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Previously on The West Wing:
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He's a Republican lawyer.
Turns out...
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...he's on Government Oversight.
- You can't see him.
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Political reporters don't care
about the scope of inquiry.
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We're not gonna get anywhere putting
on a calm face. We need to pick a fight.
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- Hoynes put a poll in the field.
- A trip to New Hampshire?
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- High-tech corridor of the Northeast.
- Thanks to who?
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What does that matter right now?
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Third down and 12,
45 seconds to go.
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Whitmeyer has the ball
on the right side...
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... and immediately stops
for a 2-yard loss...
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- Okay.
- Do we know what kind of gun it was?
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- Which gun?
- The first gun.
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It was a.38 pistol.
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Okay, here are a few confirmations
and a few more details.
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The shooting took place approximately
15 minutes into the 9:00 service...
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...at United Baptist Church
in Abilene, Texas.
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Will Sawyer, is that you?
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Yes.
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- You back in the country?
- Yeah.
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- Work for the San Francisco Chronicle?
- No.
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Then you wanna get your ass
out of their chair?
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There's assigned seating?
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See the little brass plaques
with the names of media outlets?
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I thought that meant they made
a contribution.
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Find a seat in back.
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Fifteen minutes into the service,
Daryl Bechtell...
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...B- E-C-H-T-E-L-L,
walked into the sanctuary.
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Reports indicate he was looking
for his estranged wife.
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He fired off a round
that was from the.38...
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...missing his wife and hitting
Harold Winter in the left shoulder.
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Mr. Winter is 65 and currently
undergoing surgery...
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...at Abilene Regional Medical Center.
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Mr. Bechtell fired off anywhere between
two and four more rounds at that point.
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Reports differ as the crowd
began to scatter.
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Then Ron Cahrl pulled a 9mm Glock
from under his suit coat...
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...and fired off three rounds
in the direction of Mr. Bechtell.
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It's unclear which round
struck Melissa Markey.
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- Confirmation on her age?
- She'll be 9 tomorrow.
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Can you speak to what Daryl Bechtell
or Ron Cahrl might be charged with?
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The Abilene Sheriff's Office
will address that.
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Doesn't Texas law prohibit weapons
in a church or synagogue?
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I'll let the sheriff's office
speak to that...
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...but I'll say that it only prohibits it
if they post the prohibition in plain sight.
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- C. J... .
- Hang on.
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Well...
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...Melissa Markey died.
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If you don't understand a question,
say so, and they'll repeat it...
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...or they'll rephrase it.
- Yeah.
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It's okay to not understand
a question.
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- It's okay to say,"I don't recall."
- I appreciate this.
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Yeah. Don't you want to go over this
with Josh?
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- He's pissed at me.
- No, he's not.
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- He's... Yeah, he is.
- He didn't say anything.
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- He doesn't say anything.
- All right.
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Anyway, I appreciate this.
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Charlie, hang on a second.
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You're gonna be sitting in a room.
It'll feel like you did something wrong...
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...but guess what.
- What?
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- You didn't. So... .
- Yeah.
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- You got a cab?
- Yeah.
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- Come back when it's over.
- Thanks.
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- You make a pick?
- Oakland over Dallas.
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- It's a lock.
- Okay.
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Everybody wants to keep Oakland
down the road...
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...but I'm not as impressed
with the preseason hype.
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You pick the Raiders at home...
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...and bank on them not being
a favorite in the playoffs.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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- Should I take Tennessee over Detroit?
- I didn't say that.
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- You said it with your eyes.
- Okay.
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- I'll take Tennessee over Detroit.
- I'm writing it down.
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Write it down. Wait, no,
give me Oakland over Dallas.
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- Okay.
- Make it New Orleans over Atlanta.
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- The game's about to start.
- New Orleans.
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- I'm writing it down.
- Write it down.
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- Good afternoon.
- Hi, Charlie.
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- How was church?
- It was fine.
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- Stop it.
- It sucked.
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- You're talking about church.
- I'm already going to hell.
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- What was the problem?
- He feels the homily lacked panache.
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- It did.
- It was a perfectly lovely homily...
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...on Ephesians 5:21.
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Husbands, love your wives
as Christ loved the church...
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...and gave himself up for her.
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She's skipping the part that says,
"Wives, be subject to your husbands.
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The husband is the head of the wife
as Christ is the head of the church."
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- I do skip that part.
- Why?
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- Because it's stupid.
- Okay.
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Husbands, love your wives...
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...as Christ loved the church
and gave himself up for her...
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...that he might sanctify her,
having cleansed her...
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...by washing of water
with the word...
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...that he might present the church
to himself in something.
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In splendor.
And I have no problem with it.
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Anytime you want me to cleanse you
with the washing of water, I'm up for it.
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- Then what is your problem?
- Hackery! He was a hack.
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He had a captive audience.
I know...
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...because I tried to tunnel out
several times.
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He didn't know what to do.
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- Want him to sing"Volare"?
- Couldn't hurt.
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- Words...
- Oh, God.
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Words, when spoken out loud
for performance, are music.
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They have rhythm and pitch
and timbre and volume.
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These are properties of music.
Music has the ability to find us...
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...and lift us up in ways
that literal meaning can't.
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- Do you see?
- You are an oratorical snob.
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Yes, and God loves me for it.
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- You said he was sending you to hell.
- Not for this.
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You can't just trot out Ephesians,
which he blew.
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It has nothing to do with husbands
and wives, it's all of us.
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St. Paul begins,"Be subject to one
another out of reverence to Christ."
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Be subject to one another.
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In this age of 24-hour cable crap
devoted...
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...to feeding the voyeuristic gluttony
of an American public hooked on...
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...a bad soap opera that's passing
itself off as important...
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...don't you think you could find
some relevance in verse 21?
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How do we end the cycle?
Be subject to one another.
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- This is about you.
- No, it's not.
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Yes, it is. But tomorrow
it'll be about somebody else.
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We'll watch Larry King and see who.
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All hacks off the stage now.
That's a national-security order.
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I'm going to the residence,
taking a bath and turning on Sinatra.
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- How does Mrs. Sinatra feel about that?
- Peace be with you.
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Good morning, Mr. President.
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He's feisty. Please,
don't ask him about church.
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No, I won't. I'm sorry, Mr. President.
Melissa Markey died.
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Yeah, okay.
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Oh, damn.
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- Charlie, can I see Leo?
- Yes, sir.
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She lost too much blood at the scene,
Jed, she didn't have a chance.
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Yeah.
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All right, I'll be over in the residence.
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- I gotta see Babish this afternoon.
- Okay.
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When do you think
I should go in there?
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I'd wait a couple of hours
till we have some more facts.
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You'll talk to the sheriff's office
and I guess, the DA.
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Yeah, but you don't want to walk
too far into that.
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Yeah.
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- Good morning.
- You heard?
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Yeah.
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- C.J. thinks I should wait a few hours.
- I would.
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- Okay.
- Thank you, Mr. President.
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Be subject to one another, Leo.
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- What can I do to be of subject to you?
