\an8}'Cause I don't think the left is capable of 176 00:06:43,669 --> 00:06:44,904 really taking on Trump. 177 00:06:45,204 --> 00:06:48,741 So, how do we find someone in the Republican ranks 178 00:06:48,741 --> 00:06:51,944 to replace Trump? We do have someone, DeSantis, who 179 00:06:52,278 --> 00:06:54,914 you know, you could say all sorts of pluses and minuses. 180 00:06:54,914 --> 00:06:56,449 But if you wanna get rid of Trump, you need to-- 181 00:06:56,449 --> 00:06:58,384 you better place your bets on him... 182 00:06:59,385 --> 00:07:01,087 which is why I was surprised that you said 183 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:02,789 you would combust if he asked you 184 00:07:02,789 --> 00:07:04,056 - to be his vice president. - We've never had 185 00:07:04,357 --> 00:07:05,224 - somebody from the House. - BILL: I think she just meant she was happy. 186 00:07:05,558 --> 00:07:06,759 ANDREW: Oh, happy? 187 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:08,628 - Oh, you mean happy. - I mean, you know, all the things. 188 00:07:08,628 --> 00:07:10,696 But, we haven't had a member of the U.S. House 189 00:07:10,696 --> 00:07:13,032 go into the White House as president or vice president 190 00:07:13,032 --> 00:07:15,001 since Abraham Lincoln. I mean, it just doesn't happen. 191 00:07:15,301 --> 00:07:17,503 I'm happy with a president of a variety of views. 192 00:07:17,503 --> 00:07:18,571 And I love my job. 193 00:07:18,571 --> 00:07:21,574 But I'm not happy with an insane, vengeful, 194 00:07:21,874 --> 00:07:24,477 - pathological, crazy person... - BILL: Right. 195 00:07:24,477 --> 00:07:26,412 ...like Trump. Period. Off... Off the table. 196 00:07:26,412 --> 00:07:28,548 And we've already seen it. It already happened. 197 00:07:28,548 --> 00:07:30,149 - He already tried it. - (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 198 00:07:30,149 --> 00:07:31,984 He already tried the coup. 199 00:07:32,485 --> 00:07:34,954 The thing that is the safe word for you guys. 200 00:07:34,954 --> 00:07:37,390 He already tried it. Again, we've seen it. 201 00:07:37,390 --> 00:07:39,125 And I know you can't say anything 202 00:07:39,125 --> 00:07:40,860 because when you're in the party, 203 00:07:41,093 --> 00:07:44,530 if you cross that line, then somehow you're toxic. 204 00:07:44,730 --> 00:07:46,699 I already crossed that line. He primaried me. 205 00:07:46,699 --> 00:07:49,202 I'm one of the only Republicans to survive a primary from Trump. 206 00:07:49,202 --> 00:07:50,837 BILL: We'll move on. All right. Andrew... 207 00:07:50,837 --> 00:07:52,305 But Bill was about to say something. 208 00:07:52,305 --> 00:07:54,073 - Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. - In a nutshell, 209 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,343 I think when the parties are relatively close together 210 00:07:57,343 --> 00:07:59,946 {\an8}or in the same ballpark or in the same universe... 211 00:07:59,946 --> 00:08:01,080 {\an8}BILL: Right. 212 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,949 {\an8}...character should count for much more than it does 213 00:08:02,949 --> 00:08:05,618 {\an8}these days and it's much easier to compromise. 214 00:08:05,852 --> 00:08:08,554 {\an8}And I think the dynamic that's governing here 215 00:08:08,554 --> 00:08:10,823 is that when you have a group that's way out 216 00:08:10,823 --> 00:08:13,392 to the Left, talking about fundamentally transforming 217 00:08:13,392 --> 00:08:16,629 the United States and so forth, it's hard to get compromised 218 00:08:16,629 --> 00:08:18,130 because people think they're making it. 219 00:08:18,130 --> 00:08:19,365 It's a slippery slope 220 00:08:19,365 --> 00:08:21,734 and they're dealing with potential Armageddon. 221 00:08:22,134 --> 00:08:24,804 And that's also why they say, "Look if it comes between policy 222 00:08:24,804 --> 00:08:27,940 and character, on this case, I'll go with policy." 223 00:08:28,174 --> 00:08:30,209 - I mean, I think it's-- - No, I-- Look. 224 00:08:30,209 --> 00:08:31,777 I mean, we, you and I, Andrew, 225 00:08:31,777 --> 00:08:33,579 we both talk-- You write about it. 226 00:08:33,579 --> 00:08:35,982 I talk about it. I hear on your podcast. 