1 00:00:14,808 --> 00:00:18,060 Welcome to New York City, the capital of the world. 2 00:00:18,061 --> 00:00:20,397 I remember when I got to New York. 3 00:00:20,897 --> 00:00:23,857 Coming from the airport, you see the skyline, 4 00:00:23,858 --> 00:00:26,402 you just go! This energy. 5 00:00:26,403 --> 00:00:29,572 It was more than what I imagined it to be. 6 00:00:45,338 --> 00:00:47,298 New York was just jumping. 7 00:00:49,009 --> 00:00:51,260 People singing on the corner. 8 00:00:54,639 --> 00:00:58,183 As a dancer, the first thing I wanted to do 9 00:00:58,184 --> 00:01:01,521 was go to the Alvin Ailey School of Dance. 10 00:01:05,525 --> 00:01:09,194 New York was vibrant and the energy was incredible. 11 00:01:17,037 --> 00:01:19,597 I thought that New York City was like magic. 12 00:01:20,874 --> 00:01:24,794 It had a little bit of that, kind of, grittiness that it's known for. 13 00:01:25,837 --> 00:01:28,757 There was a lot of graffiti, especially downtown. 14 00:01:29,341 --> 00:01:31,301 Here we go, off to the Limelight. 15 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,470 I love that everyone got dressed up to go out, 16 00:01:34,471 --> 00:01:36,764 and that's how it should be! 17 00:01:36,765 --> 00:01:38,974 We were supposed to have dinner together... 18 00:01:41,645 --> 00:01:43,687 We liked going to Times Square 19 00:01:43,688 --> 00:01:46,066 before Times Square got cleaned up. 20 00:01:46,691 --> 00:01:48,984 When there were peep shows, we didn't go to the peep shows, 21 00:01:48,985 --> 00:01:53,322 but I'm just saying New York was a different place. 22 00:01:53,323 --> 00:01:56,284 A little seedy, a little... It was fun. 23 00:01:58,328 --> 00:02:00,829 My time in New York, in the fashion world, 24 00:02:00,830 --> 00:02:04,209 I do think it was kind of the golden age, but... 25 00:02:04,876 --> 00:02:07,629 if it wasn't, don't tell me. Don't ruin the illusion. 26 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:22,184 How am I doing? 27 00:02:22,185 --> 00:02:23,435 You're doing terrific! 28 00:02:23,436 --> 00:02:24,437 Thank you! 29 00:02:25,438 --> 00:02:27,107 When I got to New York, 30 00:02:27,649 --> 00:02:28,857 I was twenty. 31 00:02:28,858 --> 00:02:31,860 I'd been in Chicago, so I knew a little bit what a city felt like, 32 00:02:31,861 --> 00:02:33,905 but New York is its own thing. 33 00:02:36,408 --> 00:02:40,536 I remember trying to take the Subway, but being a little intimidated by that. 34 00:02:40,537 --> 00:02:41,996 I would try to get taxis. 35 00:02:41,997 --> 00:02:44,498 Sometimes they would stop and sometimes they wouldn't stop, 36 00:02:44,499 --> 00:02:48,294 and I could not for the life of me figure it out until one day I realized, 37 00:02:48,295 --> 00:02:50,422 "The light has to be on". 38 00:02:52,382 --> 00:02:55,551 I'd put out my hands many times on New York City streets, 39 00:02:55,552 --> 00:02:57,928 and the taxis would fly by. 40 00:02:57,929 --> 00:03:00,472 Then Christy would put out the hand and then they would stop. 41 00:03:00,473 --> 00:03:02,850 The guy would be like, "I don't wanna go to Brooklyn." 42 00:03:02,851 --> 00:03:04,685 I was just like, "Why is he saying that?" 43 00:03:04,686 --> 00:03:07,688 It didn't strike me until Christy would have to stand out in front of me, 44 00:03:07,689 --> 00:03:09,316 get me a taxi to get to work. 45 00:03:12,611 --> 00:03:13,736 It was all new to me. 46 00:03:13,737 --> 00:03:16,072 It was exciting. It was challenging. 47 00:03:16,448 --> 00:03:19,825 Stand here for us... You just made my day. 48 00:03:19,826 --> 00:03:21,869 I had a really good friend who was a makeup artist, 49 00:03:21,870 --> 00:03:25,122 and she let me stay on her couch. 50 00:03:25,123 --> 00:03:26,665 After about three months, she's like, 51 00:03:26,666 --> 00:03:28,835 "I think you need to get your own apartment." 52 00:03:29,628 --> 00:03:31,921 I got my first apartment before I turned 18 53 00:03:31,922 --> 00:03:33,255 and then moved in straight away. 54 00:03:33,256 --> 00:03:35,966 And had that kind of, like, big lofty thing, 55 00:03:35,967 --> 00:03:39,930 but without any food in the fridge or any furniture, really. 56 00:03:40,639 --> 00:03:44,350 And I was working constantly but your agency is taking a lot, 57 00:03:44,351 --> 00:03:46,895 and also, just rent and all of the other things. 58 00:03:49,606 --> 00:03:52,442 Christy and I lived together. We were roommates. 59 00:03:53,526 --> 00:03:57,446 We would just be silly and have a laugh and have fun and... 60 00:03:57,447 --> 00:03:59,908 - felt so comfortable with all of them. - Okay... 61 00:04:04,287 --> 00:04:05,664 They're my sisters. 62 00:04:18,843 --> 00:04:20,928 When I started working in New York, 63 00:04:20,929 --> 00:04:23,931 it was so very much this, like, 64 00:04:23,932 --> 00:04:27,017 nine to five, it's just a job job. 65 00:04:27,018 --> 00:04:29,354 It felt very much like Working Girl. 66 00:04:33,275 --> 00:04:35,527 I had to make my own way in the world. 67 00:04:36,361 --> 00:04:39,029 Mommy and Daddy were not bailing me out. 68 00:04:39,030 --> 00:04:43,368 Like, if I rented an apartment and I couldn't pay my rent, guess what? 69 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,869 I'm getting evicted and moving back home. 70 00:04:45,870 --> 00:04:47,538 There wasn't that cushion, 71 00:04:47,539 --> 00:04:51,376 which gave me a lot of drive, and I hustled. 72 00:04:53,545 --> 00:04:57,007 Francesco Scavullo booked me for Cosmopolitan. 73 00:04:57,799 --> 00:05:01,136 He liked me because I reminded him of Gia. 74 00:05:04,055 --> 00:05:06,891 Gia was, like, a favorite of so many photographers 75 00:05:06,892 --> 00:05:09,185 and so my agency said, "We have baby Gia." 76 00:05:13,315 --> 00:05:16,734 Those girls worked hard, 77 00:05:16,735 --> 00:05:18,820 and they worked constantly. 78 00:05:19,571 --> 00:05:21,238 There was a feeling about them, 79 00:05:21,239 --> 00:05:25,743 that they wanted more than just what was there, 80 00:05:25,744 --> 00:05:27,537 but they were driven to... 81 00:05:28,246 --> 00:05:29,830 be better all the time. 82 00:05:29,831 --> 00:05:31,332 They were constantly seeking 83 00:05:31,333 --> 00:05:35,544 and wanting and curious and knowledgeable, 84 00:05:35,545 --> 00:05:37,671 and just driven. 85 00:05:37,672 --> 00:05:39,340 - When's it gonna be on? Tonight? - Yeah. 86 00:05:39,341 --> 00:05:41,383 - Great. - If you stay up that late, 12:30. 87 00:05:41,384 --> 00:05:43,052 - No. - No! Yeah! 88 00:05:44,095 --> 00:05:46,472 I have to work early tomorrow. I don't think I'm gonna stay up. 89 00:05:46,473 --> 00:05:48,849 By the time I started to work a lot with Vogue, 90 00:05:48,850 --> 00:05:51,310 I would say to the editors, you know, like, 91 00:05:51,311 --> 00:05:54,521 "Well, I wanna work with Steven Meisel, can I work with Steven Meisel?" 92 00:05:54,522 --> 00:05:56,440 And I remember Polly Mellen telling me like, 93 00:05:56,441 --> 00:05:58,192 "I don't think you're his type, really." 94 00:05:58,193 --> 00:05:59,944 I was like, "What do you mean I'm not his type?" 95 00:05:59,945 --> 00:06:02,571 Steven is one of the great artists of our time, 96 00:06:02,572 --> 00:06:04,323 because he would look at a model, 97 00:06:04,324 --> 00:06:08,161 and he will see through the model to what they could be. 98 00:06:08,912 --> 00:06:10,621 When we started hanging out, 99 00:06:10,622 --> 00:06:13,040 Steven and I would go out 100 00:06:13,041 --> 00:06:16,252 and with a Polaroid camera, take pictures, 101 00:06:16,253 --> 00:06:18,838 and you knew right then and there that Steven had the eye. 102 00:06:20,298 --> 00:06:21,258 He could spot somebody, 103 00:06:21,259 --> 00:06:24,843 he could make them pose the way he was imagining. 104 00:06:24,844 --> 00:06:26,512 He just had such a vision. 105 00:06:26,513 --> 00:06:28,722 Steven started photographing 106 00:06:28,723 --> 00:06:32,978 in the very, very, very, early 80s. 107 00:06:34,145 --> 00:06:37,232 And he had gotten a studio on 23rd Street. 108 00:06:38,149 --> 00:06:39,567 We used to call it "The Clinic," 109 00:06:39,568 --> 00:06:44,614 'cause the girls would come in and Steven would teach them how to model. 110 00:06:45,865 --> 00:06:48,034 The girls would change completely, 111 00:06:48,535 --> 00:06:53,205 and the ones that were great would come out as superstars, 112 00:06:53,206 --> 00:06:55,833 'cause they just took it, they were absorbing all of it. 113 00:06:55,834 --> 00:06:57,794 They wanted to learn. 114 00:06:59,671 --> 00:07:01,297 Steven Meisel had a mirror in the studio 115 00:07:01,298 --> 00:07:03,382 for the models to look at themselves, 116 00:07:03,383 --> 00:07:05,926 giving the girl the authority 117 00:07:05,927 --> 00:07:09,889 to push herself to the nth degree 118 00:07:09,890 --> 00:07:12,976 because they would know if the foot was in the right place or not. 119 00:07:15,061 --> 00:07:16,979 I remember... 