- I'm fine.
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- Yeah?
- I've got Margaret.
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Okay.
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I think you should send
Hoynes to Texas.
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- He's not gonna want to do it.
- What do you care?
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- What are you doing today?
- I'm meeting with Adamley.
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- What about?
- He wants to talk to me...
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...about the War Crimes Tribunal.
- Keep me out of it, all right?
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You think I should send
Hoynes to Texas?
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Yeah.
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All right, get him over here.
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- Now?
- Yeah.
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Thank you, Mr. President.
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This proceeding is known
as a deposition.
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The person transcribing the deposition
is a House reporter.
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You were sworn in by a notary public
and are under oath.
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- Do you understand?
- Yes.
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Because you are under oath,
your testimony here today...
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...has the same force and effect
as if you were testifying...
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...before the committee
in a courtroom.
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- Do you understand?
- Yes.
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This committee has authorization
pursuant to House Resolution 173.
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My name is Clifford Calley.
I'm majority counsel...
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...for the House Oversight
and Reform Committee.
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State your full name for the record.
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Donnatella Moss.
D-O-N-N-A-T-E-L-L-A M-O-S-S.
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I'd like the record to show that I've met
the witness socially on occasion...
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...and without objection
I'd like to proceed.
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- No objection.
- Counsel?
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- No objection.
- I'd like to express...
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...our appreciation to you
for appearing on a Sunday.
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Ms. Moss, are you here voluntarily
or due to a subpoena?
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- A subpoena.
- No need to thank me.
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Donna, this is gonna be easy,
you can laugh.
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Were you asked
to organize documents...
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...pursuant to this committee's
investigation?
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- Yes.
- Would you describe how that worked?
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On instructions from Joshua Lyman
and the White House Counsel's Office...
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...I took over a storage room
at the OEOB...
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...and began sorting through inter-office
and inter-departmental documents...
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...both from the campaign
and from the West Wing.
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- The campaign you're referring to is...?
- Bartlet for America.
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- How'd you guys do?
- We won.
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My colleagues are gonna
ask you some questions.
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Then we'll get back to me
and finish up.
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- Okay.
- Ms. Moss.
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- Do you keep a photo album?
- No.
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- Okay, do you keep...?
- I'm sorry.
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I keep photographs.
I don't have them in an album.
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- Okay, do you keep a scrapbook?
- No.
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Do you keep letters, notes
or correspondence you receive?
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Sometimes a birthday card
or a letter from my father.
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- Do you keep a diary?
- No.
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Okay. Do you receive gifts
from anyone who is currently...?
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I'm sorry. Hang on.
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Would you read that back?
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"Question: Do you keep a diary?
Answer: No.
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Question:
Okay, do you receive gifts from...?"
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Okay. Okay, go ahead.
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Do you receive gifts from anyone who
is currently working at the White House?
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- How you doing?
- Good.
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- You're sitting in my chair.
- It didn't have a plaque.
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- Oh, I've missed you.
- Yeah.
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- Well, you've been gone three weeks.
- Two and a half years.
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- Really?
- Yes.
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- You were our man in Myanmar.
- I got kicked out of Myanmar.
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Is there a third-world country
that hasn't kicked you out?
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I've been kicked out of plenty
of industrialized nations too.
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- Why'd they kick you out?
- First...
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...they didn't kick me out exactly.
They love me in Myanmar.
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- What happened?
- They put a bounty on my head.
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It's not funny.
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The Myanmarese government
is built on narcotics trafficking.
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Myanmar, Thailand, Laos.
I was this close to the story.
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- Yeah?
- I had interviews with Peng Jiasheng...
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...Pao Yuqiang, Li Zuru.
I was tight with narco-barons.
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- Until?
- The Myanmarese army...
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Put a bounty on your head?
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- How'd you know?
- State Department came and got me.
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That had to be embarrassing
in front of your narco-baron friends.
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Anyway... .
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I'm assigned
to the White House Press Corps...
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...until they can find me,
you know, a reporting job.
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- No, no offense taken.
- Thanks.
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- Why'd you wanna see me?
- Have a quote for comment.
232
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- What is it?
- Toby Ziegler says:
233
00:12:31,161 --> 00:12:35,028
"If the president wins reelection,
it'll be on the vice president's coattails."
234
00:12:35,207 --> 00:12:38,410
If the president wins reelection,
it'll be on the vice president's coattails?
235
00:12:38,584 --> 00:12:40,743
I think that's... .
Yeah.
236
00:12:40,962 --> 00:12:42,124
- He said this to you?
- No.
237
00:12:42,297 --> 00:12:44,621
- Where'd you get it?
- The person he said it to.
238
00:12:44,841 --> 00:12:47,591
Do me a favor, give me some time
to check it out, okay?
239
00:12:47,801 --> 00:12:48,833
Yeah.
240
00:12:49,011 --> 00:12:51,050
- You were gone two and a half years?
- Yeah.
241
00:12:51,263 --> 00:12:52,887
It seemed like less than that.
242
00:12:53,891 --> 00:12:57,176
People lose all track of time and space
when I'm not around.
243
00:12:57,393 --> 00:12:57,882
Yeah.
244
00:12:57,882 --> 00:12:59,162
Yeah.
245
00:13:01,468 --> 00:13:04,551
It's 30 billion
in school-modernization bonds.
246
00:13:04,762 --> 00:13:06,008
Thanks, Ginger.
247
00:13:06,181 --> 00:13:07,212
- Thank you.
- Sure.
248
00:13:07,390 --> 00:13:09,549
It's 30 billion
in school-modernization bonds.
249
00:13:09,726 --> 00:13:12,264
- Interest-free?
- Interest-free for school districts.
250
00:13:12,436 --> 00:13:16,932
We're estimating it will help build and
modernize 7000 schools nationwide.
251
00:13:17,108 --> 00:13:21,272
There's another 1.5 billion for urgent
repairs targeted to high-need districts.
252
00:13:21,445 --> 00:13:23,437
- Like roof repairs?
- Roof repairs...
253
00:13:23,655 --> 00:13:26,229
...heating and cooling systems,
electrical wiring.
254
00:13:26,408 --> 00:13:29,742
We think we need the congressman's
vote to get it onto the floor.
255
00:13:29,953 --> 00:13:31,530
- He'll be with it.
- I thought so.
256
00:13:31,747 --> 00:13:34,617
He wants the president's support
on a bill he's sponsoring.
257
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,786
- What's it called?
- The Legal Tender Modernization Act.
258
00:13:38,002 --> 00:13:39,911
- Which is...?
- Elimination of the penny.
259
00:13:40,129 --> 00:13:41,921
- Sorry?
- It would permanently halt...
260
00:13:42,132 --> 00:13:44,419
...production of the penny.
- Why?
261
00:13:44,591 --> 00:13:45,920
- I'm glad you asked.
- Yeah.
262
00:13:46,093 --> 00:13:49,177
Last year, the U.S. Mint cut
14 billion pennies...
263
00:13:49,388 --> 00:13:52,720
...and shipped them to the Federal
Reserve, which dumped them on us.
