1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,224 Previously on The West Wing: 2 00:00:07,393 --> 00:00:10,179 This morning's finance report, 8.2 million cash in hand. 3 00:00:10,353 --> 00:00:12,345 -Ought to buy a few lawn signs. -And lawns. 4 00:00:12,522 --> 00:00:17,266 I'm just confused about who the viable candidate is when Russell's gone. 5 00:00:17,442 --> 00:00:19,849 I'm gonna win this thing, Toby. 6 00:00:20,486 --> 00:00:23,236 Get into camo gear, sling a 12-gauge over your shoulder. . . 7 00:00:23,404 --> 00:00:25,895 -. . .get a few photos for the AP. -With a gun? 8 00:00:26,073 --> 00:00:27,946 You were a Marine. You can shoot, right? 9 00:00:28,116 --> 00:00:31,069 Yeah, a 20 mm chain gun, but it might be hard on the pheasant. 10 00:00:31,285 --> 00:00:34,404 Don't you actually wanna get some votes in one of these states? 11 00:00:37,122 --> 00:00:40,455 When's the last time a politician answered a question he didn't like? 12 00:00:40,625 --> 00:00:44,123 -You saying the debate shouldn't matter? -I'm saying it should be better. 13 00:00:44,294 --> 00:00:47,911 Look, we're practically teaching media evasion in kindergarten now. 14 00:00:48,088 --> 00:00:51,752 "Teacher, the issue isn't whether I pinched Dorothy during milk and cookies. 15 00:00:51,924 --> 00:00:54,878 The American people are more concerned with new nap mats. . . 16 00:00:55,052 --> 00:00:56,843 . . .and I got a six-point plan. " 17 00:00:57,011 --> 00:00:59,502 Politicians turn them into pumpkin-judging contests. 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,008 Oh, yeah. Sometimes, sure. 19 00:01:01,181 --> 00:01:02,924 But it's also the rules of the game. 20 00:01:03,099 --> 00:01:06,432 Look, we've got one more debate before this New Hampshire primary. 21 00:01:06,602 --> 00:01:09,518 Do we really want another joint photo op. . . 22 00:01:09,729 --> 00:01:12,931 . . .another 90-second sound bite followed by a 60-second sound bite? 23 00:01:13,106 --> 00:01:14,648 A beauty pageant without beauty? 24 00:01:14,857 --> 00:01:16,766 I think you're beautiful. 25 00:01:16,942 --> 00:01:19,646 Maybe I'm working against myself, but the Dover Herald. . . 26 00:01:19,819 --> 00:01:23,152 . . .they're announcing their debate rules. I've been banging on them. 27 00:01:23,322 --> 00:01:24,650 Let's make it a real debate. 28 00:01:24,823 --> 00:01:28,155 A debate where all seven Democrats get to cross-examine each other. 29 00:01:28,325 --> 00:01:30,863 Where we get to answer questions, like it or not. 30 00:01:31,077 --> 00:01:33,484 Politicians never answer questions they don't like. 31 00:01:33,662 --> 00:01:37,113 So we hook ourselves up to electrodes. Crossfire meets Clockwork Orange. 32 00:01:37,749 --> 00:01:39,741 I don't understand the wooden eggs. 33 00:01:39,917 --> 00:01:42,205 Politics and Eggs, that's the name of the forum. 34 00:01:42,377 --> 00:01:45,792 -You ever tried signing a wooden egg? -Granite State tradition. 35 00:01:45,963 --> 00:01:49,627 -Like the actual voting. Your speech? -What about wooden slices of toast? 36 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:52,834 -You get traction with your pen. -You're doing a modified stump. 37 00:01:53,009 --> 00:01:56,508 We beefed up the foreign policy because of these Pakistani nuclear sales. 38 00:01:56,679 --> 00:01:58,089 -Sound bite's in bold. -Fine. 39 00:01:58,263 --> 00:02:00,386 Then you can sign wooden nuclear reactors. 40 00:02:00,556 --> 00:02:03,177 I think I should open with the VP seal joke. Donna? 41 00:02:03,350 --> 00:02:06,303 It's a hilarious joke that's been hilarious 147 times, sir. 42 00:02:06,477 --> 00:02:09,596 -I've never done this forum. -These people were at other forums. 43 00:02:09,771 --> 00:02:12,096 Next week they'll be at the forum on forums. 44 00:02:12,273 --> 00:02:15,024 They're almost done with your introduction, sir. 45 00:02:15,692 --> 00:02:17,933 Okay. I'm gonna open with the VP seal joke. 46 00:02:18,111 --> 00:02:20,815 Pound the foreign policy, you can tell knock-knock jokes. 47 00:02:20,988 --> 00:02:25,897 Our guest at this morning's Politics and Eggs, Vice President Bob Russell. 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:33,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 49 00:02:34,414 --> 00:02:37,414 Thank you, gentlemen. In case the kitchen staff is wondering. . . 50 00:02:37,583 --> 00:02:40,334 . . .I like my wooden eggs sawed in half and scrambled. 51 00:02:42,670 --> 00:02:45,789 -It is a great pleasure. . . . -They announced rules for the debate. 52 00:02:45,964 --> 00:02:48,288 Don't tell me they're doing this Santos nonsense. 53 00:02:48,465 --> 00:02:51,715 -Thumb wrestling if you misuse a stat. -No, pretty thumb-free. 54 00:02:51,885 --> 00:02:56,177 --the vice president, and I will tell you what I like best about that seal. 55 00:02:57,889 --> 00:03:02,466 If you close your left eye and squint really hard and tilt your head just so. . . 56 00:03:02,642 --> 00:03:07,219 . . .it reads a lot like "president of the United States. " 57 00:03:07,562 --> 00:03:09,435 Trade launch codes for a seltzer bottle. 58 00:03:09,605 --> 00:03:11,147 -Vaudeville. -This is important. 59 00:03:11,315 --> 00:03:14,648 They're putting the vice president on-stage with six also-rans. 60 00:03:14,817 --> 00:03:18,232 -Believe me, this debate isn't important. -See, that's the thing. 61 00:03:18,612 --> 00:03:21,647 Every year health-care reform has been on the national agenda. 62 00:03:21,822 --> 00:03:23,400 Whether we've passed it or not. . . 63 00:03:23,574 --> 00:03:26,657 . . .private insurers have kept their premium increases down. 64 00:03:26,826 --> 00:03:29,577 So, yeah, it ought to be part of the debate. 65 00:03:29,745 --> 00:03:32,152 -Thanks. -Thank you. 66 00:03:34,081 --> 00:03:38,576 Any news on this Pakistani nuclear sale to Nigeria? 67 00:03:38,751 --> 00:03:42,084 -Pakistan's trying to backpedal. -We ought to put out some statement. 68 00:03:42,254 --> 00:03:45,170 No one's asking, but sure. 69 00:03:46,173 --> 00:03:52,459 We need to lead toward a world that's free, prosperous and also nuclear-free. 70 00:03:52,636 --> 00:03:55,007 -That's good. -Second set starts at 9. 71 00:03:55,179 --> 00:03:56,887 I have some bad news. 72 00:03:57,056 --> 00:03:58,466 -How bad? -Bad. 73 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,679 The Herald decided to use old debate rules. 74 00:04:00,850 --> 00:04:03,554 Russell and Hoynes made a huge media buy out of Boston. 75 00:04:03,727 --> 00:04:07,060 Close to 1800 gross ratings points each. 76 00:04:07,230 --> 00:04:09,802 -Eighteen hundred points? -It's an ad war. 77 00:04:09,982 --> 00:04:13,100 An ad apocalypse. I don't know where they're getting the money. . . 78 00:04:13,276 --> 00:04:16,026 -. . .but we don't have it. -We ought to ban ads altogether. 79 00:04:16,194 --> 00:04:17,522 Screw the First Amendment. 80 00:04:17,695 --> 00:04:21,443 Well, constitutionality aside, New Hampshire votes in five days. 81 00:04:21,656 --> 00:04:25,439 The airwaves are gonna be Russell, Hoynes and reruns of I Love Lucy. 82 00:04:25,618 --> 00:04:28,155 We need to change the dynamic, or we're finished. 83 00:04:28,370 --> 00:04:30,362 -We need a silver bullet. -A silver bullet? 84 00:04:30,538 --> 00:04:34,486 An ad that'll vault us out of the second tier, turn this campaign on its head. 85 00:04:34,707 --> 00:04:36,082 -Go deeper into debt. -No. 86 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:39,452 But we can scrape together enough to buy one minute of prime time. 87 00:04:39,711 --> 00:04:41,335 One minute against 1800 points? 88 00:04:41,504 --> 00:04:44,338 One minute that is so gutsy. . . 89 00:04:44,506 --> 00:04:46,545 . . .so edgy, so different. . . 90 00:04:46,716 --> 00:04:49,253 . . .that it'll be replayed for free on every newscast. 91 00:04:49,593 --> 00:04:52,676 -What's the ad? -Working on it. 92 00:04:55,722 --> 00:04:57,382 You go on and buy that airtime. 