120 00:07:16,980 --> 00:07:21,692 when I get called to work with Steven Meisel for the first time. 121 00:07:21,693 --> 00:07:23,944 I was so hoping Steven would like me 122 00:07:23,945 --> 00:07:27,114 and he said, "Can you walk? Like a big stride?" 123 00:07:27,115 --> 00:07:29,241 And I was like, "Yeah." 124 00:07:29,242 --> 00:07:33,580 And he said, "But do you think you can hit the mark and stay in focus?" 125 00:07:34,372 --> 00:07:35,957 And I said, "Yeah." 126 00:07:38,209 --> 00:07:40,002 I did it over and over. 127 00:07:40,003 --> 00:07:45,007 And then that was the beginning of my relationship with him. 128 00:07:45,008 --> 00:07:49,471 And we all got to be part of the process. 129 00:07:55,518 --> 00:07:57,562 It was my, like, my school. 130 00:07:58,563 --> 00:08:00,272 He was very tactile always, as well. 131 00:08:00,273 --> 00:08:03,359 Like, come over and actually hands on your hair. 132 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,903 Help do the makeup. 133 00:08:05,695 --> 00:08:09,949 It was kind of our own little factory vibe in that we played. 134 00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:12,117 We'd come to the studio and if we didn't have a plan 135 00:08:12,118 --> 00:08:14,578 of what was gonna happen, we all kind of got to 136 00:08:14,579 --> 00:08:16,872 work together and figure out what that was gonna be, 137 00:08:16,873 --> 00:08:17,999 what the look was gonna be. 138 00:08:18,917 --> 00:08:23,337 It was just constant building, destroying, building again. 139 00:08:29,761 --> 00:08:34,431 He really created this very intimate and safe environment on the set. 140 00:08:34,432 --> 00:08:36,433 I felt like he really looked after me. 141 00:08:37,310 --> 00:08:40,230 You know, I just feel like he cared how comfortable I was, 142 00:08:41,147 --> 00:08:44,275 or recognized maybe when I wasn't, when I wouldn't have said anything, maybe. 143 00:08:46,695 --> 00:08:50,407 It was really, really a special, um, family kind of bond. 144 00:08:51,825 --> 00:08:56,871 I was 16 when I got to work with Steven Meisel for American Vogue. 145 00:08:59,958 --> 00:09:02,501 She arrives, her legs was already 146 00:09:02,502 --> 00:09:05,671 as big as they are now, three meters. 147 00:09:05,672 --> 00:09:10,426 So, immediately Steven called her Bambi because she was Bambi. 148 00:09:10,427 --> 00:09:12,177 She was all shy, she was like... 149 00:09:13,555 --> 00:09:16,348 Well, she is not at all but that doesn't matter, 150 00:09:16,349 --> 00:09:20,145 and she was a dancer so she'd use her legs and everything. 151 00:09:23,356 --> 00:09:24,566 I'm trying to think. 152 00:09:25,775 --> 00:09:29,946 Very first one is the dancing pictures and I don't know if they're in there. 153 00:09:36,161 --> 00:09:39,164 Working with Steven Meisel is like an education. 154 00:09:40,540 --> 00:09:44,211 He molds you, in just such a subtle way, 155 00:09:45,295 --> 00:09:49,131 that you almost were like, "How did he get that out of me 156 00:09:49,132 --> 00:09:50,967 because I didn't think I had that in me." 157 00:09:54,721 --> 00:09:57,473 I was very lucky to meet this wonderful man 158 00:09:57,474 --> 00:10:00,352 who's still family in my life and I love him dearly. 159 00:10:02,020 --> 00:10:05,232 And I understood that you can have chosen families. 160 00:10:08,526 --> 00:10:10,611 I didn't meet my father, 161 00:10:10,612 --> 00:10:12,780 my mother had me at 17. 162 00:10:12,781 --> 00:10:14,366 I think he was the same age. 163 00:10:14,908 --> 00:10:16,825 That feeling of abandonment... 164 00:10:16,826 --> 00:10:20,121 It's nothing she could have done to change that feeling with me. 165 00:10:21,122 --> 00:10:24,626 I also believe a lot of that was part of my drive, too. 166 00:10:25,210 --> 00:10:27,921 Not having my father figure in my life. 167 00:10:30,549 --> 00:10:32,133 But then I got blessed. 168 00:10:33,176 --> 00:10:38,348 When I was 16, I was working in Paris and I was on my own. 169 00:10:39,766 --> 00:10:42,602 But one day, my purse was stolen, 170 00:10:43,270 --> 00:10:45,187 I'd had all my money stolen. 171 00:10:45,188 --> 00:10:48,233 My traveler's checks, I should say. Mum gave me traveler's checks. 172 00:10:49,025 --> 00:10:52,445 I was going to dinner with another model 'cause she felt pity on me, 173 00:10:53,572 --> 00:10:56,700 and that's when I met Azzedine Alaïa. 174 00:11:00,620 --> 00:11:05,834 Azzedine Alaïa was a very enigmatic designer. 175 00:11:06,918 --> 00:11:10,714 Azzedine really loved playing with the female form. 176 00:11:11,715 --> 00:11:13,757 Femininity is a whole thing. 177 00:11:16,052 --> 00:11:18,220 I don't know, I can't define some things. 178 00:11:18,221 --> 00:11:23,393 I think his clothes were very slinky, very sexy, very seductive. 179 00:11:23,894 --> 00:11:28,063 There's an architectural feel to some of these pieces. 180 00:11:28,064 --> 00:11:31,484 But very comfortable. They moved with you. 181 00:11:31,985 --> 00:11:34,821 And he was just a sweet, sweet man. 182 00:11:35,864 --> 00:11:38,449 And he doesn't speak English. I don't speak French. 183 00:11:38,450 --> 00:11:40,826 But there's something. 184 00:11:40,827 --> 00:11:44,163 And then he gave me an outfit, 185 00:11:44,164 --> 00:11:46,498 and he asked me to put it on, 186 00:11:46,499 --> 00:11:48,459 to see what his clothes looked like on me. 187 00:11:49,378 --> 00:11:50,545 And I put it on, 188 00:11:51,254 --> 00:11:53,340 and he liked how it looked. 189 00:11:53,965 --> 00:11:58,219 And then he asked me where I was staying, and I told him, at the Hotel Lenox. 190 00:11:58,220 --> 00:12:02,097 He then said to me, "Where's your mother?" 191 00:12:02,098 --> 00:12:03,682 And I said, "My mother's in London." 192 00:12:03,683 --> 00:12:05,643 My mother speaks French. 193 00:12:05,644 --> 00:12:07,519 So, he said, "Call her." 194 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,105 So, I called my mum, and they spoke. 195 00:12:10,106 --> 00:12:14,360 And he told to my mum that he would take care of me, 196 00:12:14,361 --> 00:12:16,820 that I would stay under his roof 197 00:12:16,821 --> 00:12:19,073 and that I would be safe to stay there. 198 00:12:19,074 --> 00:12:21,909 My mother did not know who she was talking to, 199 00:12:21,910 --> 00:12:24,663 never met him, but trusted him. 200 00:12:25,413 --> 00:12:28,707 And so the next day or the next two days later, 201 00:12:28,708 --> 00:12:31,586 I moved into Rue du Parc-Royal. 202 00:12:35,298 --> 00:12:37,384 I love this dress. 203 00:12:38,718 --> 00:12:40,679 - I've worn this. - Really? 204 00:12:41,763 --> 00:12:43,765 - Piece of art. - Yeah. 205 00:12:45,350 --> 00:12:47,268 My papa was a genius. 206 00:12:47,269 --> 00:12:48,520 Yes, he was. 207 00:12:50,188 --> 00:12:51,106 There you are. 208 00:12:57,070 --> 00:12:59,114 I thought my papa was gonna live forever. 209 00:12:59,864 --> 00:13:01,616 I never imagined... 210 00:13:03,827 --> 00:13:07,122 I never imagined... even thought about him leaving. 211 00:13:09,916 --> 00:13:13,252 Naomi became Alaïa's muse, 212 00:13:13,253 --> 00:13:15,881 you know, like, almost like family. 213 00:13:17,465 --> 00:13:20,385 He introduced me to so much in the world. 214 00:13:21,052 --> 00:13:22,928 I met so many amazing people. 215 00:13:22,929 --> 00:13:26,141 I learned about art, architecture, design. 216 00:13:26,808 --> 00:13:30,437 Most importantly, I got to watch him work. I got to be part of his work. 217 00:13:31,021 --> 00:13:33,106 And he really treated me like a daughter. 218 00:13:35,108 --> 00:13:38,695 I mean, like, made me breakfast, made me dinner. 219 00:13:40,947 --> 00:13:43,532 I mean, we used to fight, don't get me wrong. 220 00:13:43,533 --> 00:13:46,368 I would sneak out the window, go clubbing, 221 00:13:46,369 --> 00:13:48,245 they'd call and tell him I was in the nightclub. 222 00:13:48,246 --> 00:13:49,997 He'd come down to the nightclub. 223 00:13:49,998 --> 00:13:53,250 And before he would take me home he'd say, "You wore the outfit wrong," 224 00:13:53,251 --> 00:13:55,085 and he'd be fixing it. 225 00:13:55,086 --> 00:13:57,588 And, "You should have put the belt like this and..." 226 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,216 And you know, 227 00:14:00,217 --> 00:14:03,803 'cause you have to imagine the boutique was my closet. 228 00:14:04,471 --> 00:14:07,181 What girl of 16-years-old 229 00:14:07,182 --> 00:14:10,227 has an Alaïa shop as her closet? 230 00:14:12,562 --> 00:14:14,314 When he passed away, 231 00:14:15,941 --> 00:14:18,652 it was a shock to the system. 