264
00:13:52,890 --> 00:13:55,428
- They're worthless.
- They're actually worth 1 cent.
265
00:13:55,602 --> 00:13:58,852
The dollar has the buying power today
the quarter had 30 years ago.
266
00:13:59,022 --> 00:14:02,437
- Penny's power's shrunk to nothing.
- Not true. You can get a gumball.
267
00:14:02,650 --> 00:14:05,319
- No, you can't. They cost a nickel.
- Really?
268
00:14:06,362 --> 00:14:08,650
I need to give the congressman
a good reason...
269
00:14:08,822 --> 00:14:11,740
...why the White House
won't support the bill, if they won't.
270
00:14:11,950 --> 00:14:15,320
- Don't make me give you a good reason.
- You want your school repairs?
271
00:14:15,495 --> 00:14:18,366
We're already well on our way
with 140 million pennies.
272
00:14:18,540 --> 00:14:20,828
- Sam.
- I'll get you a good reason.
273
00:14:22,043 --> 00:14:23,787
Charlie!
274
00:14:25,212 --> 00:14:26,244
Yes, sir.
275
00:14:26,422 --> 00:14:28,829
- You took Indianapolis?
- Yes, sir.
276
00:14:29,007 --> 00:14:31,581
- You didn't want to take Kansas City?
- No, sir.
277
00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,844
Kansas City's got three players
out of Notre Dame.
278
00:14:35,013 --> 00:14:37,968
Always go with a team with
more players out of Notre Dame.
279
00:14:38,141 --> 00:14:40,133
- That's a heck of a system.
- What's yours?
280
00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:42,801
I compare the team's record
to its opponent's record.
281
00:14:42,979 --> 00:14:46,431
- That's a little simplistic, isn't it?
- Yes, sir.
282
00:14:46,607 --> 00:14:48,267
- Excuse me, Mr. President?
- Yeah.
283
00:14:48,443 --> 00:14:51,562
- The vice president.
- Thank you.
284
00:14:53,154 --> 00:14:54,435
- Hi, Charlie.
- Sir.
285
00:14:54,615 --> 00:14:56,193
- Hey, John.
- Good afternoon, sir.
286
00:14:56,366 --> 00:14:57,776
- Do you know this church?
- No.
287
00:14:57,952 --> 00:15:00,656
- The United Baptist Church in Abilene?
- No.
288
00:15:00,829 --> 00:15:03,913
- You feel like having a beer with me?
- No, I'm fine.
289
00:15:04,082 --> 00:15:08,543
On Sundays after church, my father
would let my brother and me split a beer.
290
00:15:08,752 --> 00:15:11,244
- Mind if I split some water with you?
- Nancy.
291
00:15:11,422 --> 00:15:13,628
I need you to go to Texas, John.
292
00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,207
Nancy, could I get a cold beer
and some ice water?
293
00:15:16,385 --> 00:15:18,591
- Yes, sir.
- And close the door, please.
294
00:15:20,764 --> 00:15:24,346
- You want to send me to Texas.
- It's what Texans do.
295
00:15:24,517 --> 00:15:28,467
You know, a decade ago, we passed
a few national gun-control laws...
296
00:15:28,647 --> 00:15:32,229
...and the gun lobby turned its back on
Congress and focused on the states.
297
00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,973
The NRA systematically
worked the legislatures...
298
00:15:35,195 --> 00:15:38,231
...to weaken conceal-and-carry laws,
the effect of which...
299
00:15:38,406 --> 00:15:41,441
...is to increase gun sales
and pad its own membership.
300
00:15:41,658 --> 00:15:42,821
I don't agree with that...
301
00:15:42,994 --> 00:15:47,987
The National Conference of State
Legislatures is meeting in San Antonio.
302
00:15:48,207 --> 00:15:50,993
- You want me to go and speak for you.
- Yeah.
303
00:15:51,209 --> 00:15:53,415
Because that's what Texans do.
304
00:15:54,336 --> 00:15:56,495
It's also what vice presidents do.
305
00:16:05,347 --> 00:16:07,256
Thank you, Nancy.
306
00:16:12,145 --> 00:16:14,018
Thank you, Nancy.
307
00:16:19,569 --> 00:16:21,443
- Alan.
- Hey.
308
00:16:23,365 --> 00:16:24,609
Come on back.
309
00:16:26,867 --> 00:16:30,033
- Thanks for taking the time.
- No, no.
310
00:16:30,203 --> 00:16:32,611
- So how did it go?
- Oh, it was a good trip.
311
00:16:32,789 --> 00:16:37,166
I met with Hassan,
and I met with the aviation prince.
312
00:16:37,335 --> 00:16:39,791
- You know what we need?
- An aviation prince.
313
00:16:39,963 --> 00:16:41,160
That's right.
314
00:16:41,339 --> 00:16:42,882
Well, let me tell you something.
315
00:16:43,049 --> 00:16:45,457
Sultan Bin Abu Azir ain't
what he used to be.
316
00:16:45,634 --> 00:16:49,217
Last time I was in Kuwait, he gave me
a gold-inlay Gadara sword...
317
00:16:49,388 --> 00:16:51,926
...originated from the Binalhmar tribe.
318
00:16:52,099 --> 00:16:54,506
- What'd you get this time?
- Nothing.
319
00:16:54,684 --> 00:16:58,053
You wanna go to the Situation Room,
blow him off the face of the earth?
320
00:16:58,229 --> 00:16:59,510
Yeah.
321
00:16:59,690 --> 00:17:02,725
So the NSC Communications Office...
322
00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:06,269
...cabled me a draft of the president's
radio address for next weekend.
323
00:17:06,487 --> 00:17:10,022
- Alan, it's a week...
-"At the close of the last World War...
324
00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,108
...our nation was instrumental in the
creation of both the United Nations...
325
00:17:14,286 --> 00:17:16,694
...and the Nuremberg War
Crimes Tribunal.
326
00:17:17,206 --> 00:17:19,911
Now, at the dawn of the millennium,
we cannot betray...
327
00:17:20,083 --> 00:17:23,037
...that tradition of moral leadership."
He's made up his mind.
328
00:17:23,253 --> 00:17:25,578
It's an early draft.
It's not a big thing.
329
00:17:25,797 --> 00:17:29,462
I know that Hutchinson
and Berryhill are for it, but to me...
330
00:17:29,634 --> 00:17:33,548
...to Fitzwallace, the Pentagon,
the House and Senate Armed Services...
331
00:17:33,762 --> 00:17:35,839
...and House and Senate
Foreign Relations...
332
00:17:36,015 --> 00:17:38,091
...it's a thing of catastrophic
proportions.
333
00:17:38,266 --> 00:17:39,927
Let's go inside and talk.
334
00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:46,391
- Hey.
- I'm not here.
335
00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:48,358
- I called and had you paged.
- Yeah?
336
00:17:48,527 --> 00:17:51,017
- I didn't know you were here.
- I'm not.
337
00:17:51,236 --> 00:17:53,229
- I think the jig is up.
- Clearly I'm here.