93 00:04:57,557 --> 00:04:59,679 Hi. Matt Santos. 94 00:04:59,892 --> 00:05:01,551 -I'm running for president. -Hi. 95 00:05:01,727 --> 00:05:03,304 Anything on the debate rules? 96 00:05:03,478 --> 00:05:06,810 No interaction, no cross-examination. It's everything we didn't want. 97 00:05:06,980 --> 00:05:08,688 -But-- -Debate's gonna be a wash. 98 00:05:08,857 --> 00:05:10,350 No one's gonna watch. It's-- 99 00:05:10,524 --> 00:05:13,441 Everyone's calling it The Return of the Seven Dwarves. 100 00:05:13,610 --> 00:05:15,898 -Two dwarves. -Seven. The one with the big nose. 101 00:05:16,070 --> 00:05:18,276 -Gave me nightmares. -Only Hoynes and Russell. 102 00:05:18,447 --> 00:05:20,771 They limited it to candidates polling 20 percent. 103 00:05:20,990 --> 00:05:23,943 The Herald says they're the only ones that could win. 104 00:05:24,409 --> 00:05:27,991 You guys are already working on that silver bullet, huh? 105 00:06:19,115 --> 00:06:20,774 If only frontrunners can debate. . . 106 00:06:20,949 --> 00:06:23,653 . . .why not bar the rest of us from the ballot altogether? 107 00:06:23,826 --> 00:06:26,780 If New Hampshire has suddenly become the Soviet Republic. . . 108 00:06:26,954 --> 00:06:29,159 -. . .go all the way. -We're gonna get in this. 109 00:06:29,330 --> 00:06:32,330 They can't shut two-thirds of the field out of a debate. 110 00:06:32,499 --> 00:06:34,906 Oh, come on. Don't even call it a debate. 111 00:06:35,126 --> 00:06:38,375 What do voters learn from 90 seconds of canned blather. . . 112 00:06:38,545 --> 00:06:40,336 . . .followed by 60 seconds of blather? 113 00:06:40,797 --> 00:06:42,540 Timing, I suppose. 114 00:06:42,715 --> 00:06:45,549 Look, there's a serious legal argument to be made here. 115 00:06:45,717 --> 00:06:49,500 This could be seen as an illegal contribution to both Hoynes and Russell. 116 00:06:49,678 --> 00:06:51,006 I know the case law. 117 00:06:51,179 --> 00:06:54,761 We get a team of election lawyers, we storm the district court. 118 00:06:54,932 --> 00:06:56,639 I don't wanna sue my way into this. 119 00:06:56,808 --> 00:06:59,263 Shame the Herald, kick up a huge cloud of dust. 120 00:06:59,435 --> 00:07:03,218 -Maybe the court stops the debate. -I don't wanna stop it, I wanna get in it. 121 00:07:03,396 --> 00:07:05,104 The publisher won't meet with us. 122 00:07:05,272 --> 00:07:07,430 I couldn't get past the copy desk. 123 00:07:14,779 --> 00:07:17,779 Do you think the vice president really wants to go. . . 124 00:07:17,948 --> 00:07:22,241 -. . .mano a mano with John Hoynes? -No. 125 00:07:23,577 --> 00:07:26,411 Why elevate the number-two mano in a crowded field? 126 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,486 Maybe Russell will meet the publisher with us. 127 00:07:29,665 --> 00:07:32,618 Demand a full and fair debate. 128 00:07:35,711 --> 00:07:38,283 Get Will Bailey on the phone. 129 00:07:38,463 --> 00:07:42,708 And call that postproduction shop in Nashua. 130 00:07:42,882 --> 00:07:44,756 We need them open late. 131 00:07:44,926 --> 00:07:46,633 We're gonna make a TV ad. 132 00:07:46,927 --> 00:07:51,255 I got a letter from an 8-year-old girl in Portsmouth who said, and I quote: 133 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:54,880 "You are the greatest vice president of my time. " 134 00:07:55,058 --> 00:07:56,682 Now, I'm not making this up. 135 00:07:56,851 --> 00:07:58,261 Thanks for your time, folks. 136 00:07:58,435 --> 00:08:00,392 -Have a good day. -Thank you. 137 00:08:02,313 --> 00:08:03,688 A two-man debate? 138 00:08:03,856 --> 00:08:05,646 I told you the Herald was for Hoynes. 139 00:08:05,815 --> 00:08:09,349 They'll be denouncing me for not giving him flier miles on Air Force Two. 140 00:08:09,526 --> 00:08:11,814 -Josh Lyman just called. -He can have your job. 141 00:08:11,986 --> 00:08:13,646 Today, I think he'd take it. 142 00:08:13,821 --> 00:08:16,490 As long as he fakes my signature on 300 wooden eggs. 143 00:08:16,656 --> 00:08:20,320 Santos wants you to go to the Herald, say if all candidates aren't invited. . . 144 00:08:20,492 --> 00:08:22,780 . . .you'll stay home and scramble those eggs alone. 145 00:08:22,952 --> 00:08:24,743 I can't look like I'm ducking Hoynes. 146 00:08:24,954 --> 00:08:27,824 Stand with Santos, Hoynes looks like he's ducking the field. 147 00:08:27,998 --> 00:08:29,408 What about his debate rules? 148 00:08:29,582 --> 00:08:32,618 We want the seven dwarves to be able to take direct shots at me? 149 00:08:32,793 --> 00:08:34,287 You realize you're one of them. 150 00:08:34,461 --> 00:08:37,496 -There are seven candidates. -There must have been a head dwarf. 151 00:08:37,671 --> 00:08:39,959 That'd be Snow White. Not what we're going for. 152 00:08:40,131 --> 00:08:43,297 Forget Santos' rules. He'll be grateful just to get on that stage. 153 00:08:43,467 --> 00:08:45,542 The more dwarves we have up there. . . 154 00:08:45,719 --> 00:08:48,387 . . .the smaller John Hoynes is gonna look. 155 00:08:48,721 --> 00:08:50,796 Will and I choreographed this whole meeting. 156 00:08:50,972 --> 00:08:52,799 -Okay. -Let Russell do the talking. 157 00:08:52,974 --> 00:08:54,966 Frontrunner. It should come from him. 158 00:08:55,142 --> 00:08:58,142 -Fine. -You can bob your head appreciatively. 159 00:08:58,603 --> 00:09:01,354 I've been thinking about debate prep. Hi. 160 00:09:01,521 --> 00:09:03,976 You were right. We should bring in someone to help. 161 00:09:04,148 --> 00:09:06,271 -I'll make some calls. -I've called already. 162 00:09:06,442 --> 00:09:08,350 -Who? -Someone I know from the Hill. 163 00:09:08,526 --> 00:09:11,064 For performance stuff. Eye-clicking, things like that. 164 00:09:11,237 --> 00:09:13,809 -Eye-clicking? -Yeah, things like that. 165 00:09:19,409 --> 00:09:21,781 -Mr. Lowell. -Congressman. Welcome to the Herald. 166 00:09:21,953 --> 00:09:23,281 -Mr. Vice President. -Matt. 167 00:09:23,454 --> 00:09:26,026 You've come a long way since House Administration. 168 00:09:26,206 --> 00:09:29,538 The vice president and I served on the House Administration Committee. 169 00:09:29,708 --> 00:09:31,036 Siberia of committees. 170 00:09:31,209 --> 00:09:33,913 Non-binding resolutions to limit non-binding resolutions. 171 00:09:34,086 --> 00:09:36,577 -That one was binding. -Must have been some time ago. 172 00:09:36,755 --> 00:09:39,838 -Yeah, I think it was back in-- -Two years ago, actually. 173 00:09:40,007 --> 00:09:41,335 Well, I'll be frank. 174 00:09:41,508 --> 00:09:44,757 We're five days away from the primary, two away from the debate. 175 00:09:44,927 --> 00:09:47,050 No offense, you're not gonna be the nominee. 176 00:09:47,512 --> 00:09:50,466 How does it serve the voters to clutter up the stage? 177 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,130 I'm sure Fidel Castro would agree. 178 00:09:53,725 --> 00:09:57,389 Mackey, you're trying to do the right thing, but it's downright undemocratic. 179 00:09:57,603 --> 00:10:01,896 My lawyers tell me that it could be an illegal contribution to the campaigns. 180 00:10:02,064 --> 00:10:06,476 Without the full field, I don't think I can participate. 181 00:10:06,693 --> 00:10:09,148 The people want another debate, Mr. Vice President. 182 00:10:09,361 --> 00:10:11,982 I agree. I was thinking of having my own. 183 00:10:12,155 --> 00:10:14,313 Invite the full field. 184 00:10:14,490 --> 00:10:18,985 -Who needs the Dover Herald? -All seven Democrats. 185 00:10:19,327 --> 00:10:20,986 Right as rain, Mackey. 186 00:10:21,161 --> 00:10:23,948 We should also take a minute to discuss format. 187 00:10:24,122 --> 00:10:26,030 These can be better, not just bigger. 188 00:10:26,206 --> 00:10:28,412 We saw what happened in the New Jersey debates. 189 00:10:28,625 --> 00:10:30,831 Are we talking about the rules you proposed? 190 00:10:31,002 --> 00:10:34,370 Don't we want this to be truly democratic, with real back-and-forth? 191 00:10:34,546 --> 00:10:36,953 Each candidate has to answer the questions. . . 