232 00:14:19,778 --> 00:14:22,614 My life would have definitely been different without him. 233 00:14:23,949 --> 00:14:26,492 He protected me in this business, 234 00:14:26,493 --> 00:14:28,286 he guided me. 235 00:14:29,537 --> 00:14:32,081 I mean, once... 236 00:14:32,082 --> 00:14:36,961 art director felt the need to tell me that he thought my breasts were perfect, 237 00:14:36,962 --> 00:14:39,381 but he felt the need to have to touch them. 238 00:14:40,090 --> 00:14:42,883 I called papa immediately, 239 00:14:42,884 --> 00:14:46,595 I called papa right away and papa called him up 240 00:14:46,596 --> 00:14:48,473 and read him. 241 00:14:49,099 --> 00:14:51,225 Never came near me again. 242 00:14:51,226 --> 00:14:55,521 It served that I opened my mouth and would speak my truth 243 00:14:55,522 --> 00:14:58,107 because I believed that protected me, 244 00:14:58,108 --> 00:15:01,570 as well as who I was surrounded by. 245 00:15:04,739 --> 00:15:06,073 Hi, everybody. 246 00:15:06,074 --> 00:15:07,199 - Hello. - Hello. 247 00:15:09,828 --> 00:15:11,704 In his fifties, Jean-Luc Brunel 248 00:15:11,705 --> 00:15:14,583 allowed himself to be filmed during a casting in Florida. 249 00:15:15,500 --> 00:15:17,294 It's his favorite exercise, 250 00:15:17,627 --> 00:15:18,752 "chasing models" 251 00:15:18,753 --> 00:15:20,005 as they say in the business. 252 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,635 Courtney Powell landed at the Karin Models agency in Paris. 253 00:15:26,595 --> 00:15:30,891 "He started talking about sending me for a bathing suit campaign. 254 00:15:32,976 --> 00:15:36,229 He told me that my measurements had to be perfect, 255 00:15:36,938 --> 00:15:39,482 and that you have to have a certain look, 256 00:15:40,525 --> 00:15:42,777 and he wanted me to pull up my shirt. 257 00:15:42,903 --> 00:15:44,863 He started touching me." 258 00:15:45,238 --> 00:15:48,283 Courtney says that she resisted him several times. 259 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:52,036 "From the moment I said no to Jean-Luc Brunel 260 00:15:52,037 --> 00:15:53,871 I no longer got any work." 261 00:15:53,872 --> 00:15:55,748 I met Jean-Luc Brunel, 262 00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:58,709 who's the infamous French agent 263 00:15:58,710 --> 00:16:03,255 who was running Karin's agency in Paris at that time. 264 00:16:03,256 --> 00:16:07,719 And they were like partners, the Fords and Karins. 265 00:16:10,347 --> 00:16:11,472 I would go to Paris 266 00:16:11,473 --> 00:16:16,353 and the Fords would have it set up that I would stay at Jean-Luc's apartment. 267 00:16:19,856 --> 00:16:22,776 I think most of us are young. 268 00:16:23,485 --> 00:16:26,529 You're put in an environment that you probably... 269 00:16:27,197 --> 00:16:29,199 is completely new to you, right? 270 00:16:30,951 --> 00:16:34,453 You know, you're overpowered by a older man 271 00:16:34,454 --> 00:16:36,789 that's, like, going to guide your career. 272 00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:38,165 You trust him. 273 00:16:38,166 --> 00:16:40,794 You know, same old story. 274 00:16:43,672 --> 00:16:44,880 Nothing happened. Most of the time 275 00:16:44,881 --> 00:16:46,299 he wasn't really even there. 276 00:16:47,551 --> 00:16:51,428 I got angry at just looking back and thinking, like, survival sk... 277 00:16:51,429 --> 00:16:53,557 Like I can't believe that I'm okay. 278 00:16:59,396 --> 00:17:01,689 Nothing really surprises me about anybody. 279 00:17:01,690 --> 00:17:03,107 I feel like even people you know, 280 00:17:03,108 --> 00:17:05,360 you just don't know what they're capable of. 281 00:17:06,861 --> 00:17:08,486 President of Elite Europe, 282 00:17:08,487 --> 00:17:12,449 who coordinates the efforts of the Elite offices on the continent... 283 00:17:12,867 --> 00:17:14,534 Mr. Gérald Marie. 284 00:17:18,497 --> 00:17:19,916 I married my agent... 285 00:17:22,669 --> 00:17:24,295 Gérald Marie. 286 00:17:28,341 --> 00:17:30,968 Who I thought was, like, so charming, 287 00:17:30,969 --> 00:17:33,430 I liked how assertive he was. 288 00:17:34,264 --> 00:17:37,016 When she has Elite on her back, the girl must be good. 289 00:17:37,017 --> 00:17:41,687 If an Elite girl doesn't bring in $200-$250K a year 290 00:17:41,688 --> 00:17:44,274 we won't keep her. 291 00:17:45,942 --> 00:17:48,028 She was only 22, she was young. 292 00:17:49,571 --> 00:17:51,280 I never really saw him in New York. 293 00:17:51,281 --> 00:17:54,534 And when I met Linda, she was already engaged to him. 294 00:17:57,662 --> 00:17:59,331 He really pushed me... 295 00:18:00,165 --> 00:18:02,000 to work, so much. 296 00:18:04,461 --> 00:18:07,881 He... felt like a great guy. 297 00:18:09,466 --> 00:18:13,928 He told me he was a German photographer's assistant. 298 00:18:13,929 --> 00:18:16,805 And I thought he was obnoxious. 299 00:18:16,806 --> 00:18:19,683 But something happened! 300 00:18:19,684 --> 00:18:22,187 And the next time I met him I found out he wasn't. 301 00:18:23,605 --> 00:18:25,064 And I fell in love. 302 00:18:25,065 --> 00:18:26,565 Aw, aww... 303 00:18:26,566 --> 00:18:29,276 See, it's very good to be a German photographer assistant. 304 00:18:30,487 --> 00:18:33,698 I just wanna live happily ever after, that's all. 305 00:18:35,075 --> 00:18:37,744 I lived in Paris about three years... 306 00:18:38,828 --> 00:18:41,039 and climbed the ladder slowly... 307 00:18:41,998 --> 00:18:44,626 before I felt like... 308 00:18:45,335 --> 00:18:46,585 I really made it, 309 00:18:46,586 --> 00:18:48,672 I could start saving money. 310 00:18:49,214 --> 00:18:52,634 I started working with really the top photographers. 311 00:18:54,052 --> 00:18:56,220 But I wanted to be on a cover of Vogue. 312 00:18:56,221 --> 00:18:59,015 Any Vogue, it was a dream for me. 313 00:19:01,309 --> 00:19:03,937 I went on a trip with Peter Lindbergh. 314 00:19:04,854 --> 00:19:08,107 Peter saw the androgynous side of me 315 00:19:08,108 --> 00:19:11,861 and he really wanted me to cut my hair off. 316 00:19:12,904 --> 00:19:16,865 He explained to me, "We already did so much with your long hair. 317 00:19:16,866 --> 00:19:20,662 I think you really need to do this to go further." 318 00:19:22,706 --> 00:19:25,207 I asked my mother what she thought. 319 00:19:25,208 --> 00:19:28,752 She said, "But why? You'll be the only girl with short hair." 320 00:19:28,753 --> 00:19:31,590 And I went, "Well, that's not a bad thing." 321 00:19:33,508 --> 00:19:36,093 She just walked into the studio and said, "I'm ready now, 322 00:19:36,094 --> 00:19:37,721 I want to cut my hair." 323 00:19:38,263 --> 00:19:41,390 And then Julien, Julien who was her hair dresser, 324 00:19:41,391 --> 00:19:45,269 just took her whole hair back, and said, "Is everybody okay?" 325 00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:48,230 And she said "No, no," and she start crying, no? 326 00:19:48,231 --> 00:19:50,275 And he took the scissors, and whap! 327 00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:54,529 It was gone in one zip, no? 328 00:20:00,869 --> 00:20:03,788 After that I went to Milano 329 00:20:04,331 --> 00:20:06,457 to do the fashion shows 330 00:20:06,458 --> 00:20:10,295 where I was booked for 20 shows. 331 00:20:10,837 --> 00:20:12,338 As I was doing my fittings 332 00:20:12,339 --> 00:20:14,632 and as they were seeing me, 333 00:20:14,633 --> 00:20:16,509 they all started canceling me. 334 00:20:17,177 --> 00:20:18,887 I only did four shows. 335 00:20:20,722 --> 00:20:22,515 Done. 336 00:20:23,975 --> 00:20:25,977 And the next day, 337 00:20:27,020 --> 00:20:28,646 instead of doing the shows, 338 00:20:28,647 --> 00:20:32,400 Franca Sozzani put me on the Concorde to Steven, 339 00:20:34,986 --> 00:20:36,488 who photographed me. 340 00:20:39,491 --> 00:20:41,576 And, like, two weeks later... 341 00:20:42,911 --> 00:20:44,913 I'm on the cover of Italian Vogue. 342 00:20:45,872 --> 00:20:48,582 And then, I was doing all the Vogues. 343 00:20:48,583 --> 00:20:50,125 I was doing British Vogue, 344 00:20:50,126 --> 00:20:52,503 French Vogue, Spanish Vogue, 345 00:20:52,504 --> 00:20:54,089 American Vogue. 346 00:20:55,215 --> 00:20:57,883 And this is, like, the moment I thought I made it, 347 00:20:57,884 --> 00:20:59,718 after three years. 348 00:20:59,719 --> 00:21:03,681 I think that's where I really gained confidence, 349 00:21:03,682 --> 00:21:06,935 and it just kept going from there. 350 00:21:08,353 --> 00:21:11,564 I think when you're a kid, you don't like anything that makes you different, 351 00:21:11,565 --> 00:21:14,817 so having a beauty mark, 352 00:21:14,818 --> 00:21:18,654 which I tried to call it, um... 353 00:21:18,655 --> 00:21:22,241 You know, I didn't like it and my sisters would tease me that 354 00:21:22,242 --> 00:21:23,867 a beauty mark is on this side, 355 00:21:23,868 --> 00:21:25,745 that it's on the left side it's an ugly mark. 356 00:21:28,623 --> 00:21:30,041 Then when I started modeling, 357 00:21:30,667 --> 00:21:32,668 it was always a discussion. 