338
00:17:53,406 --> 00:17:56,525
But I'm not open. The president
was meeting with Hoynes...
339
00:17:56,742 --> 00:17:59,578
...so I wanted to see how it goes.
- Listen...
340
00:17:59,787 --> 00:18:04,782
I see you picked Chicago over Cincinnati,
so your money's gonna be in my pocket.
341
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,826
"If the president wins reelection...
342
00:18:07,001 --> 00:18:09,492
...it's gonna be
on the vice president's coattails."
343
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:11,959
You wanna know what's weird?
344
00:18:12,132 --> 00:18:14,752
I just said that exact same thing
a couple of days ago.
345
00:18:14,925 --> 00:18:17,464
I know. You know how I know?
Will Sawyer just told me.
346
00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:20,252
- Will Sawyer's in Myanmar.
- He got kicked out.
347
00:18:20,432 --> 00:18:23,930
- He's in the Room now.
- C.J., I said it.
348
00:18:26,478 --> 00:18:29,681
I said it in the W.A. meeting.
I said it at the end of the meeting.
349
00:18:29,856 --> 00:18:34,684
We were talking about areas where
Hoynes is polling stronger than... .
350
00:18:34,860 --> 00:18:36,106
It was... .
351
00:18:38,531 --> 00:18:41,022
I said to our own... .
352
00:18:46,038 --> 00:18:47,698
- Do I have a little time?
- A little.
353
00:18:47,873 --> 00:18:49,830
- Thank you.
- You're here now?
354
00:18:51,376 --> 00:18:52,836
Yeah.
355
00:18:59,675 --> 00:19:01,384
Ginger?
356
00:19:03,470 --> 00:19:06,507
I want you to page every junior staffer
and senior assistant...
357
00:19:06,682 --> 00:19:08,260
...who works in the West Wing.
358
00:19:08,435 --> 00:19:10,759
I want them to assemble
in the mess in two hours.
359
00:19:10,978 --> 00:19:12,887
- What if...?
- If they can't be here...
360
00:19:13,064 --> 00:19:16,314
...then they don't need to come
in tomorrow morning.
361
00:19:33,541 --> 00:19:35,248
- Hey.
- How you doing?
362
00:19:35,584 --> 00:19:38,537
- How'd you get here before me?
- I drove.
363
00:19:39,671 --> 00:19:41,545
- Should you be here?
- No.
364
00:19:41,756 --> 00:19:43,832
- Then what...?
- I need to know why you lied.
365
00:19:44,426 --> 00:19:45,457
- When?
- Donna.
366
00:19:45,676 --> 00:19:47,669
- I didn't lie.
- I saw your diary.
367
00:19:48,930 --> 00:19:52,513
When I was over that night. You keep
a diary. Why'd you say you didn't?
368
00:19:52,684 --> 00:19:54,427
- I don't keep a diary.
- I saw it.
369
00:19:54,644 --> 00:19:58,344
- You didn't, because there is no diary...
- Donna, it's me and you.
370
00:19:58,522 --> 00:20:01,357
- What's in it that you had to lie?
- It's me and you?
371
00:20:01,525 --> 00:20:05,439
You're investigating me, my friends,
my boss and the president.
372
00:20:05,612 --> 00:20:08,102
- That's right.
- I thought you were smarmy with your:
373
00:20:08,281 --> 00:20:10,689
-"You can laugh." Was that charm?
- Tell me what's...
374
00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:12,532
There is no diary.
375
00:20:12,702 --> 00:20:16,153
Eighteen U.S.C., 1001.
Lying to Congress:
376
00:20:16,371 --> 00:20:18,614
$ 10,000 and not more
than five years in prison.
377
00:20:18,790 --> 00:20:20,284
- Cliff...
- Eighteen U.S.C., 1505.
378
00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:23,074
Obstruction of Proceedings
Before Committees:
379
00:20:23,254 --> 00:20:24,416
Not more than five years.
380
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:27,298
Two U.S.C., 192.
Contempt of Congress:
381
00:20:27,465 --> 00:20:29,708
$ 1000 and imprisonment
in a common jail...
382
00:20:29,884 --> 00:20:33,134
...for not more than 12 months.
It was a perfectly innocent mistake.
383
00:20:33,304 --> 00:20:35,925
Let me talk to your lawyer
and help you walk this back.
384
00:20:36,724 --> 00:20:38,764
Just out of curiosity,
what would you say?
385
00:20:40,268 --> 00:20:41,929
That you thought you saw a diary...
386
00:20:42,105 --> 00:20:44,808
...while you were hunting around
for your boxer shorts?
387
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,142
You shouldn't be here.
388
00:21:00,788 --> 00:21:01,819
- Why?
- Why?
389
00:21:01,998 --> 00:21:03,990
- Yes.
- Because this country is populated...
390
00:21:04,166 --> 00:21:07,535
...with unbalanced people, many
of whom find their way to Washington...
391
00:21:07,711 --> 00:21:10,380
...as if the continent funnels them
into this one spot.
392
00:21:10,589 --> 00:21:12,166
He wants to abolish the penny?
393
00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:16,040
Not as much as he wants to give
his boss a reason why we can't.
394
00:21:16,260 --> 00:21:19,427
- Well, it's stupid.
- Yeah, the thing is, it isn't really.
395
00:21:19,639 --> 00:21:22,011
- Really?
- The majority of pennies don't circulate.
396
00:21:22,183 --> 00:21:25,883
They go in jars, drawers. 2/3 of
pennies produced in the last 30 years...
397
00:21:26,104 --> 00:21:29,187
...have dropped out of circulation.
- You're reading about this?
398
00:21:29,357 --> 00:21:31,099
- It's interesting.
- No, it's not.
399
00:21:31,317 --> 00:21:35,065
The Mint gets letters with pennies
taped on notebook paper from citizens...
400
00:21:35,279 --> 00:21:37,152
...who found them on the street...
401
00:21:37,365 --> 00:21:39,570
...and mailed them in to help
with the debt.
402
00:21:39,783 --> 00:21:42,986
- Hard to believe that hasn't worked.
- It's bad for the environment.
403
00:21:43,203 --> 00:21:46,287
Production requires mining of tons
of copper and zinc each year.
404
00:21:46,456 --> 00:21:48,033
- Zinc?
- In 1982, they changed...
405
00:21:48,207 --> 00:21:51,742
...the composition to 97.5 percent zinc
and only 2.5 percent copper.
406
00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:53,995
- Sam.
- I'm turning into a funnel person.
407
00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:55,706
Yeah.
408
00:21:58,509 --> 00:22:01,960
- Donna thinks you're still pissed at her.
- I'm not. I wasn't before.
409
00:22:02,138 --> 00:22:05,173
- When did she tell you that?
- Before she left.
410
00:22:05,390 --> 00:22:07,098
- You've heard from her?
- No.
411
00:22:08,267 --> 00:22:10,593
- She should be done by now.
- Here's a riddle:
412
00:22:10,811 --> 00:22:13,480
What's the most ubiquitous
man-made object in America...