192 00:10:37,131 --> 00:10:39,668 . . .not just another seven-stump-speech collision. 193 00:10:39,841 --> 00:10:43,458 Well, I'm all for mixing it up, but if we proposed a debate like that. . . 194 00:10:43,636 --> 00:10:46,885 -. . .no one would agree to it. -What do you say, Mr. Vice President? 195 00:10:47,055 --> 00:10:52,344 A real debate, with all of the candidates truly engaging on the issues. 196 00:10:53,184 --> 00:10:54,678 -Great. -Terrific. 197 00:10:54,852 --> 00:10:59,394 I have to talk to my editorial board, but I will take it to John Hoynes. 198 00:10:59,772 --> 00:11:02,227 -Matt. -Mr. Vice President. 199 00:11:03,316 --> 00:11:05,522 Thank you very much, Mr. Lowell. 200 00:11:06,777 --> 00:11:09,777 Who do you think wanted to limit non-binding resolutions? 201 00:11:09,946 --> 00:11:11,356 That did go a bit off plan. 202 00:11:11,530 --> 00:11:13,902 I won't be a punching bag for Hoynes and Santos. . . 203 00:11:14,074 --> 00:11:16,742 . . .and every welterweight who wants a quick tabloid hit. 204 00:11:16,909 --> 00:11:20,526 -I'll call Mackey and revisit the format. -I threatened legal action. 205 00:11:20,703 --> 00:11:23,538 I'll say if they're using Santos' format, we won't debate. 206 00:11:23,706 --> 00:11:25,994 You tell him we'll pay for the debate ourselves. 207 00:11:26,166 --> 00:11:27,624 Me and Hoynes, Herald rules. 208 00:11:27,792 --> 00:11:30,662 And no one can say it's an illegal contribution, anyway. 209 00:11:30,836 --> 00:11:34,619 Now, I didn't come here to be a guest lecturer in Matt Santos' etiquette class. 210 00:11:35,422 --> 00:11:37,130 Yeah. 211 00:11:37,507 --> 00:11:41,089 Okay, so we're back to a two-man debate. Thanks. 212 00:11:44,846 --> 00:11:47,964 You did push the rules business a little hard. 213 00:11:48,181 --> 00:11:52,474 I don't know how anyone's helped by us spewing out poll-tested pablum. 214 00:11:52,684 --> 00:11:55,435 We're not trying to help anyone, we're trying to help you. 215 00:11:55,603 --> 00:11:57,642 Spoken like a true Athenian. 216 00:11:57,855 --> 00:12:00,345 So I guess we cancel the debate prep, huh? 217 00:12:00,523 --> 00:12:01,982 No. Move ahead with it. 218 00:12:02,733 --> 00:12:05,437 -For a debate we're not even in. -We have to get in. 219 00:12:05,610 --> 00:12:09,559 -I got two lawyers working on a brief. -You're on this illegal contribution jag? 220 00:12:09,738 --> 00:12:12,608 Even if Russell paid, he's still using the Herald's name. . . 221 00:12:12,782 --> 00:12:15,699 . . .getting a mountain of free media. How is that not illegal? 222 00:12:15,868 --> 00:12:18,702 I am not taking this to court, Josh. 223 00:12:26,917 --> 00:12:28,660 We could try the Bob Russell thing. 224 00:12:28,877 --> 00:12:31,165 Get a bad haircut and break ties in the Senate? 225 00:12:31,379 --> 00:12:33,371 -Hold our own debate. -Me and my mirror. 226 00:12:33,547 --> 00:12:35,752 We rent the hall across from the main debate. 227 00:12:35,923 --> 00:12:38,129 You personally invite all the other candidates. 228 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:42,249 We'd stir up the good-government groups, editorial writers, local activists. 229 00:12:42,428 --> 00:12:45,630 Because the Dover Herald doesn't decide who's a viable candidate. . . 230 00:12:45,805 --> 00:12:48,924 -. . .for the highest office. -Frank Capra, eat your heart out. 231 00:12:49,141 --> 00:12:52,474 -Can we use my debate rules? -You can use whatever rules you want. 232 00:12:52,644 --> 00:12:53,972 Just get ready to debate. 233 00:12:59,065 --> 00:13:01,140 We're gonna run this in about 600 points. 234 00:13:01,358 --> 00:13:04,442 Very effective with swing-twos in the mall test. 235 00:13:07,446 --> 00:13:10,280 I'm Bob Russell, and I approve this ad. 236 00:13:10,448 --> 00:13:11,906 In the United States Senate... 237 00:13:12,074 --> 00:13:15,774 ...John Hoynes had an 84 percent NRA voting record. 238 00:13:15,952 --> 00:13:18,524 Now he claims he'll crack down on handguns. 239 00:13:19,121 --> 00:13:20,912 As vice president, Hoynes praised... 240 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,199 ...Pakistan 's defense minister as a bold thinker. 241 00:13:24,374 --> 00:13:28,288 So bold he may now be selling nuclear secrets to Nigeria. 242 00:13:28,502 --> 00:13:31,337 You can 't take America 's side by taking both sides. 243 00:13:31,504 --> 00:13:33,959 John Hoynes. Whose side is he on? 244 00:13:34,131 --> 00:13:36,040 You sure we should run this? 245 00:13:36,258 --> 00:13:39,341 Wanna see his ad on your Colorado mining connections again? 246 00:13:39,510 --> 00:13:41,383 Hello? 247 00:13:41,845 --> 00:13:43,469 Matt Santos, for the veep. 248 00:13:44,889 --> 00:13:46,383 He's tied up. 249 00:13:47,474 --> 00:13:49,265 I don't get why our ads are negative. 250 00:13:49,434 --> 00:13:52,766 I get it, but we're the frontrunner. Do they have to be that negative? 251 00:13:52,936 --> 00:13:55,142 We need to work up some q & a for the debate. 252 00:13:55,313 --> 00:13:57,471 Wanna grab dinner later? 253 00:13:58,482 --> 00:14:00,308 You're--? Are you asking me to dinner? 254 00:14:00,525 --> 00:14:03,893 -We've had dinner four nights in a row. -You never asked. We just went. 255 00:14:04,069 --> 00:14:07,982 Who else am I gonna have dinner with? Everyone else is 14 and irons their jeans. 256 00:14:08,155 --> 00:14:09,614 -Fine. -Great. 257 00:14:09,782 --> 00:14:13,778 I need one-pagers on domestic policy and NSC guidance on Pakistan. 258 00:14:13,951 --> 00:14:15,778 Thanks. 259 00:14:16,411 --> 00:14:19,364 So you wanna grab dinner later? 260 00:14:20,247 --> 00:14:21,907 Sure. 261 00:14:23,124 --> 00:14:27,868 Just set it up like a real debate. Seven podiums, a table for the moderator. 262 00:14:28,045 --> 00:14:30,617 When we get to headquarters, we'll draft a statement. 263 00:14:30,796 --> 00:14:33,168 -We'll miss debate prep. -Santos is gonna work. . . 264 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:36,542 -. . .with a guy I'm bringing in. -Smart of you to widen the team. 265 00:14:36,717 --> 00:14:38,211 Thanks. What we're gonna do. . . 266 00:14:38,385 --> 00:14:41,338 . . .is start a massive public-relations crusade. 267 00:14:41,512 --> 00:14:43,303 -Tonight? -Do you have that list. . . 268 00:14:43,472 --> 00:14:45,464 -. . .of opinion makers? -Oh, yeah. 269 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,391 We're gonna call every political reporter in this state. . . 270 00:14:48,559 --> 00:14:52,057 . . .every party leader, every PTA recording secretary. 271 00:14:52,228 --> 00:14:55,643 Tell them we're holding our own debate. The Herald's debate is a sham. 272 00:14:55,814 --> 00:14:58,221 You really believe anyone's gonna cover our debate? 273 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:00,226 Ours is a Trojan debate. Won't happen. 274 00:15:00,401 --> 00:15:03,567 We're gonna turn public opinion so they let us in the main debate. 275 00:15:03,737 --> 00:15:05,729 -That'll work? -lf I wanted your opinion. . . 276 00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:09,355 . . .I would stick you in a focus group in southern Missouri. 277 00:15:09,532 --> 00:15:11,524 -The ad. -I don't understand that either. 278 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:14,903 Hey, we're broke, okay? We can't afford a huge, glitzy ad buy. . . 279 00:15:15,078 --> 00:15:18,576 . . .so we run something feisty, funny, out of the box. 280 00:15:18,747 --> 00:15:22,198 Turns our one minute of prime time into a national sensation. 281 00:15:22,583 --> 00:15:25,951 Santos on skates, wearing a goalie outfit, pledging to defend America. 282 00:15:26,586 --> 00:15:29,835 -Closer to the box than that. -Well, what's the message? 283 00:15:30,005 --> 00:15:33,207 How about our exclusion from the debates? Let's try that. 284 00:15:33,383 --> 00:15:37,296 What do we do? Film chicken coops and say they're too chicken to debate us? 285 00:15:39,012 --> 00:15:41,762 I want two volunteers. I want them in giant chicken suits. 