358 00:21:32,669 --> 00:21:34,336 "Like, should we cover it with makeup, 359 00:21:34,337 --> 00:21:36,923 we can't really cover it with makeup 'cause it's not flat." 360 00:21:39,175 --> 00:21:42,970 My first British Vogue cover, they retouched it off. 361 00:21:42,971 --> 00:21:45,264 The jury was still out. 362 00:21:45,265 --> 00:21:46,473 Richard Avedon, 363 00:21:46,474 --> 00:21:50,060 the first time I worked with him was for my first American Vogue cover. 364 00:21:50,061 --> 00:21:53,439 I'm a portrait photographer as well as a photographer of women. 365 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,192 And the clothes are elements that I can use for design, 366 00:21:57,193 --> 00:21:59,612 as are the women, for form, 367 00:21:59,613 --> 00:22:02,573 for a way of expressing... 368 00:22:02,574 --> 00:22:03,825 certain things, I feel. 369 00:22:04,784 --> 00:22:09,079 Avedon is a legend among photographers, 370 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,248 a legend in the history of art, 371 00:22:11,249 --> 00:22:13,460 within the history of photography. 372 00:22:14,461 --> 00:22:16,712 Richard Avedon's work has always been 373 00:22:16,713 --> 00:22:20,799 what continues to resonate. He's the master. 374 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,846 One of the most famous photos in the world of Dovima with the elephants. 375 00:22:25,388 --> 00:22:28,850 You've seen an Avedon before even if you don't recognize it. 376 00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:33,979 With Avedon, it's a very different kind of energy. 377 00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:36,190 It's not like click, click, click. 378 00:22:36,191 --> 00:22:38,735 It's like, "Okay," and... click. 379 00:22:40,904 --> 00:22:43,697 I think he liked that I was a good student of his. 380 00:22:43,698 --> 00:22:45,449 I paid attention. 381 00:22:45,450 --> 00:22:49,120 He taught me how to, like, bring it. 382 00:22:50,497 --> 00:22:52,707 For, like, that spark. 383 00:22:53,667 --> 00:22:56,378 And it ended up that from that shoot, I got two covers. 384 00:22:58,088 --> 00:23:02,132 August, and an October of 1986. 385 00:23:02,133 --> 00:23:05,387 American Vogue left the mole on. 386 00:23:06,096 --> 00:23:08,097 And that was it, it was never a discussion again. 387 00:23:08,098 --> 00:23:10,516 'Cause, it was kind of like, the Vogue seal of approval. 388 00:23:10,517 --> 00:23:13,436 If it's good enough for Vogue, it's good enough for everyone. 389 00:23:21,069 --> 00:23:23,238 Let's talk about the structure of this issue. 390 00:23:24,864 --> 00:23:27,366 When's this issue need to be ready to print? 391 00:23:27,367 --> 00:23:28,493 What's our deadline? 392 00:23:28,910 --> 00:23:31,662 - The end of February. - Perfect. 393 00:23:31,663 --> 00:23:33,956 So, we're gonna to put Kehinde Wiley 394 00:23:33,957 --> 00:23:37,460 'cause he's doing my portrait for the National Portrait Museum this year. 395 00:23:38,253 --> 00:23:40,296 I love this, but I love this picture. 396 00:23:40,297 --> 00:23:43,507 I love it, because we see Christy. You see Kate. 397 00:23:43,508 --> 00:23:45,260 Bridget Hall. 398 00:23:45,927 --> 00:23:47,511 My God, you see everybody 399 00:23:48,431 --> 00:23:50,014 I don't want this one. No. 400 00:23:50,015 --> 00:23:51,891 We've got no models here. 401 00:23:51,892 --> 00:23:54,226 We got big sister Iman, I was gonna say, yeah. 402 00:23:54,227 --> 00:23:56,020 I think Iman and Katoucha. 403 00:23:56,021 --> 00:23:57,021 Yes! 404 00:23:57,022 --> 00:23:58,356 And Farida. 405 00:24:06,907 --> 00:24:09,533 I appreciate the work that Beverly Johnson, Iman, 406 00:24:09,534 --> 00:24:11,827 Naomi Sims, Donyale Luna, 407 00:24:11,828 --> 00:24:14,079 Gail O'Neill, Karen Alexander... 408 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,459 I appreciate the work of the ladies before me. 409 00:24:20,545 --> 00:24:22,046 But I wanted to take it more, 410 00:24:22,047 --> 00:24:24,798 I wanted to go further, I wanted to push the envelope. 411 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:29,638 I wanted what the white model was getting, I wanted it too. 412 00:24:30,388 --> 00:24:32,515 So, in 1987, 413 00:24:33,016 --> 00:24:35,476 I asked for my first Vogue cover. 414 00:24:35,477 --> 00:24:38,812 It's like they don't know how to answer me, they don't know what to say. 415 00:24:38,813 --> 00:24:42,399 And I felt a little awkward, and I felt a little shrunken, 416 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,402 like, I shouldn't have opened my mouth, 417 00:24:45,403 --> 00:24:47,489 I'm not gonna get a yes. 418 00:24:48,073 --> 00:24:49,240 There were so many restrictions 419 00:24:49,241 --> 00:24:52,660 on what it meant to be a black model, and she had to really fight 420 00:24:52,661 --> 00:24:55,956 a system that essentially said you had to be white 421 00:24:56,665 --> 00:24:59,166 to succeed on the runway or in fashion magazines. 422 00:25:01,586 --> 00:25:04,381 So, I was at the time working for Mr. Saint Laurent, 423 00:25:05,465 --> 00:25:06,466 so I told them. 424 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:10,719 Mr. Saint Laurent had always been supporting 425 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,264 the idea that black models are valuable too. 426 00:25:14,349 --> 00:25:17,352 I didn't know what type of power Yves Saint Laurent had. 427 00:25:18,979 --> 00:25:20,313 Bravo! 428 00:25:21,189 --> 00:25:23,483 I didn't know that Yves would say something. 429 00:25:24,776 --> 00:25:27,152 That is one of my best collections. 430 00:25:27,153 --> 00:25:29,530 It was very hard to do, 431 00:25:29,531 --> 00:25:34,785 and when it's hard to do, it's better. 432 00:25:34,786 --> 00:25:37,663 And the next thing I knew, I was in New York 433 00:25:37,664 --> 00:25:39,833 with Patrick Demarchelier. 434 00:25:44,337 --> 00:25:47,506 I had no idea until it came out 435 00:25:47,507 --> 00:25:51,136 that it was the first time a black person had been on the French Vogue cover. 436 00:25:51,887 --> 00:25:54,096 I didn't look at it as breaking a barrier, 437 00:25:54,097 --> 00:25:56,223 I just looked at it as, 438 00:25:56,224 --> 00:25:57,892 "This can't stop here. 439 00:25:57,893 --> 00:26:00,061 This just can't be the one token." 440 00:26:01,062 --> 00:26:03,731 But then I shot my first American Vogue cover, 441 00:26:03,732 --> 00:26:06,984 and I had no idea that it was for September 442 00:26:06,985 --> 00:26:08,361 'cause, you know, I'm still... 443 00:26:09,154 --> 00:26:12,573 What I did learn about the magazines in America was 444 00:26:12,574 --> 00:26:14,992 February was Black month, 445 00:26:14,993 --> 00:26:17,286 and every February on all the magazines 446 00:26:17,287 --> 00:26:18,704 was a Black person. 447 00:26:18,705 --> 00:26:20,748 That I knew. That I got. 448 00:26:20,749 --> 00:26:24,669 But I hadn't realized that March and September were their big selling... 449 00:26:25,670 --> 00:26:27,630 I was just going from job to job 450 00:26:27,631 --> 00:26:29,382 and just living my life. 451 00:26:30,634 --> 00:26:33,427 Once you're on the cover of American Vogue, especially then, 452 00:26:33,428 --> 00:26:35,721 that was it. Like, then we started doing runway shows, 453 00:26:35,722 --> 00:26:37,431 which was a new thing. 454 00:26:37,432 --> 00:26:41,602 Back in the day, you were either a print model 455 00:26:41,603 --> 00:26:43,271 or a runway model. 456 00:26:45,148 --> 00:26:47,858 Fashion shows were like very quiet little affairs 457 00:26:47,859 --> 00:26:51,070 and the only people attending were, you know, fashion executives, 458 00:26:51,071 --> 00:26:54,491 people buying clothes and the fashion press and that was it. 459 00:26:55,951 --> 00:26:58,285 There was a shift when 460 00:26:58,286 --> 00:27:01,373 the print girls started doing runway. 461 00:27:07,546 --> 00:27:09,463 When designers put all the girls on the runway, 462 00:27:09,464 --> 00:27:11,967 it changed the caliber of a fashion show. 463 00:27:16,096 --> 00:27:18,347 Now, the print girls you see in the magazines, 464 00:27:18,348 --> 00:27:19,515 you have them in the shows, 465 00:27:19,516 --> 00:27:22,352 so it's like seeing movie stars in the real. 466 00:27:23,311 --> 00:27:24,979 Everything was exciting! 467 00:27:24,980 --> 00:27:27,231 The girl was exciting on the runway. 468 00:27:27,232 --> 00:27:31,194 They were not walking like asparagus, "Boom, boom, boom, boom," you know? 469 00:27:32,571 --> 00:27:36,532 These models were very strong in the way they strutted out. 470 00:27:36,533 --> 00:27:39,868 They showed their personality. That was the whole point. 471 00:27:39,869 --> 00:27:42,246 Most of the time I just looked straight ahead, 472 00:27:42,247 --> 00:27:45,833 and think about walking straight, and putting a pleasant look on my face 473 00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:48,295 and looking at people who I know, and going... 