413
00:22:13,648 --> 00:22:16,269
...that doesn't interact with
any mechanism or machine?
414
00:22:17,067 --> 00:22:19,225
- The penny?
- The penny.
415
00:22:22,198 --> 00:22:24,522
You can't even throw it
in a tollbooth.
416
00:22:24,699 --> 00:22:28,115
- Well, except for Illinois.
- Why can you use it in Illinois?
417
00:22:28,327 --> 00:22:31,245
- That's an interesting question.
- No, it's not.
418
00:22:32,665 --> 00:22:33,696
- Hey.
- Hey.
419
00:22:33,875 --> 00:22:37,456
I'm gonna have something for you soon.
Toby's talking to some people.
420
00:22:37,628 --> 00:22:39,751
- Hey, are you a king?
- No.
421
00:22:39,921 --> 00:22:42,460
Somebody said you were hanging out
with some tribe...
422
00:22:42,633 --> 00:22:45,087
...and they made you a king.
- I'm a god.
423
00:22:46,137 --> 00:22:49,172
I'm the only white man to ever
witness the sacrificial rites...
424
00:22:49,347 --> 00:22:50,890
...of the Bau tribe of Fiji.
425
00:22:51,057 --> 00:22:53,133
I was almost a victim myself...
426
00:22:53,309 --> 00:22:56,226
...until they made me
The Supporter of the World.
427
00:22:56,395 --> 00:22:58,638
- How'd you swing that?
- Using my Palm Pilot...
428
00:22:58,856 --> 00:23:02,225
...I convinced them I had the power
to make the gods' writing appear...
429
00:23:02,402 --> 00:23:05,153
...and more significantly,
predict the next day's weather.
430
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,570
- So you're a god.
- The God of Good Harvest.
431
00:23:08,740 --> 00:23:11,658
I gotta go and bring my laptop.
It quacks when I have e-mail.
432
00:23:11,826 --> 00:23:14,578
- No, you're too tall.
- What would happen?
433
00:23:14,788 --> 00:23:17,704
They would paint your face
and other body parts black...
434
00:23:17,915 --> 00:23:21,165
...so as to resemble a warrior
ornamented for feast or combat.
435
00:23:21,335 --> 00:23:24,336
Then you would be garroted
by a length of boar tripe.
436
00:23:24,547 --> 00:23:27,417
Yeah. No, good safety tip.
437
00:23:27,633 --> 00:23:29,257
- Alan Adamley here?
- Yeah.
438
00:23:29,467 --> 00:23:31,176
- Why?
- He's meeting with Leo McGarry.
439
00:23:31,386 --> 00:23:33,046
- Why?
- I don't know. Listen...
440
00:23:33,221 --> 00:23:34,550
...you made a joke before.
441
00:23:34,765 --> 00:23:36,425
- Yeah.
- About being assigned here...
442
00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:39,008
...until you can get a real reporting job.
- Yeah.
443
00:23:39,227 --> 00:23:40,935
- Was it a joke?
- Yeah.
444
00:23:41,145 --> 00:23:44,478
Okay. I'll have something for you
on the other thing soon.
445
00:23:44,649 --> 00:23:45,893
Thanks.
446
00:23:46,066 --> 00:23:47,442
- That's not true.
- John...
447
00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:50,943
It is not, Mr. President. Twenty-nine
states have"shall issue" laws.
448
00:23:51,155 --> 00:23:54,489
If you look at the state of New Jersey,
which has a"may issue" law...
449
00:23:54,658 --> 00:23:57,278
...if you change that one word...
- I'm not saying...
450
00:23:57,493 --> 00:23:59,949
Changing that word means
law enforcement decides...
451
00:24:00,121 --> 00:24:03,241
...who gets a concealed weapon
and when and where they carry it.
452
00:24:03,458 --> 00:24:06,792
Texas has a"may issue" law
in front of the legislature right now.
453
00:24:07,003 --> 00:24:10,039
- You going down there...
- It's suicide, and you know it.
454
00:24:10,255 --> 00:24:13,873
It's counter-scheduling. You tell an
audience what they don't wanna hear.
455
00:24:14,051 --> 00:24:15,296
It shows you have courage.
456
00:24:15,469 --> 00:24:19,383
The editors of The New York Times will
think I have courage, while the people...
457
00:24:19,598 --> 00:24:22,170
- You're a hero in Texas.
- I was a hero in Texas.
458
00:24:22,392 --> 00:24:24,965
Texans don't like your courage
of your convictions?
459
00:24:25,145 --> 00:24:27,718
They're not my convictions,
they're yours.
460
00:24:27,897 --> 00:24:30,019
Oh, yeah. I forgot.
461
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:36,227
Mr. President...
462
00:24:36,405 --> 00:24:39,856
...we're not gonna get anywhere
by treating gun owners like psychopaths.
463
00:24:40,034 --> 00:24:43,319
And particularly in the South,
where guns are a tradition...
464
00:24:43,495 --> 00:24:46,365
...and a heritage that's passed on
from father to son.
465
00:24:46,581 --> 00:24:47,661
That's not good enough.
466
00:24:47,875 --> 00:24:50,660
- Sir...
- A tradition passed from father to son?
467
00:24:50,834 --> 00:24:53,622
We tamed the frontier, John.
We did that already.
468
00:24:53,796 --> 00:24:57,840
The NRA is gonna say you're taking
advantage of the shooting in Abilene.
469
00:24:58,050 --> 00:25:00,802
That you like when this happens.
It gives you a chance...
470
00:25:01,011 --> 00:25:03,300
Let them stand in this room
and say that.
471
00:25:03,473 --> 00:25:06,010
On this day.
Let them stand in this room.
472
00:25:06,182 --> 00:25:07,725
I like it?
473
00:25:07,893 --> 00:25:09,636
She was 9 years old.
474
00:25:27,453 --> 00:25:28,698
Green Bay lost.
475
00:25:30,538 --> 00:25:32,033
She was 9 years old.
476
00:25:32,248 --> 00:25:35,949
You know, last month in Idaho,
a man killed six members of his family...
477
00:25:36,127 --> 00:25:38,166
...including his pregnant wife.
478
00:25:38,379 --> 00:25:41,665
And you know why the liberal
intelligentsia didn't go crazy?
479
00:25:41,883 --> 00:25:45,583
Because he did it with an ax.
You think we need ax control?
480
00:25:45,803 --> 00:25:49,171
Well, that is an excellent point.
I never saw it that way.
481
00:25:49,389 --> 00:25:52,307
- I'm playing devil's advocate.
- Tighter ax control.
482
00:25:52,517 --> 00:25:54,889
You come down on firearms,
tobacco and alcohol...
483
00:25:55,061 --> 00:25:57,766
...but you let Griffith talk
about legalizing marijuana.
484
00:25:57,981 --> 00:25:59,059
- She didn't...
- Sir...
485
00:25:59,273 --> 00:26:03,770
You know what?
Last year, gun deaths: 30,708.
486
00:26:03,945 --> 00:26:07,278
Alcohol deaths: 35,450.