286 00:15:41,930 --> 00:15:44,006 In my office first thing in the morning. 287 00:15:44,182 --> 00:15:46,055 -Chicken suits. -He's gonna like this? 288 00:15:46,225 --> 00:15:51,598 He's gonna like what keeps him in the race. But let's not, you know, tell him. 289 00:15:53,855 --> 00:15:55,847 Feisty. 290 00:15:57,441 --> 00:16:01,189 Play around with the poultry theme. 291 00:16:13,369 --> 00:16:15,361 Hi. 292 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,617 -Hi. -Little cold for ice cream, isn't it? 293 00:16:19,790 --> 00:16:22,660 I mean, you could have bought just cream. 294 00:16:23,084 --> 00:16:24,578 I embrace the cold. 295 00:16:25,461 --> 00:16:27,667 -Okay. -I luxuriate in the cold. 296 00:16:27,838 --> 00:16:30,328 -Can I ask you--? -I fight cold with more cold. 297 00:16:30,548 --> 00:16:33,003 -What are you doing here? -I could ask the same. . . 298 00:16:33,175 --> 00:16:36,258 . . .but in your case, it's more of an existential question. 299 00:16:36,469 --> 00:16:40,168 When I want dark, depressing thoughts about alienation, I watch cable news. 300 00:16:40,472 --> 00:16:42,179 That's funny. 301 00:16:42,348 --> 00:16:43,925 -You're funny. -Know what's funny? 302 00:16:44,141 --> 00:16:47,639 You didn't call me before you gave that speech at the Shorenstein Center. 303 00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:50,976 I run the Women's Majority Fund. I make hundreds of speeches. 304 00:16:51,146 --> 00:16:52,937 Trashing the entire Democratic field? 305 00:16:53,106 --> 00:16:55,643 Saying we're gonna lose before we even have a nominee? 306 00:16:55,858 --> 00:16:58,977 -I was throwing down a gauntlet. -Where I'm from, it's littering. 307 00:16:59,152 --> 00:17:01,108 The field's pathetic. Not one can take. . . 308 00:17:01,278 --> 00:17:04,693 . . .the Republicans. I called them the seven dwarves for a reason. 309 00:17:04,864 --> 00:17:07,817 I'm not gonna get into an argument about whether size matters. 310 00:17:08,408 --> 00:17:11,159 I'm here in the trenches, running a one-man show. . . 311 00:17:11,327 --> 00:17:13,615 . . .and I'm sick of Democrats eating their young. 312 00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:16,533 Wash them down with a little Rocky Road, it's not so bad. 313 00:17:16,831 --> 00:17:20,779 -You haven't told me what you're doing. -Miss Gardner, your room is ready. 314 00:17:21,459 --> 00:17:23,001 The simple answer is. . . 315 00:17:23,627 --> 00:17:26,331 . . .prepping Santos for the debate you haven't gotten him. 316 00:17:26,921 --> 00:17:28,795 The existential answer? 317 00:17:29,673 --> 00:17:32,164 It's tricky stuff, Joshua. 318 00:17:39,013 --> 00:17:41,930 I want you at every Hoynes and Russell event for 36 hours. 319 00:17:42,099 --> 00:17:44,803 Obviously, Bob goes to the Russell events. . . 320 00:17:44,976 --> 00:17:46,600 . . .and John the Hoynes. 321 00:17:46,769 --> 00:17:50,219 You know, Bob, John. . . . We're making a serious point here. 322 00:17:50,396 --> 00:17:54,559 We're trying to turn public opinion, so no roughhousing. . . 323 00:17:54,733 --> 00:17:59,310 . . .no tearing down signs, no excessive flapping of the wings. 324 00:17:59,486 --> 00:18:02,237 Don't lie about what you're doing there. Don't heckle. 325 00:18:02,446 --> 00:18:05,945 If you get the chance, you ask humbly and respectfully: 326 00:18:06,116 --> 00:18:09,566 "Are you too chicken to debate the full field?" 327 00:18:10,452 --> 00:18:13,654 On a personal note, thanks for. . . . 328 00:18:14,121 --> 00:18:15,745 You know. 329 00:18:16,415 --> 00:18:19,498 Okay. Let's go out and get them, guys. 330 00:18:19,667 --> 00:18:21,209 No one's accepted our debate. 331 00:18:21,377 --> 00:18:25,373 The Monitor and the Post-Dispatch are editorializing against the Herald debate. 332 00:18:25,546 --> 00:18:27,372 Two lousy editorials? That's it? 333 00:18:27,589 --> 00:18:30,210 We've been calling everyone. The nationals won't bite. 334 00:18:30,383 --> 00:18:32,505 I stopped by our debate site, looks great. 335 00:18:32,718 --> 00:18:34,876 Tell our Potemkin advance team great work. 336 00:18:35,053 --> 00:18:38,421 The second they post those editorials, I need pull quotes for the ad. 337 00:18:38,764 --> 00:18:40,720 Why aren't we putting policy in the ad? 338 00:18:40,890 --> 00:18:43,215 -We got great policy. -We're trying to get media. 339 00:18:43,392 --> 00:18:47,720 Great policy doesn't give goose bumps to bored, 55-year-old segment producers. 340 00:18:47,895 --> 00:18:49,437 -As opposed to--? -Chickens. 341 00:18:49,647 --> 00:18:52,516 -It's a complicated business. -You have no idea. 342 00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:54,896 You're not gonna believe who's on the phone. 343 00:18:55,109 --> 00:18:58,358 I feel terrible making you do this when I'm not even in the debate. 344 00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:02,690 You're not in the Olympics either, doesn't mean you don't do some sit-ups. 345 00:19:02,864 --> 00:19:06,363 You've coached 50 women congressional candidates to debate wins. . . 346 00:19:06,534 --> 00:19:08,988 -. . .so there must be some secret. -There is. 347 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,318 Keep an extra pair of pantyhose in your purse. 348 00:19:11,495 --> 00:19:15,326 After bombing the way I did in Iowa, I'm not gonna rule that out. 349 00:19:15,498 --> 00:19:17,325 Congressman, I looked at the tapes. 350 00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:19,373 You're great. You're quotable. . . 351 00:19:19,543 --> 00:19:21,618 . . .cute enough to be a presidential pinup. 352 00:19:21,794 --> 00:19:23,537 Wait until you see my runway work. 353 00:19:23,754 --> 00:19:25,793 You don't have the presidential voice. 354 00:19:26,006 --> 00:19:28,578 -The presidential voice? -You don't have it. 355 00:19:28,758 --> 00:19:30,465 And it's a time of global peril. . . 356 00:19:30,676 --> 00:19:33,711 . . .and you're sharing the stage with two vice presidents. 357 00:19:33,886 --> 00:19:35,629 Or not. 358 00:19:39,057 --> 00:19:41,179 What do you think of the nationalist gains. . . 359 00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:43,342 . . .in the Russian parliamentary elections? 360 00:19:43,518 --> 00:19:46,968 It ain't the Litchfield City Council, but Russia makes its own choices. 361 00:19:47,146 --> 00:19:48,723 And in a democracy-- 362 00:19:48,939 --> 00:19:50,765 The lamer half of Jay Leno's monologue. 363 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:53,513 You're not a House backbencher trying to get on CNN. 364 00:19:53,692 --> 00:19:56,858 Sobriety, understatement. Let the words carry the authority. 365 00:19:57,028 --> 00:19:59,981 -A presidential voice. -Think filling out a suit. . . 366 00:20:00,155 --> 00:20:02,147 -. . .instead of wearing orange-- -Pantyhose. 367 00:20:02,323 --> 00:20:05,323 I was gonna say neckties, but what the hell. 368 00:20:05,492 --> 00:20:07,401 How's the eye-clicking? 369 00:20:07,577 --> 00:20:09,569 We're still on hosiery. 370 00:20:09,745 --> 00:20:12,366 -I need the congressman for a minute. -Yeah. 371 00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:14,662 Thanks, Amy. 372 00:20:15,166 --> 00:20:16,992 How's the ad? 373 00:20:17,167 --> 00:20:19,538 We'll have something by prime time tomorrow night. 374 00:20:19,710 --> 00:20:21,833 Look, I'm sorry I didn't tell you about Amy. 375 00:20:22,004 --> 00:20:24,576 I just got a call from Hoynes' campaign manager. 376 00:20:24,756 --> 00:20:27,163 -Hoynes wants to meet. -He wants us in the debate? 377 00:20:27,341 --> 00:20:30,543 I can't imagine why, but we're getting some good editorials. 378 00:20:30,718 --> 00:20:32,591 Maybe making more hay than I thought. 379 00:20:32,803 --> 00:20:35,472 -Want me to come? -After your soliloquy at the Herald. . . 