227 00:08:37,450 --> 00:08:42,588 It's-- There is something going on that is very... (SCOFFS) 228 00:08:43,022 --> 00:08:46,659 ...cultural revolution in China, 1966 with the red guards 229 00:08:46,659 --> 00:08:48,060 on the Left. There just is-- 230 00:08:48,060 --> 00:08:50,463 The fear is that Biden is not in control of that, 231 00:08:50,463 --> 00:08:52,498 - it's in control of him. - BILL: Right. 232 00:08:52,498 --> 00:08:55,134 And he doesn't even kind of realize 233 00:08:55,134 --> 00:08:58,204 what is going... That's my sense, anyway. 234 00:08:58,204 --> 00:09:00,006 I like Joe Biden. How can you not? 235 00:09:00,006 --> 00:09:01,707 - How do you dislike Joe Biden? - Right, right. 236 00:09:01,707 --> 00:09:04,477 - You know, he's... (CHUCKLES) - But also-- That, I mean-- 237 00:09:04,477 --> 00:09:06,979 He's shaking people and invisible hands. 238 00:09:06,979 --> 00:09:08,614 - I mean... - It's all right. He's okay. 239 00:09:08,614 --> 00:09:10,650 He's a bit fu-- He's a bit off. 240 00:09:10,650 --> 00:09:12,818 - BILL: As much as we-- - (CHUCKLES) 241 00:09:12,818 --> 00:09:15,821 - NANCY: Here we go. Like... - The milk has been out too long. 242 00:09:15,821 --> 00:09:17,657 And as much as we acknowledge that that is happening 243 00:09:17,657 --> 00:09:21,227 on the Left, it is a slow and encroaching problem. 244 00:09:21,227 --> 00:09:25,298 Whereas Trump seems to be sort of immediate and existential. 245 00:09:25,498 --> 00:09:27,199 But let me ask the last question today. 246 00:09:27,199 --> 00:09:29,502 Andrew, what should Republicans 247 00:09:29,502 --> 00:09:32,638 and Democrats be doing differently 248 00:09:32,638 --> 00:09:34,774 to appeal to Millennials and Gen Z? 249 00:09:36,709 --> 00:09:39,045 I think the Democrats should stop trying to pander 250 00:09:39,045 --> 00:09:40,146 to them so much. 251 00:09:40,146 --> 00:09:41,914 {\an8}'Cause I think that suggests the party doesn't have 252 00:09:41,914 --> 00:09:44,016 {\an8}its own ideas about the world. 253 00:09:45,251 --> 00:09:47,086 {\an8}BILL: Or that kids like being pandered to? 254 00:09:47,453 --> 00:09:51,524 {\an8}No. The-- They can be grown-ups. If you tell them that... 255 00:09:51,824 --> 00:09:53,192 what you want to do and they'll agree 256 00:09:53,192 --> 00:09:55,461 - or disagree. But tell them-- - BILL: It's not cool. 257 00:09:56,028 --> 00:09:57,964 They can-- The one thing they are good at, 258 00:09:57,964 --> 00:10:00,399 they're media-savvy and they can smell pandering. 259 00:10:00,766 --> 00:10:03,169 When you do it in advertising, they hate it... 260 00:10:03,169 --> 00:10:05,371 - ANDREW: Yeah. - ...when they can smell that out 261 00:10:05,371 --> 00:10:06,772 and I think they can smell that out. 262 00:10:06,772 --> 00:10:08,574 And as you said earlier in the show, 263 00:10:08,774 --> 00:10:11,711 they want to be led. They want somebody to-- 264 00:10:11,911 --> 00:10:14,080 They know they're kids. (CHUCKLES) 265 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,182 You know, when I was a kid, I didn't want to be like kids. 266 00:10:16,182 --> 00:10:18,584 I wanted to be like Johnny Carson and James Bond. 267 00:10:18,584 --> 00:10:21,087 - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) - BILL: You know? 268 00:10:21,554 --> 00:10:24,523 Grown ass men. That's who I would look up to. 269 00:10:25,858 --> 00:10:27,593 Yeah. No, I get that. 270 00:10:27,593 --> 00:10:29,528 So, what do they do? So, what do the parties do? 271 00:10:29,528 --> 00:10:32,431 Well, I think the main problem that the Republicans have, 272 00:10:32,431 --> 00:10:36,602 apart from Trump, I think, is the successful branding 273 00:10:36,602 --> 00:10:39,472 of them by the Democrats as racist, homophobic, 274 00:10:39,472 --> 00:10:42,408 all the things that the younger generation is just over. 275 00:10:42,708 --> 00:10:43,776 BILL: Right. 