487
00:26:07,447 --> 00:26:09,571
Tobacco deaths: 400,000.
488
00:26:09,784 --> 00:26:11,360
Marijuana deaths: zero.
489
00:26:11,576 --> 00:26:14,032
This guy, the second shooter,
Rambo...
490
00:26:14,204 --> 00:26:16,446
...he's gonna get a parade.
You know why?
491
00:26:16,623 --> 00:26:18,615
There was no sign posted
in the church...
492
00:26:18,792 --> 00:26:21,995
...saying you can't carry
a concealed weapon.
493
00:26:22,170 --> 00:26:23,830
I'm just playing devil's advocate.
494
00:26:24,506 --> 00:26:26,462
She was 9 years old.
495
00:26:26,632 --> 00:26:31,175
Two things. One, technically it's not
just a court for war crimes.
496
00:26:31,344 --> 00:26:33,255
- Technically?
- And two...
497
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:35,422
...the president hasn't
made up his mind.
498
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,140
- The U.N. has.
- The U.N. made up its mind in 1948...
499
00:26:39,352 --> 00:26:41,890
...when they recognized genocide.
- Yes...
500
00:26:42,063 --> 00:26:44,899
A crime so immense
as to exceed the jurisdiction...
501
00:26:45,108 --> 00:26:48,524
...of any single court or government.
Alan, systematic extermination...
502
00:26:48,695 --> 00:26:53,072
...of civilians, enslavement, torture,
rape, forced pregnancy, terrorism... .
503
00:26:53,282 --> 00:26:55,689
Doesn't the world need
a permanent standing body...?
504
00:26:55,868 --> 00:26:59,651
National sovereignty is at stake.
Americans are answerable to no one...
505
00:26:59,830 --> 00:27:02,700
...but their own government and laws.
- Yeah.
506
00:27:02,916 --> 00:27:05,371
The U.N. is not
a democratic organization.
507
00:27:05,585 --> 00:27:08,123
There's no input
into its deliberations by any...
508
00:27:08,339 --> 00:27:11,208
Come on, the court is designed
with plenty of safeguards...
509
00:27:11,424 --> 00:27:14,674
...to say nothing of if we don't
subject ourselves to the treaty...
510
00:27:14,844 --> 00:27:16,920
...it'll encourage other countries.
511
00:27:17,096 --> 00:27:21,010
You don't think that'll undercut
the U.N. 's campaign against war crimes?
512
00:27:22,058 --> 00:27:24,348
- Excuse me. Excuse me, general.
- Hey, Sam.
513
00:27:24,562 --> 00:27:26,470
- Margaret wasn't here.
- What do you need?
514
00:27:26,646 --> 00:27:29,813
- No, if you're busy, I can come back.
- We're eliminating genocide.
515
00:27:29,983 --> 00:27:32,652
- What are you doing?
- Eliminating the penny.
516
00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:34,064
So I'll come back.
517
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:35,393
- Yeah.
- See you later.
518
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:41,546
- Hey.
- Hi.
519
00:27:41,719 --> 00:27:43,794
- How'd it go?
- It went fine.
520
00:27:43,971 --> 00:27:45,880
- Just background, right?
- It was fine.
521
00:27:46,057 --> 00:27:48,262
- Is Josh in his office?
- He's around someplace.
522
00:27:48,434 --> 00:27:50,224
Thanks.
523
00:27:50,394 --> 00:27:53,560
The only thing pennies interact with
are coin-wrapping machines...
524
00:27:53,730 --> 00:27:56,565
...people buy to get rid of pennies,
which proves the point.
525
00:27:56,733 --> 00:27:58,808
- What point?
- I don't know.
526
00:27:58,985 --> 00:28:01,476
- It went okay?
- Fine.
527
00:28:09,536 --> 00:28:11,908
- How'd it go?
- I need to talk to you for a second.
528
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,452
- What happened?
- Can we go in your office?
529
00:28:14,625 --> 00:28:16,913
- Hey, how'd it go?
- Fine.
530
00:28:19,712 --> 00:28:22,037
- What happened?
- They asked if I kept a diary...
531
00:28:22,215 --> 00:28:23,922
...and I said no.
Only I do keep one.
532
00:28:24,091 --> 00:28:25,752
- Why'd you say that?
- I don't know.
533
00:28:25,968 --> 00:28:28,044
- You don't know?
- Nothing in it is relevant.
534
00:28:28,220 --> 00:28:29,714
Does anyone know
you keep one?
535
00:28:29,888 --> 00:28:33,589
Nobody knows I keep a diary,
except Cliff saw it.
536
00:28:35,185 --> 00:28:37,392
- What do you mean?
- After the deposition...
537
00:28:37,562 --> 00:28:40,764
...Cliff told me he saw the diary
when he was in my apartment.
538
00:28:44,860 --> 00:28:47,862
I swear, it wasn't premeditated.
Nothing in it was material...
539
00:28:48,030 --> 00:28:49,406
You don't get to decide that!
540
00:28:49,574 --> 00:28:52,111
You don't get to decide
what's material, Donna!
541
00:28:52,326 --> 00:28:54,532
- Keep your voice down.
- This is how it happens.
542
00:28:54,703 --> 00:28:58,119
They got nothing on the president
with MS, then you hand them...
543
00:28:58,289 --> 00:28:59,665
- I know.
- You were subpoenaed!
544
00:28:59,833 --> 00:29:02,159
- You were under oath!
- I screwed up.
545
00:29:02,377 --> 00:29:04,037
You think?!
546
00:29:08,924 --> 00:29:11,676
- What should I do?
- Do nothing.
547
00:29:11,844 --> 00:29:13,754
Do absolutely nothing.
548
00:30:13,777 --> 00:30:15,899
There's an old saying:
549
00:30:17,363 --> 00:30:22,440
Those who speak don't know,
and those who know don't speak.
550
00:30:22,993 --> 00:30:24,950
I don't know if that's true or not...
551
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,987
...but I know, by and large, the press
doesn't care who really knows what...
552
00:30:29,166 --> 00:30:30,874
...as long as they've got a quote.
553
00:30:32,294 --> 00:30:35,460
Friday, we had our"week ahead"
meeting in the Roosevelt Room.
554
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:37,836
Some of you were there,
most of you weren't...
555
00:30:38,008 --> 00:30:40,000
...but I'm talking to all of you now.
556
00:30:40,426 --> 00:30:43,131
Bruno Gianelli and I were leading
a discussion...
557
00:30:43,304 --> 00:30:45,926
...about whether the president
should stop in Kansas...
558
00:30:46,099 --> 00:30:48,470
...on his way back
from the West Coast.
559
00:30:48,850 --> 00:30:52,635
And I remarked that the vice president
is polling better than the president...
560
00:30:52,812 --> 00:30:54,521
...right now in the plains states.
561
00:30:54,731 --> 00:30:58,516
And if the president is reelected,
it'll be on the vice president's coattails.
562
00:30:58,693 --> 00:31:01,018
That remark got
to a White House reporter.
563
00:31:04,949 --> 00:31:06,657
We're a group.