380 00:20:35,638 --> 00:20:39,421 -. . .I should take the solo this time. -Okay. 381 00:20:39,766 --> 00:20:43,099 You got a few minutes for debate prep? I know how you feel about me-- 382 00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:44,935 You should get back in there. 383 00:20:50,107 --> 00:20:52,182 Know what I'm finding, being on the trail? 384 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,309 -What's that? -I never stop talking. 385 00:20:54,485 --> 00:20:57,818 No, really, I'm surprised I don't babble like an idiot in the shower. 386 00:20:57,988 --> 00:21:00,692 Fifteen stops a day. Eight speeches. Five interviews. 387 00:21:00,865 --> 00:21:03,319 I could do a good 45 seconds on your overcoat. 388 00:21:03,533 --> 00:21:06,533 -Okay, let's not. -It's a stitch too little, a season too late. 389 00:21:06,702 --> 00:21:09,192 Josh, you can do better. America can do better. 390 00:21:09,371 --> 00:21:12,205 -You wanted to talk about the debate? -I don't. 391 00:21:12,373 --> 00:21:15,373 -Why'd you return the call? -I called you, not the congressman. 392 00:21:15,583 --> 00:21:17,161 You think I wanna tell him no? 393 00:21:17,335 --> 00:21:20,086 You know how this works. They only put me on if I say yes. 394 00:21:20,253 --> 00:21:22,826 You do benefit from a two-man debate. . . 395 00:21:23,005 --> 00:21:25,958 . . .but there are editorials denouncing the Herald's decision. 396 00:21:26,133 --> 00:21:29,049 Public opinion's turning. You're gonna see it at your events. 397 00:21:29,218 --> 00:21:32,800 Well, first of all, Russell's picking up the tab. It's his decision. 398 00:21:32,971 --> 00:21:35,924 And second, the way Russell's hammering me in these ads. . . 399 00:21:36,098 --> 00:21:38,339 . . .I gotta get him up there, one-on-one. 400 00:21:38,558 --> 00:21:40,633 So why did you wanna see me? 401 00:21:41,477 --> 00:21:45,224 I wanna talk about Matt Santos' statement on Pakistan. 402 00:21:46,355 --> 00:21:47,979 You're the only one. 403 00:21:48,648 --> 00:21:50,023 "Free and nuclear-free"? 404 00:21:50,191 --> 00:21:53,476 I used that exact phrase myself at the Merrimack Chamber. 405 00:21:53,652 --> 00:21:56,273 We're working from the same material, let's coordinate. 406 00:21:56,446 --> 00:21:59,018 We don't wanna get caught up in a plagiarism charge. 407 00:21:59,198 --> 00:22:00,905 -What? -Amy's memos. 408 00:22:01,074 --> 00:22:02,698 -Amy? -Amy Gardner. 409 00:22:02,909 --> 00:22:05,114 Her memos on the presidential voice? 410 00:22:05,285 --> 00:22:08,238 That's where I got the line. I assume that's where you got it. 411 00:22:08,412 --> 00:22:11,199 Now, if we're both gonna use them, let's divvy them up. 412 00:22:11,373 --> 00:22:14,871 -She gave you the memos? -"Security as the new women's issue. " 413 00:22:15,042 --> 00:22:18,078 -Pretty smart stuff. -Sir, we're ready for you. 414 00:22:18,253 --> 00:22:21,537 Time's up, Josh. Gotta keep talking. 415 00:22:26,384 --> 00:22:27,877 When Russell was in Congress... 416 00:22:28,051 --> 00:22:31,005 ... Common Cause called him big mining's best friend. 417 00:22:31,179 --> 00:22:33,716 Congress Watch said there isn 't a mining loophole... 418 00:22:33,889 --> 00:22:35,928 ...or giveaway he won 't support. 419 00:22:36,099 --> 00:22:37,509 That's the new Hoynes spot? 420 00:22:37,683 --> 00:22:41,016 -Hoynes approved it, into the camera. -I fought for that in Congress. 421 00:22:41,227 --> 00:22:44,430 If candidates had to look into the camera and approve every ad. . . 422 00:22:44,605 --> 00:22:47,605 . . .it would somehow raise the tone of these campaigns. 423 00:22:47,774 --> 00:22:49,102 It's not working very well. 424 00:22:49,316 --> 00:22:53,894 Candidates just approve at the top so by the time they twist the knife, you forget. 425 00:22:54,112 --> 00:22:56,946 Bob Russell. Good for the Colorado mining industry. 426 00:22:57,114 --> 00:22:59,189 But is he good for New Hampshire? 427 00:22:59,365 --> 00:23:02,282 I'm going back to the hotel for my debate prep. 428 00:23:02,993 --> 00:23:04,866 One advantage of being vice president. . . 429 00:23:05,036 --> 00:23:07,407 . . .aside from the motorcades and the hoopla. . . 430 00:23:07,579 --> 00:23:11,327 . . .is the honor of standing behind the vice-presidential seal. 431 00:23:11,499 --> 00:23:14,203 Tell you what I like about the vice-presidential seal. 432 00:23:14,418 --> 00:23:19,292 If you close your left eye and you squint really hard and you tilt your head. . . . 433 00:23:19,463 --> 00:23:22,131 Here's what's troubling me about our answer on Pakistan. 434 00:23:22,298 --> 00:23:26,793 We're exploiting unverified claims denied by the Pakistani and Nigerian cabinets? 435 00:23:26,968 --> 00:23:29,256 I was gonna say our 60-second answer's like 90. 436 00:23:29,428 --> 00:23:33,092 I hate it when clandestine proliferation networks won't stay on the clock. 437 00:23:33,264 --> 00:23:35,387 -Mom, look. -Oh, my. 438 00:23:35,558 --> 00:23:38,427 --the heart of who we are as a people. But I am committed. . . 439 00:23:38,601 --> 00:23:42,977 -. . .to manufacturing in this country. -You sure that was Advil you gave me? 440 00:23:43,146 --> 00:23:45,553 -That is a large chicken. -That's not the mascot. 441 00:23:45,731 --> 00:23:48,138 -Aren't they the Fighting Wombats? -Warthogs. 442 00:23:48,317 --> 00:23:50,605 -Mr. Vice President. -We magged him. He's clean. 443 00:23:50,777 --> 00:23:52,982 Excuse me, Mr. Vice President. Excuse me. 444 00:23:53,278 --> 00:23:56,611 About the debate. Why are you not willing to have full participation? 445 00:23:56,781 --> 00:23:58,405 -Are you chicken? -I'm going in. 446 00:23:58,616 --> 00:24:03,075 May I ask, sir, why you're not willing? Why are you not--? 447 00:24:04,620 --> 00:24:06,493 -You're from the Santos campaign. -Yes. 448 00:24:06,663 --> 00:24:09,533 Do you realize how pathetic this is? Do your parents know? 449 00:24:09,707 --> 00:24:12,660 Pakistan could be arming Nigeria, a potential Muslim coup. . . 450 00:24:12,834 --> 00:24:14,992 . . .and you're pulling pranks. 451 00:24:15,211 --> 00:24:19,077 If this is democracy, Santos belongs in a fraternity house, not a debate. 452 00:24:19,255 --> 00:24:22,421 Now, go dip your beak in someone else's feed. 453 00:24:25,551 --> 00:24:27,674 Tell me you're not gonna use that. 454 00:24:28,387 --> 00:24:32,715 There are whole generations of Russians who were trained by the KGB. 455 00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:35,427 When the wall fell, they didn't all go open pizzerias. 456 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,557 -That's not to say that-- -No, no, no. 457 00:24:37,727 --> 00:24:39,635 Bad, bad, bad. 458 00:24:39,811 --> 00:24:42,183 If I could pull a lever and drop you, I'd do it. 459 00:24:42,355 --> 00:24:45,557 -What, my analysis isn't right? -Your analysis is fine. 460 00:24:45,732 --> 00:24:49,729 I don't know how to explain. It's not a pop quiz and it's not a talk show. 461 00:24:49,902 --> 00:24:54,609 The leader of the free world has to speak in broad concepts, in value statements. 462 00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:57,449 "I love America. I will lead the world towards liberty. " 463 00:24:57,616 --> 00:24:59,524 Oh, I don't sound pompous enough. 464 00:24:59,742 --> 00:25:02,114 You're commenting on events, not shaping them. 465 00:25:02,327 --> 00:25:04,699 I don't shape them, and it's not the way I think. 466 00:25:04,871 --> 00:25:09,946 The prospect of first-strike capability's gotta change the way you think. 467 00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:12,123 Anything from Hoynes? 468 00:25:13,752 --> 00:25:16,669 Yeah. I need five minutes with Amy. 469 00:25:17,755 --> 00:25:19,712 Take 10. I'm gonna call my wife. 470 00:25:19,881 --> 00:25:23,463 Show Amy how little I shape events. 471 00:25:26,219 --> 00:25:28,425 I'm trying to explain the presidential voice. 472 00:25:28,596 --> 00:25:31,762 The difference between leading the marketplace and catering to it. 473 00:25:31,932 --> 00:25:35,216 The difference between, I don't know, John Lennon and John Davidson. 