474 00:27:50,338 --> 00:27:53,507 I remember at one of the Versace fashion shows, 475 00:27:53,508 --> 00:27:57,469 three photographers came backstage and they said, "Could we speak to you?" 476 00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:59,305 And I thought I was in trouble. 477 00:27:59,306 --> 00:28:01,599 And they showed me pictures of me, 478 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,270 and my eyes are down in all the pictures, 479 00:28:05,937 --> 00:28:10,232 because I'm looking at the front row, and at my colleagues, my friends. 480 00:28:10,233 --> 00:28:14,528 And they said, "Can you please look at us 481 00:28:14,529 --> 00:28:16,739 when you get to the end of the runway?" 482 00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:20,410 And I said, "I'm so sorry, of course." 483 00:28:23,163 --> 00:28:25,498 So, when I looked up... 484 00:28:27,167 --> 00:28:28,667 I was like, "Whoa!" 485 00:28:29,587 --> 00:28:33,298 I couldn't believe how many photographers were there. I had no idea. 486 00:28:36,927 --> 00:28:39,470 The backstage vibe is very intense. 487 00:28:39,471 --> 00:28:40,971 But we loved it that way. 488 00:28:40,972 --> 00:28:44,517 We loved being hectic and the adrenaline. 489 00:28:45,644 --> 00:28:47,354 Girls, standby on this side of the stage. 490 00:28:48,897 --> 00:28:51,482 We all think, "Wow, I'm the only imposter here," 491 00:28:51,483 --> 00:28:54,860 like, I can pretend, "Yes, I, I'll have that wine," 492 00:28:54,861 --> 00:28:57,571 or "Hermès, I love Hermès." 493 00:28:57,572 --> 00:29:01,909 I didn't even know what Hermes was or whatever when I was a kid, right? 494 00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:04,913 But you quickly learn to fit in and adapt. 495 00:29:06,790 --> 00:29:09,667 Cindy was definitely the more serious, 496 00:29:09,668 --> 00:29:13,087 but we knew how to get her to loosen and have fun. 497 00:29:13,088 --> 00:29:14,089 Tequila. 498 00:29:19,386 --> 00:29:21,971 The thing you have to love about these women 499 00:29:21,972 --> 00:29:27,560 is that they didn't do this, kind of, fake bullshit, 500 00:29:27,561 --> 00:29:30,397 kind of, walk, you know? They just had fun. 501 00:29:33,984 --> 00:29:35,359 Nobody walked like Naomi. 502 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,071 She had a walk that basically said, "Get the fuck out of my way, 503 00:29:39,072 --> 00:29:42,158 'cause I'm owning wherever I'm going." 504 00:29:44,494 --> 00:29:46,579 I remember one show, my mother, 505 00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:50,207 who is, like, the straightest, sort of, middle-aged woman. 506 00:29:50,208 --> 00:29:52,710 At this point, she was probably in her mid-sixties. 507 00:29:52,711 --> 00:29:54,295 After the show, she came up to me, she said, 508 00:29:54,296 --> 00:29:57,214 "Darling, I would have sex with Naomi Campbell." 509 00:29:59,134 --> 00:30:00,594 The glory days! 510 00:30:01,261 --> 00:30:04,806 But, remember, in those glory days... 511 00:30:05,765 --> 00:30:07,600 it wasn't perfect. 512 00:30:07,601 --> 00:30:08,935 Because... 513 00:30:10,812 --> 00:30:14,024 Because Naomi wasn't always booked to do the shows. 514 00:30:16,568 --> 00:30:18,653 See, I didn't understand. 515 00:30:19,446 --> 00:30:23,033 Naomi, I thought was more beautiful, 516 00:30:23,617 --> 00:30:27,745 had a much more rockin' body than I did. 517 00:30:27,746 --> 00:30:30,206 And a better strut. 518 00:30:30,832 --> 00:30:33,877 And I'm, like, "Why aren't they booking her?" 519 00:30:36,338 --> 00:30:39,925 When Naomi came, designers were still, you know... 520 00:30:40,884 --> 00:30:43,553 "We only have one Black girl this season." It was that time. 521 00:30:44,804 --> 00:30:46,764 "Black girls can only do shows in the summer. 522 00:30:46,765 --> 00:30:49,683 Black girls can only wear the bright-colored clothes." 523 00:30:49,684 --> 00:30:52,771 I said to them, "If you don't book her, you don't get me." 524 00:30:54,814 --> 00:30:58,192 Linda and Christy absolutely put themselves on the line. 525 00:30:58,193 --> 00:31:01,195 They stood by me, and they supported me. 526 00:31:01,196 --> 00:31:02,948 And that's what kept me going. 527 00:31:06,243 --> 00:31:09,620 I would do all these great shows, wear all these beautiful dresses, 528 00:31:09,621 --> 00:31:11,622 but then it would come time for the advertising, 529 00:31:11,623 --> 00:31:13,666 and I would not be included. 530 00:31:13,667 --> 00:31:16,086 And that used to really hurt me. 531 00:31:16,753 --> 00:31:21,799 And then sometimes, I was booked just to appease me 532 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,094 or to make me think, "Okay, we're gonna use her." 533 00:31:25,095 --> 00:31:27,429 Then I'd go to the shoot and sit there 534 00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:29,975 from nine till six all day and not be used. 535 00:31:31,309 --> 00:31:33,311 It made me more determined than ever. 536 00:31:33,979 --> 00:31:37,816 Not to ever be treated that way, not to ever be put in that position again. 537 00:31:45,657 --> 00:31:48,117 Can we hold a wall that Christy can lean against? 538 00:31:48,118 --> 00:31:52,121 - Um, yeah, totally. Black or white? - White. 539 00:31:52,122 --> 00:31:54,373 We also have to do a Calvin Klein. 540 00:31:54,374 --> 00:31:57,626 With the cube, you mean? It could just be the corner, maybe. 541 00:31:57,627 --> 00:31:59,253 - Yeah, or just like... - So she can lean... 542 00:31:59,254 --> 00:32:01,464 Leaning. Yeah, I feel like... 543 00:32:05,011 --> 00:32:07,261 Christy, can we try profile a little? 544 00:32:07,262 --> 00:32:10,723 Like... Yeah, beautiful. Calvin Klein vibe. 545 00:32:10,724 --> 00:32:12,809 Very Calvin Klein. Classic. 546 00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:17,272 I worked for Calvin Klein for 33 years. 547 00:32:20,233 --> 00:32:23,569 I was probably 17 or so when I first met Calvin Klein 548 00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:26,990 and met the brand, doing fashion shows and things. 549 00:32:29,284 --> 00:32:34,079 You know, it stood out for me, I think even as a younger teenager, um, 550 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,539 all the ads. 551 00:32:35,540 --> 00:32:38,667 I knew Calvin Klein jeans and I knew Calvin Klein fragrances. 552 00:32:38,668 --> 00:32:40,962 Obsession was a big deal. 553 00:32:42,464 --> 00:32:44,465 What you want to do is create excitement, 554 00:32:44,466 --> 00:32:47,259 you want people to notice your ads, 555 00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:49,303 your print ads, or your commercials. 556 00:32:49,304 --> 00:32:52,473 In the kingdom of passion the ruler is obsession. 557 00:32:52,474 --> 00:32:54,016 Calvin Klein's Obsession. 558 00:32:54,017 --> 00:32:55,517 The smell of it. 559 00:32:55,518 --> 00:32:57,436 "The smell of it." 560 00:32:57,437 --> 00:32:59,730 Now, when you hear, "Well, the smell of it," 561 00:32:59,731 --> 00:33:02,942 your mind goes right to a very specific place. 562 00:33:02,943 --> 00:33:07,655 I have an effect on society. 563 00:33:07,656 --> 00:33:09,990 I mean, I can change attitudes. 564 00:33:09,991 --> 00:33:13,744 I can make people feel a certain way. 565 00:33:13,745 --> 00:33:18,791 He understood how to use the tools at the time, 566 00:33:18,792 --> 00:33:22,795 You know, like, the billboards, the magazines, 567 00:33:22,796 --> 00:33:28,133 to push his image in a very clean 568 00:33:28,134 --> 00:33:29,970 but controversial way. 569 00:33:31,221 --> 00:33:33,723 You wanna know what comes between me and my Calvins? 570 00:33:34,182 --> 00:33:35,182 Nothing. 571 00:33:36,142 --> 00:33:41,063 He always wanted everything to be super erotic and sexy, 572 00:33:41,064 --> 00:33:43,650 and everybody sleeping with everybody. 573 00:33:45,277 --> 00:33:47,236 And then there was AIDS. 574 00:33:47,237 --> 00:33:50,322 And they just wanted to chill 575 00:33:50,323 --> 00:33:53,076 and they wanted to calm everything down. 576 00:33:53,994 --> 00:33:58,956 So, he had this perfume called Eternity. 577 00:33:58,957 --> 00:34:00,958 Which was about family. 578 00:34:00,959 --> 00:34:05,922 And he signed up Christy as the face of Eternity. 579 00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:10,009 I have so many memories from that first Eternity campaign 580 00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:11,469 in Martha's Vineyard. 581 00:34:13,221 --> 00:34:16,806 The photos were shot by Bruce Weber. 582 00:34:16,807 --> 00:34:20,060 It was really bonding and super fun. 583 00:34:20,061 --> 00:34:21,979 The sun's setting, the light's really beautiful. 584 00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:25,190 Look at these girls' pictures, they have that desire. 585 00:34:25,191 --> 00:34:27,903 The desire to stand alone and be somebody. 586 00:34:28,737 --> 00:34:29,653 Bruce Weber, 587 00:34:29,654 --> 00:34:33,407 he really changed photography and fashion through his cameras. 