564
00:31:07,868 --> 00:31:09,576
We're a team.
565
00:31:09,995 --> 00:31:13,329
From the president and Leo on through,
we're a team.
566
00:31:15,376 --> 00:31:17,202
We win together.
567
00:31:17,377 --> 00:31:19,370
We lose together.
568
00:31:20,464 --> 00:31:23,133
We celebrate and we mourn together.
569
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,005
Defeats are softened
and victories sweetened...
570
00:31:26,177 --> 00:31:28,086
...because we did them together.
571
00:31:30,849 --> 00:31:33,339
And if you don't like this team...
572
00:31:33,892 --> 00:31:36,135
...then there's the door.
573
00:31:39,606 --> 00:31:41,480
It's great to be in the know.
574
00:31:41,649 --> 00:31:44,223
It's great to have the scoop,
to have the skinny.
575
00:31:44,402 --> 00:31:48,980
To be able to go to a reporter and say,
"I know something you don't know."
576
00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:54,618
So the press becomes your constituents,
and you sell out the team.
577
00:31:56,998 --> 00:32:00,496
So an item will appear
in the paper tomorrow...
578
00:32:00,667 --> 00:32:05,661
...and it'll be embarrassing to me
and embarrassing to the president.
579
00:32:09,217 --> 00:32:11,506
I'm not gonna have a witch-hunt.
580
00:32:11,678 --> 00:32:15,461
I'm not gonna huff and puff.
I'm not gonna take anyone's head off.
581
00:32:16,307 --> 00:32:18,595
I'm simply gonna say this:
582
00:32:20,895 --> 00:32:22,971
You're my guys.
583
00:32:24,023 --> 00:32:25,896
And I'm yours.
584
00:32:27,776 --> 00:32:30,266
And there's nothing
I wouldn't do for you.
585
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,283
- That was unexpected.
- Yeah.
586
00:32:46,626 --> 00:32:48,833
You're a good deputy, Sam.
587
00:32:49,004 --> 00:32:52,005
- What do you mean?
- That.
588
00:32:52,174 --> 00:32:55,543
- You won money on football, didn't you?
- Yeah, but I mean it anyway.
589
00:32:55,719 --> 00:32:57,627
What can I do for you today?
590
00:32:57,845 --> 00:33:01,973
Give me a good reason why we can't
support the elimination of the penny.
591
00:33:02,140 --> 00:33:06,185
- The Legal Tender Huckleberry Bill?
- Modernization Bill, yeah.
592
00:33:06,353 --> 00:33:09,105
- It'll never get to the floor.
- Why not?
593
00:33:09,272 --> 00:33:11,291
- Where's the House speaker from?
- Illinois.
594
00:33:11,584 --> 00:33:15,747
Which is the only state where you can
put pennies in a toll machine. Why?
595
00:33:15,962 --> 00:33:17,871
- It's because...
- Lincoln's from Illinois!
596
00:33:18,047 --> 00:33:19,875
- And so's the speaker.
- Yes.
597
00:33:20,050 --> 00:33:22,256
That's a good reason.
Well, it's a dumb reason.
598
00:33:22,426 --> 00:33:25,712
- But it's good enough, right?
- Sure.
599
00:33:26,221 --> 00:33:28,795
- Thank you.
- Yeah.
600
00:33:28,974 --> 00:33:32,224
- And thanks for the other thing.
- Yeah.
601
00:33:33,062 --> 00:33:34,092
- Hi.
- Hi.
602
00:33:34,271 --> 00:33:35,849
- What do you need?
- You called me.
603
00:33:36,023 --> 00:33:37,979
Yes, I did. Well...
604
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:41,067
...Toby made the remark in response
to some new polling data.
605
00:33:41,236 --> 00:33:43,727
It was offhand.
Obviously, he meant it as a joke...
606
00:33:43,905 --> 00:33:45,731
...and he regrets it.
- Okay.
607
00:33:45,907 --> 00:33:48,908
- He'll be happy to go on-the-record.
- No, that's all right.
608
00:33:49,076 --> 00:33:51,448
- What do you mean?
- I don't need him.
609
00:33:51,621 --> 00:33:54,538
- You won't let Toby explain himself?
- I'm not writing it.
610
00:33:54,707 --> 00:33:57,957
- Why not?
- It's not news.
611
00:33:58,126 --> 00:34:00,499
- Really?
- Yeah.
612
00:34:00,670 --> 00:34:02,579
Okay.
613
00:34:02,755 --> 00:34:04,665
I'll see you in there.
614
00:34:05,967 --> 00:34:08,422
- You weren't joking before, were you?
- When?
615
00:34:08,636 --> 00:34:10,178
- When you said...
- No.
616
00:34:11,388 --> 00:34:15,433
- Why do you think this is a bad beat?
- I don't like being a stenographer.
617
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,009
And I don't like writing gossip.
618
00:34:19,104 --> 00:34:23,730
I read a column where a lady bemoaned
the decade of scandals she covered...
619
00:34:23,901 --> 00:34:27,600
...as if the news was to blame
for the quality of journalism.
620
00:34:27,779 --> 00:34:31,728
I don't know if there's ever been a more
important time to be good at what I do.
621
00:34:31,908 --> 00:34:34,114
Can you imagine how much
I don't give a damn...
622
00:34:34,285 --> 00:34:36,443
...about what Toby said to a staffer?
623
00:34:36,621 --> 00:34:38,281
Yeah.
624
00:34:39,331 --> 00:34:40,991
All right.
625
00:34:42,668 --> 00:34:44,495
You can sit anywhere you want.
626
00:34:47,214 --> 00:34:50,214
A hundred and thirty-nine countries
have signed.
627
00:34:50,383 --> 00:34:53,384
Thirty-five have ratified.
Once 60 ratify, that's the ballgame.
628
00:34:53,553 --> 00:34:55,629
- You want to be left out?
- Absolutely.
629
00:34:55,847 --> 00:34:59,630
- This'll raise 19 kinds of hell in Congress.
- What doesn't?
630
00:34:59,808 --> 00:35:03,806
There are already extreme Republicans
who are attaching amendments to bills...
631
00:35:03,979 --> 00:35:07,312
...cutting off military aid to any
NATO member that signs the treaty.
632
00:35:07,483 --> 00:35:10,234
- That won't happen.
- And committing the U. S...
633
00:35:10,402 --> 00:35:14,067
...to forcibly rescue any American
soldier held and tried in such a court.
634
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,147
Leo, this commits the United States
to a scenario...
635
00:35:18,326 --> 00:35:20,117
...where we'd be invading Holland.
636
00:35:20,328 --> 00:35:22,451
How much of this is about
hedging our bets?
637
00:35:22,621 --> 00:35:25,113
- It's not...
- We set up Nuremberg!
638
00:35:25,291 --> 00:35:28,909
We set up the Tokyo War Crimes Trial.
And that was fine.
639
00:35:29,086 --> 00:35:31,920
Until we realized the Cold War threat
would take precedence.
640
00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:36,080
So when the German rocket scientists
came here to help us get into space...