474 00:25:35,726 --> 00:25:38,216 Sergeant Pepper and the fifth Herman's Hermits album. 475 00:25:38,395 --> 00:25:40,351 -You're working for Hoynes. -I'm not. 476 00:25:40,521 --> 00:25:42,513 You're giving one-liners to two campaigns. 477 00:25:42,689 --> 00:25:44,516 It was a memo. I gave it to all seven. 478 00:25:44,732 --> 00:25:47,851 I suppose your love is a free gift to the Bolshevik brothers too. 479 00:25:48,026 --> 00:25:50,315 Did you see the gender gap in the last election? 480 00:25:50,487 --> 00:25:52,313 Probably not, because there wasn't one. 481 00:25:52,488 --> 00:25:55,523 Yeah, and since chicks really dig plagiarism, this'll help. 482 00:25:55,699 --> 00:25:58,367 Security's the new women's issue. It's why we're losing. 483 00:25:58,534 --> 00:26:01,866 People are scared and Democrats sound like think-tank hair-twirlers. 484 00:26:02,036 --> 00:26:05,985 -So you pick a candidate and help him. -And if that candidate doesn't win? 485 00:26:06,206 --> 00:26:08,328 -Want a warranty? -I want every candidate. . . 486 00:26:08,499 --> 00:26:11,867 -. . .to be able to take the Republicans. -You don't give a damn. 487 00:26:12,043 --> 00:26:14,450 -You want-- -The whole party to be stronger. Right. 488 00:26:14,629 --> 00:26:17,201 We don't open our inner circle to earth mothers. 489 00:26:17,422 --> 00:26:20,043 Who's we? You didn't even know I was coming. 490 00:26:20,258 --> 00:26:22,048 No, but I know you're leaving. 491 00:26:39,688 --> 00:26:43,732 And don't knock Herman's Hermits. It's hard enough getting on the charts. 492 00:26:55,074 --> 00:26:56,568 What happened in here? 493 00:26:56,742 --> 00:27:00,157 Amy practically knocked me over in the lobby. 494 00:27:01,245 --> 00:27:05,076 -She's going back to Washington. -You fired her? 495 00:27:05,415 --> 00:27:09,411 She's been advising the whole field. Hoynes used the same line on Pakistan. 496 00:27:09,584 --> 00:27:12,335 She's brilliant. I can understand how you'd want her. 497 00:27:12,503 --> 00:27:14,329 She's my ex, so you didn't tell me. 498 00:27:14,504 --> 00:27:18,086 -lf you had trusted me for two seconds-- -I knew she was advising everyone. 499 00:27:18,257 --> 00:27:22,088 That's why I didn't tell you. You think I care about your dating life? 500 00:27:23,761 --> 00:27:28,422 Okay. Let's get back to Politics 101. The object is to beat the other guys. 501 00:27:28,598 --> 00:27:32,013 We are all getting beaten on security. It's like these debate rules. 502 00:27:32,184 --> 00:27:35,599 If all of us were better, maybe one of us would finally break through. 503 00:27:35,769 --> 00:27:38,390 And did I just see chickens on CNN up in my hotel room? 504 00:27:38,730 --> 00:27:42,145 This may not be the best time, but we have to get over to the court. 505 00:27:42,357 --> 00:27:46,022 -It closes in an hour. -We are not going to any cou-- Chickens? 506 00:27:46,194 --> 00:27:49,063 I had the lawyers finish the brief. They're waiting. 507 00:27:49,237 --> 00:27:53,779 -Tell them to find an ambulance to chase! -In case you didn't notice, we're in one! 508 00:27:54,074 --> 00:27:56,481 We're hosting a debate that nobody is coming to. . . 509 00:27:56,659 --> 00:27:58,947 . . .with two lousy editorials taking our side? 510 00:27:59,411 --> 00:28:01,617 Why do you keep making me have this argument? 511 00:28:01,788 --> 00:28:04,195 Because it's not the way I wanna do things. 512 00:28:04,373 --> 00:28:06,946 Being in a real debate, like an actual candidate? 513 00:28:07,125 --> 00:28:10,991 Amy's telling me to be more presidential, you want me to act like a Mob attorney! 514 00:28:11,211 --> 00:28:13,536 Here's what Amy won't tell you about the voice: 515 00:28:13,713 --> 00:28:17,579 You have to become president to use it. 516 00:28:24,846 --> 00:28:27,383 He wouldn't let me go to the court. I had the brief. 517 00:28:27,556 --> 00:28:28,931 We were ready to go. 518 00:28:29,099 --> 00:28:33,760 If you end up canceling your alternate debate because of lack of interest. . . 519 00:28:33,936 --> 00:28:36,687 . . .the field shrank to six dwarves and a porcelain donkey. 520 00:28:36,854 --> 00:28:39,179 -Collectible. -You should have told him a case... 521 00:28:39,398 --> 00:28:43,347 -. . .kicks up a media storm. -He has the PR instincts of Idi Amin. 522 00:28:43,526 --> 00:28:45,317 Now we're shut out of a debate. . . 523 00:28:45,486 --> 00:28:48,439 . . .I fired my ex-girlfriend from a job she never had. . . 524 00:28:48,613 --> 00:28:52,194 . . .Santos practically had me batter-dipped and seasoned. . . 525 00:28:52,365 --> 00:28:55,449 . . .when he saw Donna fighting a giant chicken on CNN. 526 00:28:55,618 --> 00:28:57,859 -Talk about dignifying a weak opponent. -Yeah. 527 00:28:58,036 --> 00:29:01,819 You don't engage a chicken. Didn't you teach that girl not to engage a chicken? 528 00:29:01,997 --> 00:29:04,369 Though, I swear, watching the footage. . . 529 00:29:04,541 --> 00:29:07,375 . . .it looks like she's gonna pluck the feathers right off. 530 00:29:07,876 --> 00:29:10,912 -It's the best press we've had all week. -Gotta go. 531 00:29:11,879 --> 00:29:14,370 -Postproduction guys worked all night. -Yeah. 532 00:29:14,548 --> 00:29:16,421 Did you get a cell number for Amy? 533 00:29:16,591 --> 00:29:19,212 Actually, she called and left it for the congressman. . . 534 00:29:19,385 --> 00:29:22,254 . . .but made me promise not to give it to you. 535 00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:25,928 -Hey. -Well, let's see the ad. 536 00:29:28,141 --> 00:29:31,805 Health-care costs are spiraling. That's something we should debate. 537 00:29:31,977 --> 00:29:35,226 Then why has Bob Russell refused to take part in a real debate? 538 00:29:35,813 --> 00:29:39,347 The people of New Hampshire deserve to hear us speak about the issues. 539 00:29:39,524 --> 00:29:41,183 I'm looking forward to the debates. 540 00:29:41,358 --> 00:29:43,564 Why won 't John Hoynes debate all his opponents? 541 00:29:43,735 --> 00:29:45,727 The Concord Monitor calls tomorrow's debate... 542 00:29:45,903 --> 00:29:49,022 ... "an illegal contribution to the Russell and Hoynes campaigns. " 543 00:29:49,281 --> 00:29:51,901 Post-Dispatch says "a subversion of democracy. " 544 00:29:52,116 --> 00:29:54,867 Or maybe they're just chicken. 545 00:30:00,038 --> 00:30:01,865 It's an attack ad. 546 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,324 They shut us out of the debate. We should crawl and thank them? 547 00:30:05,501 --> 00:30:08,335 You expect me to look into a camera and say I approved that. 548 00:30:08,544 --> 00:30:10,832 We were gonna put that at the top. 549 00:30:11,213 --> 00:30:14,546 Thank you all for all of your hard work. 550 00:30:15,424 --> 00:30:17,167 We're not running it. 551 00:30:38,232 --> 00:30:41,600 Congressman, this is your argument. 552 00:30:41,776 --> 00:30:45,109 -People deserve a full and fair debate. -It wasn't what I had in mind. 553 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,851 What did you have in mind? 554 00:30:48,698 --> 00:30:50,986 -I don't know. -Oh, great. 555 00:30:51,158 --> 00:30:52,616 I'll call the editing bay. 556 00:30:52,784 --> 00:30:56,532 We need to overhaul the spot. We have no clue, but get it ready for broadcast. 557 00:30:56,704 --> 00:30:59,573 -It's sketch comedy. -It's fun. It's feisty. 558 00:30:59,789 --> 00:31:01,698 -It'll get us on the news. -It's cheap. 559 00:31:01,916 --> 00:31:04,584 What did you expect? I'm sorry, but nobody else cares. . . 560 00:31:04,751 --> 00:31:06,957 . . .about your Marquess of Queensbury Rules. 561 00:31:07,128 --> 00:31:10,994 I didn't want this to be some crank campaign, swinging wildly at Eden. 562 00:31:11,172 --> 00:31:13,923 Well, guess what. That's what we are. 563 00:31:16,009 --> 00:31:18,546 I like your debate rules, congressman. Honestly, I do. 564 00:31:18,719 --> 00:31:24,222 And I admire your campaign ethics. But we're game players, not rule makers. 