588 00:34:34,075 --> 00:34:38,370 He changed girls from that much more heavy makeup 589 00:34:38,371 --> 00:34:41,081 to the more natural girl 590 00:34:41,082 --> 00:34:44,336 that was healthy and just glowed. 591 00:34:45,211 --> 00:34:48,756 I made close to a million dollars a year on that contract. 592 00:34:48,757 --> 00:34:53,427 I remember signing it, for some reason, at night at some law office 593 00:34:53,428 --> 00:34:55,136 with my agents. 594 00:34:55,137 --> 00:34:57,348 I didn't have my own lawyer. 595 00:34:57,349 --> 00:35:00,184 I only had to work, like, a hundred days a year, 596 00:35:00,185 --> 00:35:02,144 which is not a lot of work, really, 597 00:35:02,145 --> 00:35:04,355 and, of course, I couldn't work for anybody else, 598 00:35:04,356 --> 00:35:07,024 and I couldn't... Not even editorials. 599 00:35:07,025 --> 00:35:10,778 But the Eternity campaign had a certain kind of visibility 600 00:35:10,779 --> 00:35:13,697 and so representing Calvin Klein 601 00:35:13,698 --> 00:35:18,328 felt very much like the pinnacle of what was happening at that time. 602 00:35:19,746 --> 00:35:21,998 Eternity, Calvin Klein. 603 00:35:24,459 --> 00:35:26,503 Revlon new complexion make-up. Cindy... 604 00:35:33,885 --> 00:35:35,135 As a model, 605 00:35:35,136 --> 00:35:37,973 a cosmetic contract is the golden ticket. 606 00:35:39,099 --> 00:35:40,975 It's, like, job security all of a sudden. 607 00:35:40,976 --> 00:35:42,184 You're not waiting for like, 608 00:35:42,185 --> 00:35:45,272 "I might get that campaign, I might not." 609 00:35:46,731 --> 00:35:49,108 Please welcome, the lovely Cindy Crawford. 610 00:35:50,944 --> 00:35:53,822 Hi, how are ya? Nice to see you. Thanks for being here. 611 00:35:58,451 --> 00:36:01,287 She has just now been named the spokesmodel for Revlon. 612 00:36:01,288 --> 00:36:03,122 What does that mean? Free lipstick? 613 00:36:04,541 --> 00:36:07,877 Yeah. And that, that and hopefully more freedom. 614 00:36:07,878 --> 00:36:09,378 More freedom to do? 615 00:36:09,379 --> 00:36:11,006 Anything I want. 616 00:36:11,882 --> 00:36:14,800 Things were really happening, I was doing the right campaigns. 617 00:36:14,801 --> 00:36:16,969 Flex your hair and show off your body. 618 00:36:18,763 --> 00:36:21,515 And then all of a sudden, in '88, 619 00:36:21,516 --> 00:36:24,518 I was asked to do Playboy. 620 00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:28,607 Everyone in my life at the time thought I shouldn't do Playboy. 621 00:36:29,232 --> 00:36:32,151 My modeling agency didn't feel that that fit into, 622 00:36:32,152 --> 00:36:34,404 you know, the type of jobs I should be doing. 623 00:36:35,989 --> 00:36:38,282 I think the brand still had a connotation to it 624 00:36:38,283 --> 00:36:41,077 that maybe scared some people off. 625 00:36:41,745 --> 00:36:46,333 I understood the platform of Playboy and what that symbolized. 626 00:36:48,168 --> 00:36:52,296 It was definitely outside the normal trajectory 627 00:36:52,297 --> 00:36:55,674 for a Vogue model at the time. 628 00:36:55,675 --> 00:36:59,929 The offer came through Herb Ritts, a photographer. 629 00:36:59,930 --> 00:37:02,723 Herb Ritts was someone that I worked with a lot, 630 00:37:02,724 --> 00:37:07,186 and I stayed at his house and we were very good friends. 631 00:37:07,187 --> 00:37:09,480 Part of what I do that's very important 632 00:37:09,481 --> 00:37:13,984 is being able to suss something out, to be a diplomat of sorts. 633 00:37:13,985 --> 00:37:16,195 So, you really have to be one-on-one with someone 634 00:37:16,196 --> 00:37:20,074 and realize what they're about and try to get what you want. 635 00:37:20,075 --> 00:37:22,993 I don't know. There was just something about it that intrigued me, 636 00:37:22,994 --> 00:37:27,122 so against the advice of my agents, I said yes. 637 00:37:27,123 --> 00:37:30,459 But I said, "You don't need to pay me a lot of money 638 00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:32,628 as long as I can have the control of the images." 639 00:37:32,629 --> 00:37:36,174 And I wanted the right to kill the story if I don't like it. 640 00:37:36,716 --> 00:37:39,510 Herb and I combined it with another trip that we were doing 641 00:37:39,511 --> 00:37:41,555 for French Vogue to Hawaii. 642 00:37:42,013 --> 00:37:43,806 We would shoot a picture for French Vogue, 643 00:37:43,807 --> 00:37:45,600 and we would shoot a picture for Playboy. 644 00:37:46,726 --> 00:37:49,604 I mean, you almost couldn't tell which pictures were for French Vogue... 645 00:37:50,313 --> 00:37:51,730 and which pictures were for Playboy. 646 00:37:51,731 --> 00:37:55,651 It was very organic, and... 647 00:37:55,652 --> 00:37:56,903 I loved them. 648 00:37:58,488 --> 00:38:00,114 That's the whole thing for me is 649 00:38:00,115 --> 00:38:03,867 even if I make choices that other people disagree with or don't like, 650 00:38:03,868 --> 00:38:06,787 if they're my decisions and I have control of it, 651 00:38:06,788 --> 00:38:09,833 that's empowering to me, even if it's doing Playboy. 652 00:38:11,585 --> 00:38:14,087 I never felt like a victim of that decision. 653 00:38:26,016 --> 00:38:29,227 I don't feel like when I'm nude, that I'm nude. 654 00:38:31,062 --> 00:38:33,856 It really depends who I'm shooting for. 655 00:38:33,857 --> 00:38:37,026 I could feel totally clothed, 656 00:38:37,027 --> 00:38:39,236 it's the concept and the way 657 00:38:39,237 --> 00:38:42,324 when it's tastefully done you don't feel like you're nude. 658 00:38:49,664 --> 00:38:50,831 Might have made people think, 659 00:38:50,832 --> 00:38:52,708 "She really feels comfortable in her skin." 660 00:38:52,709 --> 00:38:55,128 Not necessarily, I didn't. 661 00:38:58,548 --> 00:39:01,634 Just because I was not thinking of me, 662 00:39:01,635 --> 00:39:03,427 Naomi, showing myself, 663 00:39:03,428 --> 00:39:06,932 I felt like I was in some other character. 664 00:39:07,474 --> 00:39:09,976 So, I didn't necessarily feel like I was... 665 00:39:10,685 --> 00:39:13,563 I felt dressed, if you can believe that. 666 00:39:22,572 --> 00:39:25,741 I respect and admire people who can be comfortable in their bodies 667 00:39:25,742 --> 00:39:27,535 and comfortable naked. 668 00:39:28,411 --> 00:39:30,955 If I'm working with somebody that I trust, 669 00:39:30,956 --> 00:39:35,126 and that I have respect for, and I understand their vision, 670 00:39:36,711 --> 00:39:38,672 then I can take some risks. 671 00:39:40,048 --> 00:39:42,925 If I can trust that person capturing it, 672 00:39:42,926 --> 00:39:44,385 and I know what they see 673 00:39:44,386 --> 00:39:48,639 and I know that my comfort is gonna make that image 674 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,059 that much more exciting, interesting, whatever, 675 00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:54,229 then I can, kind of, go there. 676 00:39:56,106 --> 00:39:59,817 But if that trust isn't there and there's this sense of well, you know, 677 00:39:59,818 --> 00:40:02,570 like, "Go!" "Do it! 678 00:40:02,571 --> 00:40:04,738 You do your thing, I'm gonna capture it." 679 00:40:04,739 --> 00:40:05,990 I can't do that, 680 00:40:05,991 --> 00:40:10,411 like I can't, I can't just, like, do all my... the things. 681 00:40:10,412 --> 00:40:13,582 That takes time and trust, like, for any camera. 682 00:40:17,168 --> 00:40:20,297 Herb had the... 683 00:40:21,006 --> 00:40:25,551 I just never once felt even remotely uncomfortable in front of his camera. 684 00:40:25,552 --> 00:40:27,679 There we go, and yeah, there we go, that's it. 685 00:40:32,017 --> 00:40:34,852 The thing I love about this, it's not about fashion. 686 00:40:34,853 --> 00:40:37,980 Obviously, they're nude, but they were great friends 687 00:40:37,981 --> 00:40:39,982 and all of a sudden, to just put them together 688 00:40:39,983 --> 00:40:41,901 and have them knowing each other. 689 00:40:41,902 --> 00:40:45,447 There's a great heart that comes when I look at that picture. 690 00:40:45,906 --> 00:40:47,740 It's not overtly sexual at all. 691 00:40:47,741 --> 00:40:50,452 There's a true soulfulness coming from these girls. 692 00:40:51,161 --> 00:40:54,372 You can feel their eyes. It's really about their eyes and their looks. 693 00:40:55,707 --> 00:40:59,418 It's such a Herb picture because we were naked but we weren't being sexy. 694 00:40:59,419 --> 00:41:04,591 There was, like, a simplicity to being, you know, without clothes. 695 00:41:06,092 --> 00:41:08,761 But we shot it with and without Christy 696 00:41:08,762 --> 00:41:12,724 because Christy couldn't be in the Rolling Stone edition at the time. 697 00:41:13,767 --> 00:41:16,727 I was working with Calvin and I couldn't do anything with anybody else, 698 00:41:16,728 --> 00:41:19,689 so when Herb was like, "Just get in for a couple of shots," 699 00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:25,402 I realized that the desirability of having a model in a campaign 700 00:41:25,403 --> 00:41:27,947 was because of all the things that you're seeing out there 701 00:41:27,948 --> 00:41:31,367 and seeing somebody do interesting, more edgy kinds of things. 