641
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:37,333
Oh, please.
642
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:40,512
...we looked the other way while
SS officers followed right behind...
643
00:35:40,723 --> 00:35:43,556
...protected by American
intelligence services...
644
00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:48,552
...because they were gonna help us
with the communists. Oh, please, Alan.
645
00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:53,557
So how much of this
is hedging our bets?
646
00:36:01,533 --> 00:36:04,403
You remember
Operation Rolling Thunder?
647
00:36:05,954 --> 00:36:07,911
Yeah. I think I do. Yeah.
648
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,698
- September, 1966.
- Yeah.
649
00:36:11,876 --> 00:36:16,288
You were piloting
an F-105 Fighterchief.
650
00:36:17,006 --> 00:36:20,753
This was our first unit, the 355th
Tactical Fighter Wing out of Thailand.
651
00:36:21,552 --> 00:36:25,502
I was forward air commander.
I gave you your directions.
652
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,176
"From IP, heading 273
for 10.5 miles...
653
00:36:30,351 --> 00:36:33,139
...your target is north-south
running bridge over river...
654
00:36:33,313 --> 00:36:37,606
...1 kilometer to the tree line
running east-west."
655
00:36:37,775 --> 00:36:39,268
Yeah.
656
00:36:42,154 --> 00:36:44,775
- It was a military target.
- It was a civilian target.
657
00:36:44,948 --> 00:36:47,439
It was a dam.
There were 11 civilian casualties.
658
00:37:03,924 --> 00:37:05,299
Why did you tell me that?
659
00:37:05,926 --> 00:37:08,843
Because you could be charged
and tried for a war crime.
660
00:37:23,650 --> 00:37:27,185
Why did you tell me that?
661
00:37:29,782 --> 00:37:32,486
All wars are crimes.
662
00:37:47,507 --> 00:37:50,957
- We've been here a while.
- Yeah.
663
00:37:51,135 --> 00:37:53,257
- Maybe we'll call it a day, huh?
- Yeah.
664
00:37:54,597 --> 00:37:57,087
I'll get you some time
with the president this week.
665
00:37:59,308 --> 00:38:01,384
I'd appreciate that.
666
00:38:04,521 --> 00:38:05,850
Thank you.
667
00:38:09,986 --> 00:38:11,609
Thank you.
668
00:38:28,502 --> 00:38:31,539
- Can I ask a question out of curiosity?
- Yes, sir.
669
00:38:31,714 --> 00:38:35,877
If guns are meant to deter the threat
of crime, why conceal them?
670
00:38:36,051 --> 00:38:39,585
I mean, wouldn't you want the criminal
to see that you've got a gun?
671
00:38:39,763 --> 00:38:42,336
- I suppose you would.
- Then what's the answer to that?
672
00:38:42,516 --> 00:38:43,760
I really don't know, sir.
673
00:38:43,976 --> 00:38:45,256
- You don't know?
- No, sir.
674
00:38:45,476 --> 00:38:48,228
The concern is with the threat
to the Second Amendment.
675
00:38:48,438 --> 00:38:52,980
We can't agree it's a stupid amendment
written before there were street lamps...
676
00:38:53,192 --> 00:38:55,648
...and police forces, and move on?
- Sir.
677
00:38:55,819 --> 00:38:58,025
There's no need for a citizen militia.
678
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,148
- I agree with you.
- Then say so.
679
00:39:00,365 --> 00:39:03,532
Forty percent of Americans
have a gun in their home.
680
00:39:03,743 --> 00:39:07,362
Only 16 percent believe gun ownership
is an absolute right.
681
00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:10,036
Only 9 percent believe
it's an absolute wrong.
682
00:39:10,208 --> 00:39:11,786
There's a middle.
We can win them.
683
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,952
Not when we're running
the MS defense.
684
00:39:14,127 --> 00:39:16,665
Which we wouldn't
have been doing if...
685
00:39:18,257 --> 00:39:20,830
- If what, sir?
- Nothing.
686
00:39:21,051 --> 00:39:23,757
- Sir...
- You outed me, John.
687
00:39:23,929 --> 00:39:26,681
With that trip to Nashua,
with the oil companies.
688
00:39:26,891 --> 00:39:29,262
You wanted people to start
asking questions.
689
00:39:29,434 --> 00:39:32,933
I needed to start running because
nobody told me that I wasn't!
690
00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:35,476
And you announced
that I found out on television!
691
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:36,804
So did my wife.
692
00:39:37,024 --> 00:39:38,898
This thing was mismanaged.
It was blown!
693
00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:41,233
- Yes, it was.
- Yes, it was.
694
00:39:47,034 --> 00:39:49,191
Not easy being my vice president,
is it?
695
00:39:50,788 --> 00:39:52,163
No, sir.
696
00:39:53,789 --> 00:39:56,079
I wouldn't think so.
697
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,581
But it's the only way you're gonna get
the nomination. You know that, right?
698
00:40:04,758 --> 00:40:08,174
- If I win.
- Yeah.
699
00:40:08,887 --> 00:40:13,465
And the only way you're gonna win
is if I'm on the ticket.
700
00:40:13,642 --> 00:40:16,975
- You know that, don't you, sir?
- Yeah.
701
00:40:18,981 --> 00:40:20,439
You'll go to Texas?
702
00:40:23,318 --> 00:40:26,187
- I want a seat at the table.
- Yeah.
703
00:40:29,448 --> 00:40:30,943
- Mr. President?
- Yeah.
704
00:40:31,117 --> 00:40:33,607
- They're ready in the Briefing Room.
- Thank you.
705
00:40:37,164 --> 00:40:39,620
- I'll be back in my office.
- Yeah.
706
00:40:39,833 --> 00:40:42,288
- Is there anything else, sir?
- No.
707
00:40:42,668 --> 00:40:44,708
Thank you, Mr. President.
708
00:41:24,082 --> 00:41:28,080
There's a coffee shop across the street.
You'll read it there. You got an hour.
709
00:41:30,421 --> 00:41:32,462
I haven't read it.
710
00:41:32,632 --> 00:41:35,965
But if anything bothers you,
you'll issue a subpoena in the morning.
711
00:41:36,136 --> 00:41:40,264
You'll have it back before the end
of the day. If not, that's that.
712
00:41:40,973 --> 00:41:43,298
- Yeah.
- If I read any of this in the newspaper...
713
00:41:43,518 --> 00:41:46,351
...or anything happens I don't like...
714
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,892
...I've got the entries
for October 4 and 5.
715
00:41:49,106 --> 00:41:51,393
What's October 4 and 5?
716
00:41:52,984 --> 00:41:54,229
You.
717
00:41:55,821 --> 00:41:57,065
That's fair.
718
00:42:00,825 --> 00:42:02,069
Thank you.
719
00:42:33,939 --> 00:42:36,644
It's starting to get cold already.
720
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:45,208
It's gonna be fine.
721
00:42:45,208 --> 00:42:46,453
It's gonna be fine.
722
00:42:47,305 --> 00:42:53,378
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