565 00:31:24,390 --> 00:31:27,888 And if we walk away from our last chance to make any kind of splash. . . 566 00:31:28,059 --> 00:31:29,802 . . .and this is our last chance. . . 567 00:31:30,186 --> 00:31:35,309 . . .the only rules we're gonna need are for long, lingering games of shuffleboard. 568 00:31:35,481 --> 00:31:37,852 We got a good ad. We got a minute of prime time. . . 569 00:31:38,024 --> 00:31:42,484 . . .on one of the top stations in the state. You don't wanna run it, it's up to you. 570 00:31:58,205 --> 00:32:01,324 -Congressman, do you need some time? -No, it's fine. 571 00:32:01,708 --> 00:32:03,866 Maybe we could run a bit of your stump speech. 572 00:32:04,043 --> 00:32:06,000 Get the footage from C-SPAN. 573 00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:08,292 In less than one hour? 574 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,085 Yeah, probably not. 575 00:32:11,632 --> 00:32:15,545 Say, did you happen to catch the New Jersey Senate debate last week? 576 00:32:15,718 --> 00:32:17,046 No, sir. 577 00:32:17,219 --> 00:32:20,089 Someone asked about the situation in Freedonia. . . 578 00:32:20,263 --> 00:32:23,346 . . .and Barber said that he was studying it. 579 00:32:23,515 --> 00:32:24,925 Freedonia's fake. 580 00:32:25,141 --> 00:32:27,264 It's from a Marx Brothers movie. 581 00:32:27,435 --> 00:32:29,806 And there was no follow-up, no cross-examination. 582 00:32:29,978 --> 00:32:32,468 The bigger story in the papers the next day. . . 583 00:32:32,647 --> 00:32:36,015 . . .was how he slammed his opponent for being too liberal. 584 00:32:38,651 --> 00:32:41,651 You get into this thinking to yourself. . . 585 00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:45,437 . . .that you're gonna play by your own rules. . . 586 00:32:45,614 --> 00:32:49,397 . . .and then, bit by bit, you chip away at them. . . 587 00:32:49,575 --> 00:32:54,035 . . .until you can't even name the game. 588 00:32:57,247 --> 00:33:00,532 You were a history major over at UT, weren't you? 589 00:33:01,334 --> 00:33:03,290 -Yes. -You think there's such a thing. . . 590 00:33:03,502 --> 00:33:05,541 . . .as a presidential voice? 591 00:33:08,422 --> 00:33:12,917 Seemed to me that the president makes the voice, not the other way around. 592 00:33:20,139 --> 00:33:22,629 We're going to WMUR. 593 00:33:22,807 --> 00:33:24,929 To drop off the ad? 594 00:33:27,977 --> 00:33:30,812 -I'm gonna do it live, to camera. -Do what live to camera? 595 00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:34,264 Get a room and a laptop. We'll figure it out when we get there. 596 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,847 -Call the director. We need-- -Room and a laptop. 597 00:33:37,025 --> 00:33:39,101 Right, and call-- 598 00:33:39,277 --> 00:33:42,313 Call anyone else you think you should call. 599 00:33:46,365 --> 00:33:48,441 -Congressman. This way. -Hi. 600 00:33:48,617 --> 00:33:49,945 Hey, this is exciting stuff. 601 00:33:50,118 --> 00:33:53,154 -We love live TV around here. -Yeah, me too. I love it. 602 00:33:53,329 --> 00:33:56,329 Talking about Pakistan? Hard for a House member to do much. 603 00:33:56,498 --> 00:33:59,830 -I don't wanna spoil the surprise. -Forgive the staff. They're jaded. 604 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,166 They hardly look up when the first-tier candidates come through. 605 00:34:03,586 --> 00:34:07,036 Fifteen seconds to live. Stand by to roll VTR. 606 00:34:07,214 --> 00:34:10,416 Stand by, VTR audio. 607 00:34:11,133 --> 00:34:13,919 -Coming live in six, five. . . -And roll VTR. 608 00:34:14,093 --> 00:34:17,627 . . .four, three, two. . . . 609 00:34:18,055 --> 00:34:21,090 Good evening. I'm running for president. 610 00:34:21,265 --> 00:34:24,182 And if you don't know who I am, I wouldn't be surprised. 611 00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:29,054 I've been shut out of tomorrow's debate for suggesting it actually be a debate. . . 612 00:34:29,229 --> 00:34:31,850 . . .and this is the only ad I can afford. 613 00:34:32,023 --> 00:34:35,473 I got in this to improve a broken school system. . . 614 00:34:35,650 --> 00:34:38,057 . . .fix entitlements, because they're going bankrupt. . . 615 00:34:38,277 --> 00:34:40,020 . . .to expand health coverage. 616 00:34:40,195 --> 00:34:43,279 It'll save money if fewer people show up in emergency rooms. 617 00:34:43,448 --> 00:34:48,737 What I've found is that presidential campaigns aren't about these things. 618 00:34:48,910 --> 00:34:52,823 They're about clawing your opponents so long as you don't get tagged for it. 619 00:34:52,996 --> 00:34:55,035 So how about this: 620 00:34:55,414 --> 00:35:00,241 I will never say anything about my opponents, or anything about anything. . . 621 00:35:00,418 --> 00:35:04,545 . . .without saying it myself, right into the camera. 622 00:35:04,713 --> 00:35:08,081 You might not get to hear much of me, but when you do. . . 623 00:35:08,257 --> 00:35:10,712 . . .you'll know I stand by it. 624 00:35:11,217 --> 00:35:15,794 I'm Matt Santos, and you better believe I approved this ad. 625 00:35:29,063 --> 00:35:31,980 The hard part's clearing your throat, really. 626 00:35:36,152 --> 00:35:37,859 Great job. 627 00:35:44,366 --> 00:35:47,034 Yes, sir, we're still taking donations. 628 00:35:47,201 --> 00:35:50,699 Well, I honestly don't know if we could run the ad again. 629 00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:53,705 It wasn't really-- I'm sorry. Could you hold, please? 630 00:35:53,872 --> 00:35:55,995 Hello, Santos for-- 631 00:35:56,166 --> 00:35:59,119 Federal limit's $2000. Could you please hold for a second. 632 00:35:59,335 --> 00:36:03,082 -Hoynes isn't commenting on your ad. -I'm not commenting on his failure to. . . 633 00:36:03,254 --> 00:36:04,629 . . .so tag, he's it. 634 00:36:04,797 --> 00:36:06,456 Are you planning to go on TV more? 635 00:36:06,632 --> 00:36:09,336 I'm trying to get my own game show, Let's Make a Country. 636 00:36:09,509 --> 00:36:11,299 I'll keep you posted. 637 00:36:11,677 --> 00:36:15,175 -I don't understand the strategy. -I wouldn't call it a strategy, per se. 638 00:36:15,346 --> 00:36:18,180 -Obviously, we've talked about it. -Before you wrote the ad. 639 00:36:18,348 --> 00:36:20,340 -Matt Santos wrote the ad. -Come on, Josh. 640 00:36:20,516 --> 00:36:22,639 -We're on deep background here. -He wrote it. 641 00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:25,300 -Off the record, then. -Put me in Witness Protection. 642 00:36:25,478 --> 00:36:26,853 The guy wrote his own ad. 643 00:36:27,021 --> 00:36:30,603 I will never say anything about my opponents, or anything about anything... 644 00:36:30,774 --> 00:36:33,857 ... without saying it myself, right into the camera. 645 00:36:34,068 --> 00:36:38,278 I'm Matt Santos, and you better believe I approved this ad. 646 00:36:38,446 --> 00:36:41,778 It's hard to say whether Congressman Santos ' minute of prime time... 647 00:36:41,948 --> 00:36:43,821 ... will turn his campaign around... 648 00:36:44,033 --> 00:36:46,903 ...but many political observers agree that the unusual ad... 649 00:36:47,077 --> 00:36:50,279 ...run on rival station WMUR, raises the question: 650 00:36:50,454 --> 00:36:54,118 If candidates mean what they say, why don 't they simply say it themselves? 651 00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:59,165 Look, Amy, it's really hard out there. 652 00:36:59,336 --> 00:37:05,917 We got people lobbing grenades at us from all sides, even our friends. 653 00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:08,759 They need to know if you can take it. 654 00:37:09,092 --> 00:37:10,634 Even your friends. 655 00:37:10,802 --> 00:37:14,501 For its part, the Russell campaign says that it stands by all its ads... 656 00:37:14,888 --> 00:37:18,671 ... which is why Bob Russell appears on-screen attesting to its veracity. 