702 00:41:31,368 --> 00:41:33,662 And then to kind of cut all that off, 703 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,623 I don't know, it just, kind of, wasn't that exciting anymore. 704 00:41:44,548 --> 00:41:46,383 All right. 705 00:41:50,303 --> 00:41:53,138 - It is so long, Mom. - I know. 706 00:41:53,139 --> 00:41:55,379 I had to come all the way from New York to cut your hair? 707 00:41:55,809 --> 00:41:59,103 It's a little tricky with the mask, I gotta say, working around your ear. 708 00:41:59,104 --> 00:42:01,647 I know. How short are you going? 709 00:42:03,358 --> 00:42:06,235 I was telling my friends this morning at coffee, 710 00:42:06,236 --> 00:42:09,071 and I said, "Yeah, she cuts hair." I said, "Yes! 711 00:42:09,072 --> 00:42:11,448 She used to cut even Oribe's hair." 712 00:42:11,449 --> 00:42:12,825 That's my claim to fame. 713 00:42:12,826 --> 00:42:14,660 I know, and he let you. 714 00:42:14,661 --> 00:42:17,038 A hairdresser. 715 00:42:19,165 --> 00:42:21,542 Maybe you should, um, do your hair short again. 716 00:42:21,543 --> 00:42:23,210 I think about it sometimes. 717 00:42:23,211 --> 00:42:25,254 And then I'm like, it just takes so long to grow. 718 00:42:25,255 --> 00:42:28,215 - I liked it. I thought it was good. - I do think about it sometimes. 719 00:42:28,216 --> 00:42:30,635 Like, "That was a haircut." 720 00:42:35,974 --> 00:42:37,558 Christy, look this way, please. Beautiful. 721 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:38,768 I realized that... 722 00:42:39,644 --> 00:42:43,188 I really hadn't been happy with the Calvin Klein contract. 723 00:42:43,189 --> 00:42:45,107 It wasn't like a bad deal per se, 724 00:42:45,108 --> 00:42:49,236 but I hadn't really gotten to a place of feeling burnt out or tired or anything. 725 00:42:49,237 --> 00:42:50,614 I was, like, ready to go. 726 00:42:51,114 --> 00:42:53,825 So, I sort of re-negotiated my deal with Calvin... 727 00:42:54,701 --> 00:42:55,911 by cutting my hair. 728 00:42:56,912 --> 00:42:58,954 When we were cutting it, my friend Oribe cut it, 729 00:42:58,955 --> 00:43:01,498 we were laughing and saying, "I'm gonna get in so much trouble," 730 00:43:01,499 --> 00:43:03,659 but I didn't really think I was gonna get into trouble. 731 00:43:04,211 --> 00:43:06,754 But it definitely was not received well. 732 00:43:06,755 --> 00:43:08,797 I think Calvin was really mad, 733 00:43:08,798 --> 00:43:13,344 because when you have a contract, you have to continue that look. 734 00:43:13,345 --> 00:43:16,473 So, to suddenly cut your hair off in the middle... 735 00:43:17,140 --> 00:43:19,517 was kind of a disaster. 736 00:43:20,018 --> 00:43:21,143 When I re-negotiated... 737 00:43:21,144 --> 00:43:23,021 - I know, it's hard. It's hard. - It's also... 738 00:43:23,688 --> 00:43:25,981 ...I still was able to stay close to Calvin 739 00:43:25,982 --> 00:43:30,236 and continue to work for Eternity and actually opened his show 740 00:43:30,237 --> 00:43:33,240 the next season with my new haircut. 741 00:43:34,449 --> 00:43:38,035 It was sort of the end of an era of those kinds of contracts 742 00:43:38,036 --> 00:43:40,121 because they just didn't make sense. 743 00:43:41,331 --> 00:43:44,917 Agencies have power, 744 00:43:44,918 --> 00:43:47,461 and yet they behave like they don't have power. 745 00:43:47,462 --> 00:43:49,339 They're supposed to be working for you. 746 00:43:50,715 --> 00:43:53,467 Let's... I mean, like, let's be real, this is not about personalities 747 00:43:53,468 --> 00:43:55,970 and, like, chemistry or, like, we're really a family. 748 00:43:55,971 --> 00:43:58,180 This is, like, this is a business for you all, 749 00:43:58,181 --> 00:44:01,101 and I never signed another contract with any other agency since. 750 00:44:07,482 --> 00:44:09,858 This is Style and I'm Elsa Klensch 751 00:44:09,859 --> 00:44:12,821 reporting on the design worlds of fashion, beauty, and decorating. 752 00:44:13,989 --> 00:44:18,033 In the late 80s, there was an explosion of new media. 753 00:44:18,034 --> 00:44:20,035 All of a sudden, there was cable television 754 00:44:20,036 --> 00:44:21,287 and they needed more content. 755 00:44:21,288 --> 00:44:25,332 We start with a story that's been hot since the spring fashion shows... 756 00:44:25,333 --> 00:44:28,044 There was this new, kind of, interest in fashion that was brewing. 757 00:44:28,712 --> 00:44:30,796 Elsa Klensch was the first to look at style 758 00:44:30,797 --> 00:44:33,632 as a true fashion insider. 759 00:44:33,633 --> 00:44:36,094 Calvin Klein experimented with silhouettes. 760 00:44:36,887 --> 00:44:39,890 It's all close to the body, they're very body-conscious clothes. 761 00:44:40,974 --> 00:44:43,100 And that started changing everything. 762 00:44:43,101 --> 00:44:44,935 People think of models, you know what the image of models is. 763 00:44:44,936 --> 00:44:46,520 But obviously you must be bright if you're, you know... 764 00:44:46,521 --> 00:44:48,856 What is the image of models? I'd like to know. 765 00:44:48,857 --> 00:44:54,320 You mean, that we have, like, single digit IQs and stuff like that? 766 00:44:54,321 --> 00:44:55,779 - I'm not saying that to you. - No, but I mean... 767 00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:59,867 Before cable, large parts of America were really culture starved. 768 00:44:59,868 --> 00:45:02,578 In a way, cable took what was going on 769 00:45:02,579 --> 00:45:04,622 with that vibrant culture in New York City 770 00:45:04,623 --> 00:45:06,957 and pushed it out by satellite 771 00:45:06,958 --> 00:45:08,209 all over the country. 772 00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:13,005 When we started MTV in the early 80s, 773 00:45:13,006 --> 00:45:14,423 it was not only to play the hits, 774 00:45:14,424 --> 00:45:17,259 it also exposed people to all sorts of new things 775 00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:18,887 in the popular culture. 776 00:45:19,721 --> 00:45:22,389 So, we said, "Let's do some more stuff on what's sort of coming up 777 00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:23,849 as fashion from the streets. 778 00:45:23,850 --> 00:45:26,227 Let's try for a new face, a new host. 779 00:45:26,228 --> 00:45:29,940 MTV spokesperson for fashion." 780 00:45:30,857 --> 00:45:34,026 Fashion still was primarily female, 781 00:45:34,027 --> 00:45:37,905 and then all of a sudden, Playboy was, like, primarily guys, 782 00:45:37,906 --> 00:45:39,156 it was a very different thing. 783 00:45:39,157 --> 00:45:42,201 I, like, doubled my audience by doing that. 784 00:45:42,202 --> 00:45:47,081 And those two things together led to MTV. 785 00:45:47,082 --> 00:45:49,792 They wanted someone like a model or someone from fashion, 786 00:45:49,793 --> 00:45:53,254 but they also wanted someone that had male fans. 787 00:45:53,255 --> 00:45:57,341 That was like a 30 second pitch meeting. "Let's do it. 788 00:45:57,342 --> 00:45:59,302 Can we get one on next week?" 789 00:46:00,887 --> 00:46:03,598 Welcome to House of Style, I'm Cindy Crawford. 790 00:46:04,266 --> 00:46:06,684 It's like my first big piece for MTV, right? I'm here by myself. 791 00:46:06,685 --> 00:46:08,811 I had no training in broadcasting. 792 00:46:08,812 --> 00:46:11,146 I'm gonna show, like, the whole look. So, you walk down the runway, 793 00:46:11,147 --> 00:46:12,731 take the coat off. 794 00:46:12,732 --> 00:46:15,568 It was bringing together music and fashion 795 00:46:15,569 --> 00:46:18,112 and pop culture 796 00:46:18,113 --> 00:46:21,824 and, like, putting it into, like, a mixing bowl. 797 00:46:21,825 --> 00:46:23,425 And we didn't really care what came out. 798 00:46:24,828 --> 00:46:26,036 Hi, I'm Cindy Crawford. 799 00:46:26,037 --> 00:46:29,164 Welcome to House of Style, coming to you this time from Paris. 800 00:46:29,165 --> 00:46:31,208 She would mine and create episodes 801 00:46:31,209 --> 00:46:32,793 and bring in her friends and acquaintances, 802 00:46:32,794 --> 00:46:34,295 people she knew from the business. 803 00:46:34,296 --> 00:46:36,422 We don't like wearing clothes. No, that's a joke. 804 00:46:36,423 --> 00:46:37,423 Naomi, behave yourself. 805 00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:40,217 She began to incorporate designers. 806 00:46:40,218 --> 00:46:41,802 The length is a little bit long. 807 00:46:41,803 --> 00:46:44,221 We definitely took the pads out of the boob, too. 808 00:46:44,222 --> 00:46:47,182 I'm one of the old models that has boobs. 809 00:46:47,183 --> 00:46:49,643 It gave me an opportunity to talk 810 00:46:49,644 --> 00:46:53,898 and I was able to bring a little bit more of myself 811 00:46:53,899 --> 00:46:55,566 to my public persona. 