276 00:10:44,276 --> 00:10:46,645 And they don't have-- they haven't been able 277 00:10:46,645 --> 00:10:49,048 to represent this-- a message of saying, 278 00:10:49,682 --> 00:10:53,486 "We believe that you should succeed in America 279 00:10:54,186 --> 00:10:59,058 regardless of your background or orientation, or race, 280 00:10:59,058 --> 00:11:01,894 or color or creed," as opposed to the Democrats saying, 281 00:11:01,894 --> 00:11:05,865 -"We want you to succeed because you're Black, gay..." - BILL: Right. Right. 282 00:11:05,865 --> 00:11:09,001 - So, that's the way you want to contrast. - BILL: It's insulting. 283 00:11:09,001 --> 00:11:12,972 We want a diverse multicultural, multi-racial future 284 00:11:12,972 --> 00:11:16,242 based upon individual rights, individual freedom, 285 00:11:17,043 --> 00:11:21,180 free speech and the chaos of American culture. 286 00:11:21,180 --> 00:11:23,149 - Let's go for it. - BILL: And marriage. 287 00:11:23,382 --> 00:11:27,019 They're too scared right now and they've been, 288 00:11:27,019 --> 00:11:30,623 I think, psyched out in thinking that they can't embrace 289 00:11:30,623 --> 00:11:31,791 the cause of diversity. 290 00:11:31,791 --> 00:11:33,426 It's just a different kind of diversity 291 00:11:33,426 --> 00:11:35,094 they need to embrace. Don't you think? 292 00:11:35,094 --> 00:11:36,462 - (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) - WILLIAM BARR: Yep. 293 00:11:37,296 --> 00:11:39,331 Any thoughts on that for your party 294 00:11:39,331 --> 00:11:42,435 and the younger generation that doesn't seem to be 295 00:11:42,435 --> 00:11:43,502 too in love with your party? 296 00:11:43,502 --> 00:11:45,838 We got to stop acting like Alpha Hotels. 297 00:11:45,838 --> 00:11:48,707 {\an8}I mean, you know, when Roe v. Wade was overturned, 298 00:11:48,707 --> 00:11:51,010 {\an8}we just turned our backs on women across the country 299 00:11:51,010 --> 00:11:52,144 {\an8}and that's an issue. 300 00:11:52,144 --> 00:11:54,313 {\an8}- (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) - I was raped at the age of 16. 301 00:11:54,613 --> 00:11:57,716 And... something I've been very passionate about... 302 00:11:57,716 --> 00:12:01,120 I'm pro-life but I also see that we gotta find middle ground 303 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,855 with America, about 80 or 90 percent 304 00:12:02,855 --> 00:12:04,056 of people are in the middle 305 00:12:04,056 --> 00:12:05,958 and we've got to protect women's rights 306 00:12:05,958 --> 00:12:07,426 and the right to life and there's a way 307 00:12:07,426 --> 00:12:08,828 to work together on many of these issues. 308 00:12:09,095 --> 00:12:10,996 - Cannabis is another one. - BILL: I don't know how-- 309 00:12:10,996 --> 00:12:12,064 - (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING, CHEERING) - NANCY: It was-- 310 00:12:12,064 --> 00:12:14,500 But cannabis is another issue. 311 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:17,036 I have a bill called the States Reform Act 312 00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:20,306 that takes that issue and makes it in a way 313 00:12:20,306 --> 00:12:22,174 that's bipartisan, that Republicans and Democrats 314 00:12:22,174 --> 00:12:24,376 can get on. Republicans have been on the wrong side of cannabis. 315 00:12:24,577 --> 00:12:26,412 We've been on the wrong side of Roe v. Wade, we-- 316 00:12:26,412 --> 00:12:28,047 in birth control and gay marriage 317 00:12:28,047 --> 00:12:29,115 and all these issues that are important-- 318 00:12:29,115 --> 00:12:30,416 environmental issues, climate. 319 00:12:30,416 --> 00:12:32,118 What should the law be for Roe v. Wade? 320 00:12:32,118 --> 00:12:35,721 And now that it's turned back to this, really, 321 00:12:35,721 --> 00:12:37,490 I mean, we could write a law now which is 322 00:12:37,490 --> 00:12:39,558 what most other countries do. Am I right? 323 00:12:39,558 --> 00:12:43,162 I think most European countries have laws which are very often 324 00:12:43,162 --> 00:12:44,864 to the right of where we were. 325 00:12:44,864 --> 00:12:46,332 They were more conservative than we were under Roe v. Wade 326 00:12:46,332 --> 00:12:48,367 - Socialist Europe. - BILL: And we're talking about... 