657 00:37:18,849 --> 00:37:21,091 -I should be calling columnists. -Don't. 658 00:37:21,268 --> 00:37:23,758 -No, we should be doing spinoff events. -Don't. 659 00:37:23,936 --> 00:37:26,474 -We should be sending out copies of-- -Don't. Stop. 660 00:37:26,647 --> 00:37:29,682 This spins itself. Send copies, they're gonna stop running it. 661 00:37:29,899 --> 00:37:32,519 -So, what do I do? -Sit here. 662 00:37:32,734 --> 00:37:36,067 --voters don 't especially like, and defending a campaign-reform law... 663 00:37:36,237 --> 00:37:38,608 ... that hasn 't done much to clean up campaigns. 664 00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:41,068 For its part-- 665 00:37:56,710 --> 00:38:00,836 What Congressman Santos did tonight, intentionally or not, was put both.... 666 00:38:01,004 --> 00:38:03,957 -What happens now? -Very little. 667 00:38:04,131 --> 00:38:06,373 --defending a campaign-reform law... 668 00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:08,589 ... that hasn 't cleaned up campaigns. 669 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,795 Is it cynical that candidates excluded from the main debate. . . 670 00:38:11,970 --> 00:38:13,713 . . .have now accepted your offer? 671 00:38:13,888 --> 00:38:17,470 I don't call it cynical. Yesterday, this looked like a vanity exercise. 672 00:38:17,641 --> 00:38:19,348 I might not have accepted it myself. 673 00:38:19,517 --> 00:38:22,352 MSNBC's announced they're running the debates back-to-back. 674 00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:25,057 And I'd watch them, but I'm busy that night. 675 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,682 A disaster. We're not getting coverage of Politics and Eggs. . . 676 00:38:28,857 --> 00:38:31,692 -. . .of "get tough on Pakistan"-- -Press loves an underdog. 677 00:38:31,901 --> 00:38:35,067 -How many points behind this ad? -None. It's all free media. 678 00:38:35,237 --> 00:38:36,779 Can we ramp up our media buy? 679 00:38:36,946 --> 00:38:39,234 Pull the negatives, replace them with positives. 680 00:38:39,406 --> 00:38:40,948 That sounds like a retreat. 681 00:38:41,116 --> 00:38:43,820 -Press will smell blood. -It's a multi-candidate field. 682 00:38:43,993 --> 00:38:46,697 If the press loves him, and we're rolling in the mud-- 683 00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:50,036 We're leading in the polls. How did we end up in a crouch? 684 00:38:50,206 --> 00:38:52,530 I'm not changing my ads because of a stunt. 685 00:38:52,749 --> 00:38:55,666 -You saw the debate editorials. -Thank God we kept him out. 686 00:38:55,835 --> 00:39:00,330 He'd have shown up in a powdered wig, quoting from the Federalist Papers. 687 00:39:00,505 --> 00:39:02,580 I disagree. 688 00:39:03,549 --> 00:39:05,375 I don't agree, Mr. Vice President. 689 00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:08,883 Maybe it is a stunt, but if it is, we invited it. 690 00:39:09,052 --> 00:39:13,678 By trying to ride above the herd, treating everybody else as if they were a herd. 691 00:39:14,223 --> 00:39:17,673 You have to go to Santos' debate. Then Hoynes would have to go. 692 00:39:17,850 --> 00:39:20,554 Then we're letting the chips fall on you, on your ideas. 693 00:39:20,727 --> 00:39:23,134 Not on some Machiavellian maneuver. 694 00:39:24,522 --> 00:39:25,932 And what's the alternative? 695 00:39:26,148 --> 00:39:27,974 Alienating Pakistan, which cuts off. . . 696 00:39:28,149 --> 00:39:30,853 . . .our only decent source of intelligence in that region. 697 00:39:31,026 --> 00:39:33,433 I actually agree with John Hoynes on this one. 698 00:39:33,612 --> 00:39:38,319 We have to keep that part of the world free, prosperous and also nuclear-free. 699 00:39:38,532 --> 00:39:40,654 -Chest-beating's not gonna do it. -Thanks. 700 00:39:40,825 --> 00:39:42,616 -That's great. -Thanks, guys. 701 00:39:45,703 --> 00:39:49,451 -Where have you been? -I got tied up. 702 00:39:49,831 --> 00:39:52,238 I'm fine if we wanna bring Amy back. 703 00:39:53,542 --> 00:39:55,700 Any news? 704 00:39:58,337 --> 00:40:01,254 Hoynes turned us down for the debate again. 705 00:40:01,423 --> 00:40:03,830 He must have been scared off by what he saw on TV. 706 00:40:04,008 --> 00:40:06,794 At this point, even raw opportunism would suggest that-- 707 00:40:06,969 --> 00:40:08,510 Bob Russell for the congressman. 708 00:40:10,554 --> 00:40:14,136 Mr. Vice President. Yes. 709 00:40:14,307 --> 00:40:18,138 And after Vice President Russell decided to skip today's Herald debate... 710 00:40:18,310 --> 00:40:21,974 ...and join Congressman Santos, the Hoynes campaign had no choice... 711 00:40:22,146 --> 00:40:26,356 ...but to do so as well. One thing's for sure: the debate you're about to see... 712 00:40:26,524 --> 00:40:30,022 ...isn 't the one John Hoynes and Bob Russell wanted just two days-- 713 00:40:30,193 --> 00:40:32,185 We had a tougher line on means testing. 714 00:40:32,361 --> 00:40:35,196 You're gonna wanna save that for the cross-examination. 715 00:40:35,364 --> 00:40:37,272 Right. 716 00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:40,610 --are sure to make this seven-way debate a must-see. 717 00:40:40,784 --> 00:40:45,112 Have you ever actually closed one eye, tilted your head and looked at the seal? 718 00:40:45,287 --> 00:40:48,157 I hate to admit it, but yes. 719 00:40:48,331 --> 00:40:52,743 -Really just a blurry-Iooking seal, isn't it? -I'm thinking about closing both eyes. 720 00:40:52,918 --> 00:40:54,910 What was it you said about frontrunners? 721 00:40:55,086 --> 00:40:57,790 -Everything to lose, nothing to win? -And tip the dealer. 722 00:40:58,171 --> 00:41:01,125 -Wanna grab dinner? -Who else am I gonna have dinner with? 723 00:41:01,340 --> 00:41:03,546 --the Hoynes campaign had to do so as well. 724 00:41:03,884 --> 00:41:07,133 Testing. One, two, three. Testing. 725 00:41:10,930 --> 00:41:13,385 Thank you for being part of this very special... 726 00:41:13,557 --> 00:41:16,641 ...New Hampshire Democratic primary debate. 727 00:41:16,935 --> 00:41:21,512 I don't know if I've served you very well over the past few days. 728 00:41:21,688 --> 00:41:23,976 What are you talking about? 729 00:41:24,148 --> 00:41:27,065 The ad was your idea. So was this debate. 730 00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:29,273 I never thought we'd be here. 731 00:41:29,444 --> 00:41:32,278 It's a miracle I ordered podiums. 732 00:41:34,197 --> 00:41:38,988 Truth is, I can't think of one thing I've done to make this your campaign. . . 733 00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:43,025 . . .and not some cookie-cutter Beltway hack-a-thon. 734 00:41:43,203 --> 00:41:45,326 Well, I can think of one. 735 00:41:45,497 --> 00:41:48,662 -You put me in it. -Gentlemen, if you'll take your places. 736 00:42:02,175 --> 00:42:05,673 Can I buy you an ice-cream cone when this is over? 737 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:09,718 My flight's in an hour. 738 00:42:09,931 --> 00:42:12,421 You're not gonna stay and watch? 739 00:42:12,933 --> 00:42:17,558 Could never stand to see candidates flub my lines, anyway. 740 00:42:18,478 --> 00:42:20,803 Please take your seats. 741 00:42:23,315 --> 00:42:26,315 Welcome. Thank you for joining us today. . . 742 00:42:26,484 --> 00:42:31,145 . . .for the final debate of the New Hampshire Democratic primary. 743 00:42:35,032 --> 00:42:39,609 For the next 90 minutes, our panel will ask questions of the candidates. . . 744 00:42:39,785 --> 00:42:43,864 . . .and all candidates will answer, and all candidates must answer. . . 745 00:42:44,038 --> 00:42:46,160 . . .before the debate is to proceed. 746 00:42:46,331 --> 00:42:48,822 Then each candidate will be given the opportunity. . . 747 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,325 . . .to cross-examine her or his opponent. 748 00:42:52,305 --> 00:42:58,719 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org