812 00:46:55,567 --> 00:46:57,318 It shows your little beauty mark. 813 00:46:57,319 --> 00:47:00,029 That all felt very empowering to me. 814 00:47:00,030 --> 00:47:02,698 That about wraps it up for this edition of House of Style. 815 00:47:02,699 --> 00:47:05,326 I'm Cindy Crawford and I'll see you again real soon. 816 00:47:05,327 --> 00:47:06,327 Bye. 817 00:47:07,746 --> 00:47:09,663 British Vogue wanted Peter Lindbergh 818 00:47:09,664 --> 00:47:12,374 to shoot a cover to represent 819 00:47:12,375 --> 00:47:15,461 the new idea of beauty for the '90s. 820 00:47:15,462 --> 00:47:19,007 And Peter said, "I can't do it with just one woman." 821 00:47:19,925 --> 00:47:25,096 He reached out to me and to Cindy, Naomi, Linda and Tatjana. 822 00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:30,643 We all worked together in various combinations a lot at that time, 823 00:47:30,644 --> 00:47:34,439 so we all came just in our jeans and I remember being in Tribeca. 824 00:47:36,691 --> 00:47:39,276 Peter always gets super excited when he shot and, like, 825 00:47:39,277 --> 00:47:41,947 you know, "I'm so excited, so excited." 826 00:47:42,572 --> 00:47:45,115 And I was also just out of my Calvin contract too. 827 00:47:45,116 --> 00:47:47,952 So, just to be together as a group, 828 00:47:47,953 --> 00:47:50,205 it just was so fun. 829 00:47:53,333 --> 00:47:54,626 It wasn't about the fashion. 830 00:47:55,835 --> 00:47:57,879 It wasn't about the hair and the makeup. 831 00:48:00,674 --> 00:48:01,925 It was about the women. 832 00:48:10,267 --> 00:48:11,433 Welcome back to The Week in Rock. 833 00:48:11,434 --> 00:48:14,228 George Michael has a new video just out for "Freedom! '90", 834 00:48:14,229 --> 00:48:17,815 the second single off his latest album Listen Without Prejudice Volume One. 835 00:48:17,816 --> 00:48:21,402 Once again, Michael himself has declined to actually appear in the clip. 836 00:48:21,403 --> 00:48:24,863 Instead, he's delegated a flock of Elite and Ford agency fashion models 837 00:48:24,864 --> 00:48:26,615 to do his lip syncing for him. 838 00:48:26,616 --> 00:48:28,325 I made decisions a couple years ago 839 00:48:28,326 --> 00:48:31,871 to change the way my career was going and my life was going... 840 00:48:32,289 --> 00:48:35,040 by not appearing in videos. 841 00:48:35,041 --> 00:48:36,625 By not being interviewed. 842 00:48:36,626 --> 00:48:37,751 By not doing press. 843 00:48:37,752 --> 00:48:41,339 Basically, letting my music, kind of, do what it's gonna do. 844 00:48:42,090 --> 00:48:45,634 We get this phone call that George Michael wants to shoot us in... 845 00:48:45,635 --> 00:48:47,094 Wants us in his video. 846 00:48:47,095 --> 00:48:49,138 George was like, "It has to be this group of women." 847 00:48:49,139 --> 00:48:50,139 It had to be all of us. 848 00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:51,599 So, we go talk. 849 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,280 "Are you doing this?" "Are you doing this?" 850 00:48:53,435 --> 00:48:56,103 I wasn't interested initially at all, 851 00:48:56,104 --> 00:48:59,148 because it wasn't fashion. 852 00:48:59,149 --> 00:49:02,319 And at some point, we made a decision, like, a group decision. 853 00:49:02,777 --> 00:49:04,945 I said, "I will do it." 854 00:49:04,946 --> 00:49:07,106 - "I'm gonna do it!" - I said, "Yes, okay, I'll do it." 855 00:49:07,532 --> 00:49:09,159 So, who's gonna tell George? 856 00:49:11,369 --> 00:49:14,121 Basically, I'm in a nightclub in LA. 857 00:49:14,122 --> 00:49:16,666 Roxbury's, actually, on Sunset. 858 00:49:17,292 --> 00:49:20,920 And George is there. And he comes up to me and he says, 859 00:49:20,921 --> 00:49:22,880 "So, what is it that you guys want?" 860 00:49:22,881 --> 00:49:27,260 I said, "We want this much money and round trip Concorde tickets!" 861 00:49:28,511 --> 00:49:30,680 He goes, "And that's it?" I said, "That's it." 862 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,019 When George pitched me his idea, 863 00:49:36,686 --> 00:49:39,563 he said, "What do you think about doing the entire video 864 00:49:39,564 --> 00:49:43,567 with just amazing looking women lip syncing?" 865 00:49:43,568 --> 00:49:44,944 So that he didn't have to. 866 00:49:44,945 --> 00:49:47,238 And I said... 867 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,698 "Knock me over with a feather and throw a sheet over me, 868 00:49:49,699 --> 00:49:51,533 that sounds like a great idea." 869 00:49:58,917 --> 00:50:00,117 When I got to the set, 870 00:50:01,503 --> 00:50:03,295 and they wanted me to lip sync, 871 00:50:03,296 --> 00:50:05,882 I didn't know the words. 872 00:50:06,967 --> 00:50:10,553 I had to learn them very quickly in the trailer 873 00:50:10,554 --> 00:50:12,721 while they were doing my hair and makeup. 874 00:50:21,189 --> 00:50:23,107 I just remember it being super dark 875 00:50:23,108 --> 00:50:26,319 and someone explaining to me that I was gonna be in a bathtub. 876 00:50:28,446 --> 00:50:29,990 I was like, "Really?" 877 00:50:30,574 --> 00:50:32,784 I felt like everyone else had a better part than me. 878 00:50:40,542 --> 00:50:42,793 These girls knew how to position their faces. 879 00:50:42,794 --> 00:50:44,295 They could find their light 880 00:50:44,296 --> 00:50:46,255 and when we gave them a character, 881 00:50:46,256 --> 00:50:47,923 they brought something to it. 882 00:50:50,802 --> 00:50:51,970 They sucked you in. 883 00:50:54,723 --> 00:50:56,640 My very first scene that I shot was 884 00:50:56,641 --> 00:50:59,811 where you just see my eyes through, like, this cutout. 885 00:51:00,770 --> 00:51:03,147 You see my mouth, then you see my eyes, you see my mouth, you see my eyes. 886 00:51:03,148 --> 00:51:05,608 And anytime I dip down it's because I don't know the words yet. 887 00:51:05,609 --> 00:51:08,361 I'm not that great with lyrics. 888 00:51:10,864 --> 00:51:13,157 We were not knowing the impact 889 00:51:13,158 --> 00:51:15,535 that that video had at all. 890 00:51:16,953 --> 00:51:19,288 We didn't have time to know because, honestly, 891 00:51:19,289 --> 00:51:21,666 we were just jumping from next country to the next country. 892 00:51:23,418 --> 00:51:25,298 "Freedom" had just come out. 893 00:51:26,671 --> 00:51:28,631 I was talking to Gianni and said, 894 00:51:28,632 --> 00:51:30,424 "Why don't you get the girls?" 895 00:51:30,425 --> 00:51:32,761 "The gorgeous girls on the runway?" 896 00:51:33,970 --> 00:51:36,847 We got there, saw our clothes, did our rehearsal. 897 00:51:36,848 --> 00:51:37,932 And then the song came on. 898 00:51:37,933 --> 00:51:41,143 And then it was like, "I get what you're doing." 899 00:51:47,025 --> 00:51:49,443 You just can't imagine the excitement, 900 00:51:49,444 --> 00:51:51,487 the energy, the sort of, madness 901 00:51:51,488 --> 00:51:53,198 of when Gianni Versace 902 00:51:53,865 --> 00:51:55,950 had all the supermodels together. 903 00:51:55,951 --> 00:51:58,035 I mean, he really caught that moment. 904 00:52:03,041 --> 00:52:05,292 Each one of them had this strong personality 905 00:52:05,293 --> 00:52:07,087 and they're not afraid to show it. 906 00:52:07,796 --> 00:52:11,049 The combination of fashion and their personality was magic. 907 00:52:13,468 --> 00:52:14,718 It was a moment. 908 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,512 It was the moment of Gianni Versace 909 00:52:16,513 --> 00:52:19,682 and the way he wanted to produce sexy women 910 00:52:19,683 --> 00:52:21,142 who were also strong women. 911 00:52:24,604 --> 00:52:27,314 This incredible song, this incredible designer, 912 00:52:27,315 --> 00:52:29,233 the moment of the women singing the song. 913 00:52:29,234 --> 00:52:30,901 It was just like it all came together. 914 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,364 We could feel that moment. 915 00:52:35,365 --> 00:52:37,992 That is a moment that you kind of knew would be iconic, actually. 916 00:52:43,957 --> 00:52:47,168 Was like, "Okay, that's what a supermodel is." 917 00:52:49,504 --> 00:52:52,631 I didn't imagine that it was going to 918 00:52:52,632 --> 00:52:56,219 catapult us to another level. 919 00:52:57,762 --> 00:53:01,516 They were not like other people, they weren't just beautiful. 920 00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:05,561 They stand out, they were really becoming iconic 921 00:53:05,562 --> 00:53:06,980 and, you know, memorable. 922 00:53:07,564 --> 00:53:08,690 And important. 923 00:53:09,357 --> 00:53:10,900 They became household names. 924 00:53:10,901 --> 00:53:13,320 And I think that really solidified the supermodel. 925 00:53:14,487 --> 00:53:16,031 We looked powerful, 926 00:53:16,531 --> 00:53:18,657 and then we started believing that. 927 00:53:29,235 --> 00:53:31,235 >>>>oakislandtk<<<<< www.opensubtitles.org