327 00:12:48,667 --> 00:12:50,736 - ANDREW: Germany. Denmark. - Germany. Denmark. Yeah. 328 00:12:51,070 --> 00:12:52,571 Pretty liberal countries. 329 00:12:52,872 --> 00:12:56,075 But now that we could and probably will write a law 330 00:12:56,075 --> 00:12:58,110 about it, what should that law say? 331 00:12:58,110 --> 00:13:00,179 Because when you say we can kind of split 332 00:13:00,179 --> 00:13:02,281 the difference, that's a hard thing to do on abortion. 333 00:13:02,281 --> 00:13:03,949 - It's very hard, but it is an issue. - Yeah. 334 00:13:03,949 --> 00:13:06,519 What does the law say? That it's-- abortion is legal 335 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:10,089 but only till 12 weeks or 15 weeks or what...? 336 00:13:10,322 --> 00:13:12,458 Well, I think gestational limits should be part 337 00:13:12,458 --> 00:13:15,060 of that conversation. In Europe, it's-- if you're even allowed 338 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:17,796 to have one, it's 12 to 15 weeks on average. You've got-- 339 00:13:17,796 --> 00:13:18,931 BILL: So, that would be where you-- 340 00:13:18,931 --> 00:13:21,800 Well, I mean, Democrats are at 24. 341 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,203 Republicans, in Congress, probably at 15. 342 00:13:24,503 --> 00:13:26,038 You know, can you get to 20 and meet in the middle? 343 00:13:26,038 --> 00:13:27,640 But both sides have to be willing 344 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,108 - to have that conversation. - BILL: But some abortion legal? 345 00:13:29,708 --> 00:13:32,411 Right. Well, especially exceptions for rape, incest, 346 00:13:32,411 --> 00:13:34,713 life of mother, fetal abnormalities. 347 00:13:35,381 --> 00:13:36,382 Those kinds of things. 348 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:39,385 But before we even get there, we can't even pass legislation 349 00:13:39,385 --> 00:13:41,353 right now in Congress to give every woman access 350 00:13:41,353 --> 00:13:43,689 to birth control. We can't even do that. 351 00:13:43,689 --> 00:13:45,925 And if you can't even do that, that saves lives, 352 00:13:45,925 --> 00:13:49,562 fewer pregnancies mean fewer wants and needs 353 00:13:49,562 --> 00:13:50,629 to have abortions. 354 00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:52,331 We have entire counties in South Carolina 355 00:13:52,531 --> 00:13:55,334 where we don't have a single OB-GYN doctor. 356 00:13:55,634 --> 00:13:57,369 I mean, and so, like, let's start there. 357 00:13:57,369 --> 00:13:59,171 Let's start with birth control, making sure every woman 358 00:13:59,171 --> 00:14:00,372 - has access. - (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 359 00:14:00,372 --> 00:14:03,008 Is this a Republican point of view you can support? 360 00:14:03,876 --> 00:14:05,811 - Yes. - Yes, you could? 361 00:14:06,212 --> 00:14:08,080 Yeah. Let the states make the rules. 362 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,051 And, regarding these things. I'm perfectly happy if they do. 363 00:14:12,051 --> 00:14:14,653 I think the federal government needs to stay out of this stuff. 364 00:14:14,653 --> 00:14:17,489 I never understood that something could be... (CHUCKLES) 365 00:14:17,489 --> 00:14:19,725 ...so high up on the moral totem pole 366 00:14:19,725 --> 00:14:22,995 as life or not life and then, but let the states do it. 367 00:14:22,995 --> 00:14:24,296 - ANDREW: 'Cause we've gotta combat that. - You know? 368 00:14:24,296 --> 00:14:26,799 And like, North Carolina wants to kill babies, 369 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:28,767 that's certainly fine in North Carolina. 370 00:14:28,767 --> 00:14:31,103 But in South Carolina, we believe babies-- 371 00:14:31,303 --> 00:14:33,806 - That always blows my mind. - This was a number two issue. 372 00:14:33,806 --> 00:14:35,441 I know. But either it is or it isn't, I mean, 373 00:14:35,441 --> 00:14:38,544 how can it be up to the s-- how could you cross the line 374 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:41,080 of one state to another and have something 375 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,115 so fundamental change? It seems silly. 376 00:14:43,115 --> 00:14:44,216 - Yeah. - Well, that's what we are. 377 00:14:44,216 --> 00:14:45,417 Well, there are a couple of different-- 378 00:14:45,417 --> 00:14:47,219 what do people personally believe, 379 00:14:47,219 --> 00:14:49,054 what do I think as a Conservative 380 00:14:49,355 --> 00:14:54,159 {\an8}is a solution that'll keep us... a stable, a durable solution 381 00:14:54,460 --> 00:14:57,596 {\an8}that will be a stable solution in this country. 382 00:14:57,596 --> 00:14:58,831 {\an8}It has to conform. 383 00:14:58,831 --> 00:15:01,634 {\an8}Politics is not about affirming truth. 384 00:15:01,634 --> 00:15:05,237 It's about finding a compromise between different opinions. 385 00:15:05,437 --> 00:15:07,506 - Right. - That's always going to mean on some of these questions 386 00:15:07,506 --> 00:15:09,174 like abortion, you're going to have to live 387 00:15:09,174 --> 00:15:11,644 {\an8}in a country which is violating-- other people are violating 388 00:15:11,644 --> 00:15:14,647 {\an8}some core feelings and beliefs of yours. 389 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,283 {\an8}So, get used to it. Learn to live with it. 390 00:15:17,283 --> 00:15:21,253 Accept it. You know, I'm-- I, you know, I actually-- 391 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,791 I believe the fetus is a human life... 392 00:15:27,593 --> 00:15:30,462 but I do understand that it's inside someone else's body. 393 00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:33,232 I do understand I don't like governments telling 394 00:15:33,232 --> 00:15:34,833 people what to do inside their body. 395 00:15:34,833 --> 00:15:37,970 I also believe there are good faith disagreements. 396 00:15:38,270 --> 00:15:41,140 Good faith disagreements about when a human life becomes 397 00:15:41,140 --> 00:15:44,009 a human person. And so, we have to accept that they'll-- 398 00:15:44,009 --> 00:15:45,778 that'll be a problem. The one thing I would say... 399 00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:47,346 add to this discussion is-- 400 00:15:48,447 --> 00:15:50,783 and I'm the last person to talk about this. (CHUCKLES) 401 00:15:50,983 --> 00:15:52,885 I will never have anything to do with an abortion, 402 00:15:52,885 --> 00:15:56,088 but, is the one exception I would make 403 00:15:56,088 --> 00:15:58,290 is late term abortions which are often used 404 00:15:58,290 --> 00:16:01,126 as a cudgel in this war. 405 00:16:01,126 --> 00:16:03,395 And they say, "You want this. You want this. It's barbaric." 406 00:16:03,595 --> 00:16:06,198 You know... I think you make an exemption 407 00:16:06,198 --> 00:16:09,301 for women who find out very late in pregnancy that their baby 408 00:16:09,301 --> 00:16:13,205 or their child is incredibly-- has terrible deformative 409 00:16:13,205 --> 00:16:16,108 or developmental issues or is gonna live like 410 00:16:16,108 --> 00:16:17,910 - a few minutes or... - BILL: Right. 411 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:20,879 And the question is simply how do we humanely allow 412 00:16:20,879 --> 00:16:23,716 this child to die and to come-- 413 00:16:23,716 --> 00:16:26,018 And that is, I mean, for the women involved, 414 00:16:26,018 --> 00:16:28,220 it's usually just horrifying. 415 00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:30,456 And for the families, it's awful. 416 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:32,591 And to come in there and condemn people 417 00:16:32,591 --> 00:16:34,960 for making those decisions, I don't want to do that. 418 00:16:35,194 --> 00:16:36,829 - BILL: Great. Okay. - (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING, CHEERING) 419 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:40,966 Thank you very much, everybody. Off to a new start. (CHUCKLES)